A while back there was mention of a faster than normal replacement for the 5DSR. Is there any new info out there? Is it likely the "high end mirrorless" body will be the replacement? I am still trying to hold out on upgrading my 6D (60k shots and some hiccups recently) since the 5DIV and 6DII aren't super compelling.
5DSR II?
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Nothing but this same question has been posted for a while. Why would a 5D MK IV with more MP be compelling? Canon does not make huge changes from model to model, so the next one will be predictable. Even a high end mirrorless will probably be a 6D MK II without the mirror.
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I think j-nord is just being hopeful. There are a lot of hopefuls out there in the Canon world right now.
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It's a fair question. If you'd looked through the forum, it's been asked a few times this year. The only thing the 5Ds II is likely to bring that the 5D IV doesn't have is more pixels. Also less buffer and lower frame rate. I assume the resolution is what's keeping you from the IV?
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j-nord said:
One reason for the speculation was that Canon seemed to be implementing its dual pixel ADC on sensor technology pretty quickly, so some thought that the SDSR might get an upgrade to the new technology. If Canon scaled up the APS-C dual pixel 24mp sensor to full frame, that would work out to a dual pixel 62 mp full frame sensor that could be used in a 5DSR II. Pure speculation, so far as I know.
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IglooEater said:
I realize it's a fair question, and I know that question has been asked before.
j-nord's post indicates that he's hopeful Canon's next full-frame camera will not be a disappointment, and/or that he's hopeful it will come out sooner than expected.
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The Supplanter said:
Sorry, I meant to address the OP directly; I didn't mean to imply you thought otherwise.
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The reports on experimental high density sensors on APC-H could indicate a 70MP dual RAW FF camera in the future... 5Ds2 or 1DXs? When? When is enough enough? The lenses would have to resolve too... Would such a system have a viable market?
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Thank you for the replies. I'm sorry its been asked relatively recently, Ive been busy and inactive on here for a while, just lurking occasionally. I am definitely hopeful that a 5DSR II would have everything I'm looking for.
A 5DSRII would hopefully have more than just a m-pix benefit over a 5DIV. I'm optimistic that it would also have a flippy screen like the 6DII and no anti-alias filter. I'd prefer these features over the slight fps and buffer advantage of the 5DIV (Im assuming the MKII would improve over the previous in these regards too).
I do most of my shooting when hiking or traveling and I shoot mostly landscape and wildlife (often birds). Right now the options of 5DSR, 5DIV and 6DII all have pretty big trade offs, none quite as all round as I'd prefer, a tough choice.
A 5DSRII would hopefully have more than just a m-pix benefit over a 5DIV. I'm optimistic that it would also have a flippy screen like the 6DII and no anti-alias filter. I'd prefer these features over the slight fps and buffer advantage of the 5DIV (Im assuming the MKII would improve over the previous in these regards too).
I do most of my shooting when hiking or traveling and I shoot mostly landscape and wildlife (often birds). Right now the options of 5DSR, 5DIV and 6DII all have pretty big trade offs, none quite as all round as I'd prefer, a tough choice.
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It is as likely as the silly rumors about 6DII being a mirrorless body...j-nord said:
I believe 5DMkIV would make for a very nice upgrade of 6D.
Apart from that I would too like to see a ... normal (=DSLR) replacement of 5DsR assuming the sensor would be significantly improved. Having said that the 5DsR's sensor is already pretty good. I get excellent results in less than 1600 iso and very decent ones up to 2000 iso.
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If they can figure out how to get a FF sensor using the CMOS tech from the 80D sensor without it being too slow they could have an easy winner here. 60 megapixels may not sound like a huge jump from 50, but the increased dynamic range would be a winner.
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I believe this is what they will do. However, I would rather have a 5DsR II with no increase in megapixels and a heavy bump on:jolyonralph said:
1. Its already very good sensor (like using the 5DmkIV technology).
2. Buffer space.
3. FPS.
That's it!
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From what I understand, an increase in fps could certainly be possible if the image went from 14 bits to 12 bits. This is, after all, the trick that Sony use.
Does anyone have any information on the visible effects on image quality? I am predicting that Canon would get flak for compromising image quality but the few comparisons I have seen show little to no visible effect on web pages.
Does anyone have any information on the visible effects on image quality? I am predicting that Canon would get flak for compromising image quality but the few comparisons I have seen show little to no visible effect on web pages.
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I expect that the next generation will:
1) Share the same basic body design as the 5DIV;
2) Share the same basic sensor as the expected 7DIII, upscaled to full-frame;
3) Again offer a version with and a version without an anti-aliasing filter; and
4) Have on-chip ADC.
Given the amount of time that will have passed between the introduction of the 80D and the 7DIII, I expect the 7DIII to have a new, slightly higher megapixel sensor than the 80D and that the 5Ds series will also reflect that bump in megapixels. (Possibly 28mp for the 7DIII and 71mp for the 5Ds).
By giving the 7DIII a new sensor, Canon can return to the practice of introducing the newest sensor in the highest level body and then pushing it downward to the rest of the APS-C family over time.
I don't see any radical changes for the 5Ds, such as mirrorless or flip screen. I think Canon prefers to keep the body style as close to the 5DIV as possible in order to maximize manufacturing efficiency.
1) Share the same basic body design as the 5DIV;
2) Share the same basic sensor as the expected 7DIII, upscaled to full-frame;
3) Again offer a version with and a version without an anti-aliasing filter; and
4) Have on-chip ADC.
Given the amount of time that will have passed between the introduction of the 80D and the 7DIII, I expect the 7DIII to have a new, slightly higher megapixel sensor than the 80D and that the 5Ds series will also reflect that bump in megapixels. (Possibly 28mp for the 7DIII and 71mp for the 5Ds).
By giving the 7DIII a new sensor, Canon can return to the practice of introducing the newest sensor in the highest level body and then pushing it downward to the rest of the APS-C family over time.
I don't see any radical changes for the 5Ds, such as mirrorless or flip screen. I think Canon prefers to keep the body style as close to the 5DIV as possible in order to maximize manufacturing efficiency.
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if they only used 80D / 5D IV sensor tech in 5D II, please. Thank you very much!
what would you say if your 5DsR II pictures were 15% sharper when viewed on large screen at 1:1 magnification or printed large?
this is roughly the difference beween -/+ 7 AFMA units out of tune lens and the one perfectly AFMA adjusted...
Or, say if you compare already very good prime lens wide open and the one stopped down by 2 stops? that is how much sharper the 80D and 5D IV sensor is at pixel level. The resolution of that 50-60Mb new tech sensor will be mind boggling.
what would you say if your 5DsR II pictures were 15% sharper when viewed on large screen at 1:1 magnification or printed large?
this is roughly the difference beween -/+ 7 AFMA units out of tune lens and the one perfectly AFMA adjusted...
Or, say if you compare already very good prime lens wide open and the one stopped down by 2 stops? that is how much sharper the 80D and 5D IV sensor is at pixel level. The resolution of that 50-60Mb new tech sensor will be mind boggling.
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I am quite pleased with the picture quality of the 5DSR. Since I use a medium contrast import-profile in Adobe Lightroom, I can control the noise quite good in the lifted shadows. Compared to the Mark 3 I had before, the picture quality is already incredible.
For me, improving further on that front would be Prio 1 and making the camera faster in handling. Dual CFast cards, or Dual SD UHS II cards would be welcome. Wifi option and GPS build in also a plus. The rumour that came and went of the D850 having a hybrid viewfinder (with peaking ability) would be huge plus for manual lenses.
MP count is good and I would not go any further than whats in the 5DSR already. Better DN in lower ISOs and higher workable ISO range to compensate for higher shutter speeds is also welcome.
Done. Instant buy.
For me, improving further on that front would be Prio 1 and making the camera faster in handling. Dual CFast cards, or Dual SD UHS II cards would be welcome. Wifi option and GPS build in also a plus. The rumour that came and went of the D850 having a hybrid viewfinder (with peaking ability) would be huge plus for manual lenses.
MP count is good and I would not go any further than whats in the 5DSR already. Better DN in lower ISOs and higher workable ISO range to compensate for higher shutter speeds is also welcome.
Done. Instant buy.
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