5DS scores at DXO **now posted**

[asmundma]

Just saw this from our good friend Tony;
http://northrup.photo/canon-5ds-r-dxomark-scores-why-you-shouldnt-care/

And I just read the comments.. and came across this:

Tony Northrup July 14, 2015 at 11:47 am


"The focusing of the a7R II definitely won’t be the same–at least with the beta versions, you can’t select the autofocus point while using adapted lenses…

Let that sink in. During a portrait, the camera might decide to focus on the nose or ear, and not the near eye, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Without being able to select the focusing point, adapted lenses are good only for the most casual snapshots or when manual focusing."

Makes the camera a total non starter for me - I like my glass, and while I do covet a mirrorless Sony, I think this emphasizes to me that it will be an addition, not a replacement, in my bag - and with a Sony lens.

If true, that really renders all the comments about AF speed improvements with 3rd party (e.g. Canon) lenses moot. But a) it's with a prerelease version and b) it's TN, so let's wait and see.

This is most likely not true, as it currently works on my A7s and metabones adapter with a Canon 70-200 2.8
Why should they take it away ?

 

[asmundma]

Give us the raw files for download and we will tell you ..... ;D

 

[privatebydesign]

1st Nikon (maybe)
2nd Nikon
3rd Canon

 

[benperrin]

Hi Eldar,
It looks very nice. Is there any need for pushing more than this in real world use. I also noticed some kinda of orange color caste while pushing shadow slider on dxo optics. How do you adjust color casts?
Using DPP, I am able to brighten shadows by adjusting mid tones in gamma adjustment graph by -2 stops. Is it same as pushing shadow slider? DPP sliders can only go from -5 to +5 instead of -100 to +100.

Thanks

I often use this method to correct colour casts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09XC9WGTLyc

Basically just adding the opposite colour back in on a new layer using the colour blend mode and something awesome called 'Blend If'. If you've never used blend if before it's one of the best features in photoshop.

I forgot to add that I made an action for this long ago so it's a rather quick process.

 

[3kramd5]

1st Nikon (maybe)
2nd Nikon
3rd Canon

I'd go Canon, Canon, Sony. The last one has a smoother look to it which may be from greater downsampling or pre-cooked NR, but *shrug*

 

[benperrin]

I'd go Canon, Canon, Sony. The last one has a smoother look to it which may be from greater downsampling or pre-cooked NR, but *shrug*

Yeah that's my guess but I can't be sure.

 

[R1-7D]

Just saw this from our good friend Tony;
http://northrup.photo/canon-5ds-r-dxomark-scores-why-you-shouldnt-care/

My mind just exploded. Everything he said made sense, and it was a reasonable position.

Tony Northrup has been kidnapped. I'll alert the authorities.

- A

Not kidnapped; he's the same TN, as always. I quoted Neuro and got back a defence of DxO:

http://northrup.photo/canon-5ds-r-dxomark-scores-why-you-shouldnt-care/#comment-313

I'm debating collecting all the blatant examples crappy/non-sensical DxO scores and posting them to further my point, but I have stuff to do tonight. Maybe when I have more time later on. Even if I do, however, I doubt I'd change his mind. I just hope some people out there have the sense to look at both sides of the coin before taking what DxO says as gospel.

 

[Dylan777]

Just saw this from our good friend Tony;
http://northrup.photo/canon-5ds-r-dxomark-scores-why-you-shouldnt-care/

And I just read the comments.. and came across this:

Tony Northrup July 14, 2015 at 11:47 am

"The focusing of the a7R II definitely won’t be the same–at least with the beta versions, you can’t select the autofocus point while using adapted lenses…

Let that sink in. During a portrait, the camera might decide to focus on the nose or ear, and not the near eye, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Without being able to select the focusing point, adapted lenses are good only for the most casual snapshots or when manual focusing."

Makes the camera a total non starter for me - I like my glass, and while I do covet a mirrorless Sony, I think this emphasizes to me that it will be an addition, not a replacement, in my bag - and with a Sony lens.

If true, that really renders all the comments about AF speed improvements with 3rd party (e.g. Canon) lenses moot. But a) it's with a prerelease version and b) it's TN, so let's wait and see.

Agree with Neuro. We should wait for production releases.

Besides, Tony Northrup was wrong about Fuji mirrorless systems in the pass.

 

[bmwzimmer]

TN's Fuji review was not a mistake. It was accurate and based off the latest firmware that was available at time of review.

 

[Aglet]

1st Nikon (maybe)
2nd Nikon
3rd Canon

agreed, there's more color noise in the 3rd sample, as I'd expect from a Canon CMOS sensor, but I don't normally use PNG, not sure how it responds to low levels.
edit: there's also a significant overall difference in saturation &-or white balance so that's gonna muddy things up to the point of making the reverse true but I'll stick with my first guesstimate.

 

[benperrin]

1st Nikon (maybe)
2nd Nikon
3rd Canon

agreed, there's more color noise in the 3rd sample, as I'd expect from a Canon CMOS sensor, but I don't normally use PNG, not sure how it responds to low levels.

Guys it's Sony Exmor vs Canon not Nikon vs Canon. Just FYI.

 

[caMARYnon]

Exmor (green)
Exmor (green, more details in shadows - 36Mpx)
Canon (red, less details 22Mpx)

 

[jd7]

Another vote for:
Exmor
Exmor
Canon

When do we get the answer, Sporgon?!

 

[jd7]

This is a bit of fun, so here are two shots, one on the exmor and one on the 6D, both at 100 ISO this time (because I took both these myself!).

The first image is shot on either the exmor or Canon. In each case the shot was under exposed to preserve the highlights in the clouds, so there was nothing blown. Each was then raised two thirds of a stop in raw before conversion. This time I have converted straight to png to avoid the posterization seen in the other examples.

So, which is which ? Both have been raised two thirds stop. Images two and three are 200% crops this time, so you can really get to see that dreadful noise in the Canon image.

OK, I'll play again ...

Canon
Canon
Exmor

 

[caMARYnon]

Exmor-exmor-canon

 

[CaptureWhatYouSee]

exmor (not sure)
canon
exmor - more detail

 

[Eldar]

???
Exmor
Canon

 

[zim]

Canon
Exmor
Canon

 

[benperrin]

So are you going to put us out of our misery already? I think you've proven your point about the differences between the cameras.

 

[3kramd5]

Canon
Exmor
Canon

Me too, because I was entirely wrong last time, so I'm taking my initial guess and switching it