5DS-R DR test on DPReview
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I like the compositions and the colors but find them a touch too saturated and many of the images are a bit too contrasty (also a bit too local-contrasty) for printed display in anything but ideal lighting. Even electronic display looks a bit too contrasty but it's your style so carry on. It obviously appeals to many.Sporgon said:
SoNikon performance is obviously not required for this kind of end result.
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dilbert said:
You and I seem to have different definitions for the term "market leader." What you describe here I might call "technology leader."
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/market-leader.asp
"A company that has the largest market share in an industry, and which can use its dominance to affect the competitive landscape and direction the market takes."
Technical advantages can allow a company to become market leader, but they are not the same thing.
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dilbert said:
Since "IQ" is a totally made up term that has no standards except for how any individual chooses to define it for himself or herself, I suppose this statement can be "true" for Mr. Dilbert. Yet at the same time it can be "False" for anyone else.
I suppose in his world he and his dog may "know" this. But, apparently that world is very, very tiny because there seem to be many more people who find that Canon meets their standards of "IQ" better than Nikon, Sony or any other brand.
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sanj said:
Actually, in the long run the "best" technology usually does fail. There has been quite a bit of research on this very topic and generally speaking, in the marketplace "good enough" technology displaces "best" technology. Betamax is only one example of that.
There are multiple reasons for this, some (greatly simplified) are:
The incremental cost of moving from "good enough" to "best" is very high. Some companies succeed by offering the "best" to a very small niche market, but there are many more that fail because they miscalculate the demand for the "best."
Mass marketers (like Canon and Nikon) need to target their products to the bulk of the market, which means balancing price with a host of other criteria and features. They cannot price themselves out of the market.
Most consumers don't want the "best" (Or at least, they don't want it bad enough to pay for it.) CDs don't produce the "best" music, but it was good enough. MP3 isn't as good as CDs, but it is good enough. There are a handful of audiophiles who will spend large sums of money to get the "best" but Apple doesn't cater to them because they don't represent a large enough market.
The demand for quality is price-sensitive. Yeah, I'm sure I could hire someone to completely design and hand-build my ideal car, but not at a price I would be willing to pay for it. If the choice is between a perfect product that you can't afford to buy and an imperfect product that is affordable, no one will pick the unaffordable product.
There are always trade-offs. In some respects, Direct Current was a better technology than Alternating Current. But the disadvantages ultimately outweighed the advantages. Similarly, the internal combustion engine was not the best technology, but it's advantages outweighed its disadvantages and, on balance, the market found it to be "good enough." This whole silly and interminable debate over Dynamic Range always ignores the tradeoffs. The small (and they are very, very small) differences in Dynamic Range among all camera manufacturers are concentrated at the low end of the ISO range. For me personally, Canon sensors are more than "good enough" because I need and want improved high ISO performance for my work.
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Aglet said:
Care to share an example of a photo which you believe the performance of a sony sensor in a nikon body was required to produce the end result? It would be even better if you have side-by-side shots from a SoNikon, a non-SoNikon, and a Canon, showing conclusively that the SoNikon was required.
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I think this is really important: all the major camera brands make trade-offs, and people tend to dwell on whatever stands out as imperfect for their particular style of photography.unfocused said:
I don't think it's silly to want to want more DR and reduced shadow noise: those are legitimate interests for particular circumstances. What is silly is that some refuse to see Canon's sensor choice as a pure business decision. In business, if a particular product change does not have a net positive effect on profit then there is no reason to make that change. It's really that simple, and I don't understand why so many take personal offense at Canon's business choices.
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3kramd5 said:
Gary, Sanj, Edward, 3kramd5: many thanks for your comments.
The reason I posted the link to my site and the reason I defend Canon 'DR' or 'IQ' is because there are literally thousands of people who visit this site. In fact as I type this there are 1849 visitors right now. This is a huge number and dwarfs many other sites. Take Luminous Landscape for instance; it's lucky to have 150 at any one time.
I would think that the vast majority visiting are hobbyist who use Canon. Of course the fact that the site is so popular makes it a real target for those trying to peach the gospel of Sonikon IQ and in my opinion the constant barrage of derogatory comments needs balancing. In the vast majority of situations I cannot see any difference between the end result shot on Canon or Sonikon. To see the difference I have to set up a specific EV range and even then I wouldn't want to use the resulting data anyway. I have found that in practice the difference between 11.6 and 13.8 stops is wildly exaggerated on the internet.
If Canon were to supply a free filmware that gave my 5DII and 6D the same DR as the Exmor I might get around to downloading it - eventually - as long as it didn't effect highlight headroom, because I still think Canon is better here.
Do I want improvement ? Yes, but it is going to have to be more of a practical difference than there is now before I'd be interested in spending money to get it.
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