60mm Macro lens equivalent for Full Frame

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Does anyone know of a good macro lens that would be the equivalent of a 60mm but for full frame? I shoot 4k video with the 1dx2. Which crops the the image about 40% I believe. So my 100mm macro lens is just too tight for alot of my subjects. It used to be fine using the full frame of a 5d, but this crop makes it tough for medium sized subjects.

Alot of people use the 60mm and 100mm for use with a cropped sensor. But I never had the ability to do that with a full frame. And would be nice to be able to have that flexiblity.

I have tried to use the 16-35mm F4L with a 1.4x teleconvertor. But the image quality isn't great. I use this for shooting underwater subjects so I have other possible limitations as well.

Interested to here what people suggest. Thanks in advance!
-Dustin
 
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If I recall correctly, there are a host of 1:1 macro lenses at/around 90-100mm FF and a number of 1:2 macro lenses around 50mm.

But, as you can see here (https://goo.gl/pEhZf5), you only have two choices today with an EF mount lens (three if you count the 1980s EF 50mm f/2.5 Compact Macro, which you can find outside the US I think). All three of those lenses are 1:2 magnification.

The EF-S 60mm Macro was (as I understood) just 'short mounted' 100mm prime, wasn't it? i.e. the 60mm was borne not out of any novelty -- it just represented what it took to hand the classic 1:1 100mm macro experience to crop users. That's the way it's been for a very long time. If memory serves, I want to say Zeiss (ages ago) nailed the 100mm design and everyone has eventually cloned or offered something like it. Not sure who started the 1:2 macro 50 primes, though.

I've never seen 1:1 magnification at 50mm in FF, but that could change soon. Canon has put out two APS-C macro lenses (presumably for the food/travel/lifestyle Instagram crowd) in 28mm @ 1.2:1 and 35mm @ 1:1, which are in the 50mm FF FOV neighborhood. So it 100% possible to do.

So potentially, all those annoying folks who bustedout their SLRs to share their creme brulee, tiramisu, etc. on IG may end up creating a photography movement that gets us a 1:1 macro at a shorter FL for FF. :D

- A
 
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Either of the Canon 100mm F2.8 L IS or non L lenses on full frame are the direct equivalents of the 60mm F2.8 Macro with a 1.6 crop sensor. The Sigma and Tamron 90/105 mm lenses will do a very similar job as well.

P.S. A used Canon 100 F2.8 Macro (non L) is pretty cheap these days and an awfully nice lens! Good for portraits and landscape too.
 
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And where's my head? Canon has a very nice 0.7x (or 1:1.4 if you prefer) macro mode at 70mm FF with the EF 24-70 f/4L IS that no one seems to hype.

It's perfect for hikes/travel and you only want to bring one lens. For informal macro work, 'drive-by' quick handheld stuff for the odd critter or flower you come across, etc. it's wonderful.

Upsides: it's full frame, sharp, AF works at macro distances, FTM override, has hybrid IS for handheld macro work, and it's in the neighborhood of your 60mm FF ask.

Downsides: Not quite 1:1, working distance is small (though I believe would be true of any < 100mm macro approaching 1:1 mag) and it lacks some Canon macro creature comforts -- there are no focus range limiters and I'm not sure how conveniently you can attach macro speedlites to the front element (which is 77mm, larger than most standard macro lenses).

Downsides specific to your underwater need: It's a zoom that needs to fully extend out to 70mm to get to the macro mode (it doesn't change length once in that mode). Further, it does not seamlessly switch to from standard lens to macro just with the AF distance -- there is a dedicated physical switch on the lens barrel that toggles between standard zoom use and macro use. That might be problematic for you, but you can lock this lens in the macro mode and effectively turn it into a dedicated 70mm macro before it goes into whatever housing you are using.

If you are dead set on FF macro right now, that lens might be a close compromise you can live with.

- A
 

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ahsanford said:
And where's my head? Canon has a very nice 0.7x (or 1:1.4 if you prefer) macro mode at 70mm FF with the EF 24-70 f/4L IS that no one seems to hype.

It's perfect for hikes/travel and you only want to bring one lens. For informal macro work, 'drive-by' quick handheld stuff for the odd critter or flower you come across, etc. it's wonderful.
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My favorite walkabout lens!
 
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AJ said:
Sigma makes a 70/2.8 macro (now discontinued it seems) and Tamron has its 90/2.8. I'm not aware of any focal lengths in between.
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That Sigma is very sharp, long discontinued in Canon mount and very difficult to find. While it does autofocus, it is very noisy and iffy.

However, the same lens is available in Nikon mount that is much more readily available (but still discontinued and obsolete), and it is possible to use Nikon lenses on a Canon camera.
 
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Mantadude said:
Does anyone know of a good macro lens that would be the equivalent of a 60mm but for full frame? I shoot 4k video with the 1dx2. Which crops the the image about 40% I believe. So my 100mm macro lens is just too tight for alot of my subjects. It used to be fine using the full frame of a 5d, but this crop makes it tough for medium sized subjects.

Alot of people use the 60mm and 100mm for use with a cropped sensor. But I never had the ability to do that with a full frame. And would be nice to be able to have that flexiblity.

I have tried to use the 16-35mm F4L with a 1.4x teleconvertor. But the image quality isn't great. I use this for shooting underwater subjects so I have other possible limitations as well.

Interested to here what people suggest. Thanks in advance!
-Dustin
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The Sigma 70mm macro- Canon EF mount will be quite difficult to find. Nikon mount versions are relatively common in comparison. This lens is regarded as one of the best macro lenses made.

Canon 50mm Compact Macro (requires "life size converter" for 1:1). The life size converter works with other Canon lenses too.

Nikon 55mm f/2.8 AIS macro, requires PK-13 adapter for 1:1, also regarded as an extremely good lens. Still available new.
 
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I have the Sigma 50 F2.8 macro lens. It is a fine macro lens and goes to 1:1, but it does have a gear drive and the lens extends when close. I have not used this for video, but for general use and macro to 1:1. It is out of production right now, but they can be found in Canon mounts.
 
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A bit baffled by some of the suggestions here! The OP asked for an equivalent of the 60mm Macro (on APSC) for full frame. Therefore the 90 to 105 mm Macros lenses from Canon/Sigma/Tamron are what they need.
 
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johnf3f said:
A bit baffled by some of the suggestions here! The OP asked for an equivalent of the 60mm Macro (on APSC) for full frame. Therefore the 90 to 105 mm Macros lenses from Canon/Sigma/Tamron are what they need.
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I was baffled by the question, so maybe people interpreted it in different ways. He seems to have ruled out 100mm and a zoom that includes 35 mm, which would take it the other way.
 
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johnf3f said:
A bit baffled by some of the suggestions here! The OP asked for an equivalent of the 60mm Macro (on APSC) for full frame. Therefore the 90 to 105 mm Macros lenses from Canon/Sigma/Tamron are what they need.
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Seems to be a pretty straightforward question: Does anyone know of a good macro lens that would be the equivalent of a 60mm but for full frame? I shoot 4k video with the 1dx2. Which crops the the image about 40% I believe. So my 100mm macro lens is just too tight for alot of my subjects. It used to be fine using the full frame of a 5d, but this crop makes it tough for medium sized subjects.

The OP is looking for a "full frame" macro lens that is less than 100mm.
 
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The "for full frame" is part of what confuses me. He seems to be shooting with a full-frame camera that doesn't use the full frame for video.

The description makes it sound like he wants a 60mm macro, unless there is some inverse square that I'm missing. Maybe that's what most answers assume.
 
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danski0224 said:
Yes, the "full frame" camera he is using only uses part of the sensor for 4k.
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That raises a general question for me: Is there somewhere in camera specs or in a discussion here or elsewhere that deals with how different cameras use their sensors or parts thereof to produce video? Are there models that use the whole sensor and scale accordingly and other models that use the exact number of pixels required and ignore the rest of the sensor? And in each case, how does that affect the "equivalent" focal length of the lens? How would each approach affect the quality of the video?

I don't mean to hijack the thread, and would be happy if someone just points me in the direction to find the answer. And the issue is basic to the original question being asked.
 
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