5d3 vs. 7D2 as general use body
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Why not to buy her another 5ds r w/ Sigma 180mm f/2.8 APO OS Macro if she likes flowers?
I agree with several of the other posters that the 7D2 is really a specialised sports camera. (Fast frame rate and excessively detailed AF options - if you don't use those, how about the 70D?)
If cost is an issue, choose the 6D, otherwise the 5D3 - both will give better quality images, at the expense of the reach of the crop cameras.
For my photography, I have always preferred telephoto type subjects, rather than wide-angle. That's why I have been reluctant to move to full-frame. If that is similar to your position then the crop camera may be preferred, otherwise for equivalent price I would choose the 6D over the 7D2 for a new purchase, for quality.
As always, the lens makes the real difference.
If cost is an issue, choose the 6D, otherwise the 5D3 - both will give better quality images, at the expense of the reach of the crop cameras.
For my photography, I have always preferred telephoto type subjects, rather than wide-angle. That's why I have been reluctant to move to full-frame. If that is similar to your position then the crop camera may be preferred, otherwise for equivalent price I would choose the 6D over the 7D2 for a new purchase, for quality.
As always, the lens makes the real difference.
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If going full frame, I would say get a 6D. The simplicity of the camera, light weight, compactness, and cost over a 5DIII may be an advantage for general photography and the savings would go a long way in purchasing a 100 macro lens.
Or, possibly a 70D instead of a 7DII for the reasons I mention above. The 60 macro lens would be even more compact but when I used the 100 macro with a 40D, I much preferred using it over the 50 compact macro for narrowing the angle of the background when doing macro photography.
I would not rule out an SL1, which may be much preferred to carry around after being used to a point and shoot. The cost of that body is very reasonable.
I would not rule out the importance of compacteness and portability as opposed to a larger and more sophisticated body. It should be her decision.
Or, possibly a 70D instead of a 7DII for the reasons I mention above. The 60 macro lens would be even more compact but when I used the 100 macro with a 40D, I much preferred using it over the 50 compact macro for narrowing the angle of the background when doing macro photography.
I would not rule out an SL1, which may be much preferred to carry around after being used to a point and shoot. The cost of that body is very reasonable.
I would not rule out the importance of compacteness and portability as opposed to a larger and more sophisticated body. It should be her decision.
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OK, with the various holidays, the solstice, lousy daylight, and people scurrying everywhere trying to complete personal and financial tasks before year end...I figured I should at least make and announce my decision. Before I begin, I want to thank all of you for taking the time, and lending your expertise, to help. I'd also like to thank the-digital-picture, whose staff was kind enough to offer advice as well. I'd also like to thank..... ;D
OK, I returned the 7D2, and purchased a 5D3. The best deal included a printer that I don't need or want, but comes with a hard to refuse price of -$350, after rebate. (I use Epson printers with ImagePrint software and have no desire to change).
Why the 5D3? I concluded that it was the best all around body. The 5DS-R requires a great deal of additional thought to be an all-around. The 6D lacks some of the (possibly unnecessary) bells and whistles of the 5D3 but when my wife learns the 5D3, she will be able to use any top of the line Canon with a minimal extra learning curve, and I think the 5d3 is good enough that it will be useful for years even if it is late in the cycle. And, well, I tend to have a lot of those bodies around. Frankly, I find it interesting that the "learning curve" these days has far less to do with basic photographic principals (shutter speed, aperture, ISO, subject), than it does with mastering hardware and especially software. Nevertheless, it's where we are. I also think that the lenses I have on hand, including extras, are well suited to the 5D3 (and less suited to the 5DS-R). Of course, I have that the battery grip for the 5D3 is the same as the 5DS-R's, or that one RRS bracket for camera and grip will be enough.
Why not the 7D2? Well, I think it is best suited as a sports and wildlife camera where speed and reach are paramount concerns. I also think that if I were starting from scratch, it could be a great all-around camera, because there is good glass available for less money, if you have a cropped sensor. Let's face it, the 7D2 is 2/3 the price (a cropped price camera too?), and currently a damned good value. It has great auto-focus, but the 5D-3 is no slouch. My wife likes plants, but this includes gardens and landscapes, which might benefit from wider lenses. She also shoots general people shots, inside shots, and even some low light. In the end, I just don't see the 7D2 as the ideal general purpose camera.
I appreciate all of the concern about camera weight and carry-ability. It certainly is a valid concern (sometimes, as much for me when a pinched nerve acts up). Since my wife does not read camera forums, I can tell you here that she has been doing some really nice stuff with the little Fujifilm x-20 that she keeps with her. I have also gotten her a Fujifilm X-30, which replaces a terrible optical viewfinder with a decent EVF-so she can always have a camera with her. It's an awesome little point and shoot.
So, thanks again. Perhaps she'll get a chance to put some of her stuff on line post-holidays and you can see how this works out. And, who knows, depending on what happens with the 1DX line, there may be a place sometime for the 7D2 in the stable. But for now, there's no room at the inn for the 7D2. May you all have a scintillating Solstice, and a Happy New Year.
OK, I returned the 7D2, and purchased a 5D3. The best deal included a printer that I don't need or want, but comes with a hard to refuse price of -$350, after rebate. (I use Epson printers with ImagePrint software and have no desire to change).
Why the 5D3? I concluded that it was the best all around body. The 5DS-R requires a great deal of additional thought to be an all-around. The 6D lacks some of the (possibly unnecessary) bells and whistles of the 5D3 but when my wife learns the 5D3, she will be able to use any top of the line Canon with a minimal extra learning curve, and I think the 5d3 is good enough that it will be useful for years even if it is late in the cycle. And, well, I tend to have a lot of those bodies around. Frankly, I find it interesting that the "learning curve" these days has far less to do with basic photographic principals (shutter speed, aperture, ISO, subject), than it does with mastering hardware and especially software. Nevertheless, it's where we are. I also think that the lenses I have on hand, including extras, are well suited to the 5D3 (and less suited to the 5DS-R). Of course, I have that the battery grip for the 5D3 is the same as the 5DS-R's, or that one RRS bracket for camera and grip will be enough.
Why not the 7D2? Well, I think it is best suited as a sports and wildlife camera where speed and reach are paramount concerns. I also think that if I were starting from scratch, it could be a great all-around camera, because there is good glass available for less money, if you have a cropped sensor. Let's face it, the 7D2 is 2/3 the price (a cropped price camera too?), and currently a damned good value. It has great auto-focus, but the 5D-3 is no slouch. My wife likes plants, but this includes gardens and landscapes, which might benefit from wider lenses. She also shoots general people shots, inside shots, and even some low light. In the end, I just don't see the 7D2 as the ideal general purpose camera.
I appreciate all of the concern about camera weight and carry-ability. It certainly is a valid concern (sometimes, as much for me when a pinched nerve acts up). Since my wife does not read camera forums, I can tell you here that she has been doing some really nice stuff with the little Fujifilm x-20 that she keeps with her. I have also gotten her a Fujifilm X-30, which replaces a terrible optical viewfinder with a decent EVF-so she can always have a camera with her. It's an awesome little point and shoot.
So, thanks again. Perhaps she'll get a chance to put some of her stuff on line post-holidays and you can see how this works out. And, who knows, depending on what happens with the 1DX line, there may be a place sometime for the 7D2 in the stable. But for now, there's no room at the inn for the 7D2. May you all have a scintillating Solstice, and a Happy New Year.
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Thanks for the update. As King of the Crop World, the 7D2 is certainly a capable body for general use photography. But, FF is addicting. It tends to make us pixel picky about details. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if your stable becomes home to a 1Dx in the future.
Oh, you are absolutely right about learning curve. These bodies are imaging computers and the more comfortable one is with the user interface and features of the body, the more one can exploit them -- and get out of a mess from accidentally changing the wrong setting.
Enjoy the 5D3!
Oh, you are absolutely right about learning curve. These bodies are imaging computers and the more comfortable one is with the user interface and features of the body, the more one can exploit them -- and get out of a mess from accidentally changing the wrong setting.
Enjoy the 5D3!
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Rupp1 said:
Since you already have a D1 X, why not wait another month and see what the replacement model looks like. You might want to upgrade. I'd not buy a new 5D III right now unless I really needed a camera, a 7D MK II is pretty safe, but you may really have buyers remorse when you see the new D1X replacement.
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FTb-n said:
Mt Spokane Photography said:
Mt Spokane, I'm sure the replacement model will look good, and might even be great, but I'll be OK. After having owned all but one 1 Series Canon since the 1Ds, I have done my share of upgrading to new models. I have also done my share of waiting for the first bugs, the first firmware updates, and the surprises-not to mention the non-availability of advice. For this reason, I am comfortable not trying to grab one of the first models of anything (the 5DS-R, well, it may well turn out that I should have waited, but good so far). I guess that I'll either wait, or I won't, but one body now won't make a difference. I suspect that all of these bodies are more than good enough for now. Besides, the 5D3 is for my wife, the camera is all around awesome, and she just wants to take pictures, not compare gear (which you think I could have learned by now). She will have access to my experience with similar cameras, books by experts in their second editions, and access to great advice on-line.
FT, thank you for the thought. How I wish I could leave it at that. I wanted to answer Spokane first but BAD NEWS: the saga, however will drag on for at least a couple of days
:'( Guess what, the 5DIII was effectively DOA. Being a cynical paranoid, I sat with my wife, opened the box and removed just the body and eyepiece. I put in a charged battery, cards which I formatted, and put the 24-105 f4 IS II on the camera. "Sorry, but the camera cannot communicate with the lens, clean the contacts". Well, the contacts are fine. I tried two other lenses which also had "communication" issues. All the lenses worked fine on the 5DS-r. I called CPS thinking that perhaps the new batteries LP-E6N are not backwards compatible. CPS says that they are, and that at CPS they use them interchangeably. CPS also confirmed DOA. At 10:00 AM EST Sunday Morning, I'll be on the horn to B&H customer service. Since Canon was kind enough to offer to pay me $350 to take a printer I didn't want, I'm hoping that B&H will just accept the return on the camera and send another. The printer is heavy. B&H's service has always been awesome, so I expect that they will make the exchange as easy and painless as possible. Still, no 5DIII for mywife for holiday parties. This is the first time that I have ever had a problem with a bad Canon product, and B&H is great too; this is just really lousy frikkin' luck. I needed to bitch. I'm sure that when a working camera gets here, we will be very happy. AARRRGH!
PS- Yes, I checked the firmware and it is the most current version. ;D
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Sunday–just before noon. B&H customer service helpful as always. Just need to return the camera body, not the 50 pounds of "special package". I have every reason to hope that I'll have a working 5D3 for my spouse within a few days, and anticipate excellent handling from B&H. Then, I can report to you on the success of the gift, and complete the simple (hopefully) paperwork for the printer rebate.
Note: I don't make a habit of gushing over retailers, or product providers, but I really do want to give an extra shout out to B&H. They have provided me with excellent service for over 20 years.
Note: I don't make a habit of gushing over retailers, or product providers, but I really do want to give an extra shout out to B&H. They have provided me with excellent service for over 20 years.
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I would love to have the 5D iii, but as most of my photography is macro, much of it at ground level, I am using the 70D because the moveable LCD is so helpful. Is there any likelihood of this type of screen appearing on a future version of the 5D (or even the 6D) ?
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Thank you, Snapper, for reminding me that I promised an update:
5DIII arrived, functions perfectly. My wife is using the camera during the day (although the weather has now returned to its usual state of total suck), and reading the manual after dark. Thanks to everyone again, and thanks to B&H.
5DIII arrived, functions perfectly. My wife is using the camera during the day (although the weather has now returned to its usual state of total suck), and reading the manual after dark. Thanks to everyone again, and thanks to B&H.
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