6D Mark II speculation...

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What could the specs be for the 6D2?

One way to speculate is to base it off of previous trends and behavior by Canon. I love the 6D, but Canon neutered it to protect the 5D3. That will continue to the case.

The 6D line is supposed to be the entry level FF for Canon. Some say it's going up market. Perhaps, but how much can it go up without hurting its own sales? The current 6D was over $2K at release. If it goes higher, who will want to spend that much and not go all the way to the 5D4? Those who can, will just get the 5D4, those who can't just won't buy a 6D2 at all.


I think it will stay in the same price range.

What about no 6D2 at all? I doubt it. Canon's lineup will then consist of several consumer grade crop cameras to a huge jump to a pro-grade body, crop sensor 7D2 at $1,800, then to another jump to 5DS and 5D4 cameras running over $3,300.


Let's look at the past:

The 6D is in many ways similar to the 5D2, but with a better sensor. Almost the same AF, resolution, speed, and one card slot. 6D is a little better overall though. However, it was the equal in sensor IQ to the 5D3.


If this pattern continues, the 6D2 should be similar to the 5D3 in most ways, but with a better sensor likely the same as the 5D4. Only difference would be one card slot, and they couldn't possibly give it the 61 point AF system. The 61 point system is just too good, and whatever the 5D4 has, it will NOT be leaps and bounds better. Figure, Canon wanted to protect the 5D3 to the degree that they gave the 6D 11 lousy points with only 1 cross type. They'll do the same to protect the potential 5D4 market who doesn't care about video. And don't say it was cost cutting measure. There are lower cost crop cameras with better AF from Canon!


Autofocus: Better than 11 points, inferior to the 61 point system. If I had to guess, they'll go lower than higher. 19 points. Something that will yield the same let-down, deflating, unimpressed feeling in everyone - making many long for a 5D4 instead. No intelligent tracking.

Articulating touch screen. This is an 'up market' feature LOL. Adds cost to the camera right?

Better sensor with similar MP (24 or less). Like the previous generation, Canon is OK with it being as good as the 5D series on low-light and DR. This makes the non-high megapixel still shooters happy.

1080 video that is slightly better than 5D3. Absolutely no 4K. No dual pixel.

One card slot - Canon's way of deterring non-video shooting pros from saving money by skipping the 5D4. Likely an SD card too. Canon says that is what consumers mostly use. True, but they're doing it more to deter pros who like the speed and reliability of CF and who have a collection of CF, not because they really care to make it more appealing to consumers. Whomever drops over $2K on a body, isn't going to gripe about the few dollars more for CF.

No more than 6 fps. 5 is more likely.


The only thing in my view that can cause pressure to improve those specs would be competition from Nikon, but that is unlikely because Canon didn't care that the D600 had several better specs than the 6D.

People are already lining up the D750 to the 5D3, and that is embarrassing for Canon, regardless that the 5D3 is 3 years old and the D750 is new. The D750 is a lower tier camera, and at lower tier price. The 5D4 will have to be better than it in all areas. That leaves the 6D2 to sorta compete with it, but again - Canon seems to care more about the 6D not competing with their own cameras than with competing with Nikon.

D750 has great autofocus - reviews say as good as 810 and the 810's is a match for the 5D3. For the 6D2 to match that, it would also need the 61 point system - no way because of the 5D4 which is probably getting the 65 point system.

D750 is 6.5 fps. We don't know what the 5D4 is going to have, but if it is a modest increase, it will be 7, if it is proportional increase like from the mark 2 to the mark 3, then it should be 8. Either way, a 6.5 fps 6D2 is too close.
 
I think that much of that will come true. The 6D when released was close in spec and price to the 5D2 at its discounted final sell off price. 6D2 will borrow much from the 5d3 once the new 5D 4 and S range has settled down

The only things that may tempt me to upgrade from 6D to 6D2 would be a touchscreen and dual card slots. Otherwise the money is better spent on lenses or lighting.
 
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Good thread! :)

As i posted earlier, I personally hope they ditch the metal alloy in the body in favour of something lighter like polycarbonate or carbon fibre, and improve the weather sealing. A ultra light, affordable landscape beast with minimal frills. For hiking landscape photographers I would argue that grams is the most important specification, right after file quality. ISO 25 or less with no DR punishment would be awesome too.
 
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Fotofanten said:
Good thread! :)

As i posted earlier, I personally hope they ditch the metal alloy in the body in favour of something lighter like polycarbonate or carbon fibre, and improve the weather sealing. A ultra light, affordable landscape beast with minimal frills. For hiking landscape photographers I would argue that grams is the most important specification, right after file quality. ISO 25 or less with no DR punishment would be awesome too.

Yes! Canon would be very wise to make a Rebel sized and weight FF camera for people who just want something compact but with high image quality. I would buy it for sure. Even the 6D is much heavier and stronger than it needs to be. The A7 series is a good start, but EVF and poor battery life can be annoying. I hate the idea of using battery power just to look through the lens. It defeats the whole point when you have to carry 10 batteries for a long hiking trip.
 
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K said:
Autofocus: Better than 11 points, inferior to the 61 point system. If I had to guess, they'll go lower than higher. 19 points.

I don't see why people are so obsessed with the number of af points for a camera like the 6d - it's isn't and won't be made for tracking. And unless your screen is plastered with af points you have to do a bit of focus & recompose anyway. I'd rather have 11 full cross points than a higher number on the spec sheet.

K said:
The only thing in my view that can cause pressure to improve those specs would be competition from Nikon, but that is unlikely because Canon didn't care that the D600 had several better specs than the 6D.

Indeed, basically even a 6d2 with minor improved specs will continue to sell itself as it's the "cheapest" Canon ff version - just a bit better af system will make many people upgrade. Canon marketing just has to arbitrarily decide what features to add or cripple and then attach a price tag to it. I don't see a 6d2 going anywhere near "pro" 5d3 territory.
 
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Marsu42 said:
I don't see why people are so obsessed with the number of af points for a camera like the 6d - it's isn't and won't be made for tracking. And unless your screen is plastered with af points you have to do a bit of focus & recompose anyway. I'd rather have 11 full cross points than a higher number on the spec sheet.
With -3 ev focusing already, Canon could just make all the 11 af points cross-type and call it the 6DMk2. They don't even need to change the body, just the label, lol.

I seriously hoped they tweak the gps' battery drain though.
 
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K said:
The 6D is in many ways similar to the 5D2, but with a better sensor. Almost the same AF, resolution, speed, and one card slot. 6D is a little better overall though. However, it was the equal in sensor IQ to the 5D3.

If this pattern continues, the 6D2 should be similar to the 5D3 in most ways, but with a better sensor likely the same as the 5D4. Only difference would be one card slot, and they couldn't possibly give it the 61 point AF system. The 61 point system is just too good, and whatever the 5D4 has, it will NOT be leaps and bounds better.

I agree with much of what you say.

The way I read things, Canon's marketers have identified the market's price point for an entry-level FF body. So I don't think that the price will change much.

The 6DII will inherit a lot of what the 5DIII offered. Rumours are that the 6D didn't perform as well in the market as expected, so the feature set will need to increase somewhat to realise expectations and draw buyers up the product chain.

I wouldn't write anything off from the spec sheet just yet, until we know what the 5D Mark IV is going to be all about. If it's just an incremental evolution of the 5DIII then perhaps the 6DII will be a more modest product.

However, if the 5D Mark IV introduces some new kick-arse sensor and improved AF magic then its value proposition may be so far above anything that currently exists that the 6DII will have more latitude. (There is much more development potential in AF than just the number of points available.)

It's just hard to know how the 1D and 5D (non-S) product lines are going to develop this year, and everything rolls downhill from there.

In any case, they're all going to be great cameras, well suited to their respective niches.
 
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Here's what I think:

The sensor will be around 22-24mp, we'll only see a modest increase as Canon is creating 2 new high mp cameras. I think the sensor will be Canon made and not Sony. They would want to get it out for as cheap as possible since it is their 'affordable' full frame model, so it makes sense that they'll use their own sensors and I would be surprised if it didn't have dual pixel tech.

For the AF I'd be happy with 11 all cross types points and I think we might see something like this or an increase to around 17. Whilst I don't disagree completely with the notion that the 6dmkiii could replace the 5dmkiii [like the 6d replaced the 5dmkii] I really can't see them putting anything near a 61 point AF in it.... but I'd be happy to be proved wrong!

FPS, my bet is 5 whilst hoping for 6. IMO, anything over 6 is unrealistic. The 5dmkiv will probably be placed around 8 to protect 1d series, so expecting 7 or 8 on the 6dmkii is not going to happen.

Wifi and GPs I think are dead certs, as the 6d already has them.

Touch and swivel screen: Touch screen makes a lot of sense, especially if the sensor is dual pixel. I don't know why it's not on the 7dmkii but i'd expect to see it on a 6dmkii. I'm 50/50 on the swivel screen, Canon has yet to place one on their upper end bodies so I'm not sure if we'll see one on the 6dmkii. However they may include one to keep pace with the Nikon D750 and i'd love to see one included.
 
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siegsAR said:
I seriously hoped they tweak the gps' battery drain though.

I'm surprised you're having a problem with that - imho the gps battery usage is surprisingly low, though I don't know how fast update intervals are as I'm using mostly using 1 minute. With Magic Lantern, you can even have gps auto-disabled on camera off so you don't get a dead camera the next day if you forgot it to do it yourself.
 
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The 6D is marketed towards advanced amateurs and high-end consumer photographers as a travel/landscape camera. It is not intended for serious professional work and as a result lacks certain features like a-wide-spread-of -cross-type-AF-points, dual memory-card slots, 100% viewfinder coverage ...etc.

I expect the 6D mark-II would cater to the same market segment and would be designed for the same intended purpose. Here is how I think it will be limited:
  • 98% viewfinder coverage
  • maximum frame rate
  • durability
  • single card slot
  • narrower spread of the AF array
  • Fewer dual cross-type AF points
  • Video codecs
  • Video resolutions

I would like to see 6D Mark-II - Casual/Landscape/Travel (Target price $2,200)
High Resolution DPAF CMOS sensor
Maximum Resolution: 39.4 Megapixels (7692 x 5124)
Native ISO range: 64-25,600
Expanded ISO range: 32-102,400
Continuous shooting speed: 3.5fps (rated for 100,000 actuations)
Autofocus Array: 41pt AF (all cross-type)
Centre AF point is high precision dual-cross-type with f/2.8 lenses
Memory Card: SD-U3/U1 compatible
Articulating touch LCD
Wifi 802.11ac
GPS + Compass
2560x1440 @24/25/30p
1920x1080 @24/25/30/50/60p
1280x720 @24/25/30/50/60/100/120p
 
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I am basically happy with the 6D but equally would like to see the following:-

Biggest wish - MORE DR at least two stops

19 point AF as the 7D had

Smaller body BUT still weather sealed to the same degree

7D type toggle (its quicker & easier to use)

100% viewfinder (no viewfinder should be less than 100% for a camera in its price bracket)

Don't lose either the Wi-Fi or GPS

Otherwise happy.
 
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jeffa4444 said:
I am basically happy with the 6D but equally would like to see the following:-

Biggest wish - MORE DR at least two stops

19 point AF as the 7D had

Smaller body BUT still weather sealed to the same degree

7D type toggle (its quicker & easier to use)

100% viewfinder (no viewfinder should be less than 100% for a camera in its price bracket)

Don't lose either the Wi-Fi or GPS

Otherwise happy.

I would like to see lighter weight, swivel screen, and dual SD card slots. Many people use it for wedding work and for my landscapes, I would want dual cards for duplicating my image files when I spend a lot of time and money to travel somewhere. Having an SD card go out would be devastating.

Nikon sure is making hard to stay with Canon as they are offering just about everything we want in the D750, which in some time will be very acceptable in price. The color output from the D750 is incredible too. Much better than any previous Nikon of late, IMO.
 
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K said:
I don't see a 6d2 going anywhere near "pro" 5d3 territory.

Me too, except for the high ISO performance :)

emag said:
6Da anyone?

You have my money!

siegsAR said:
With -3 ev focusing already, Canon could just make all the 11 af points cross-type and call it the 6DMk2. They don't even need to change the body, just the label, lol.

...or what about -4 EV AF (just the center one) 8)

Ruined said:
I'm going with:
Current 6D, but add 5D3 AF.

So you want a less sensitive AF than the 6D (5DIII has only -2EV if I'm not wrong), or do you mean the number of AF-points?

PhotographyFirst said:
Yes! Canon would be very wise to make a Rebel sized and weight FF camera for people who just want something compact but with high image quality. I would buy it for sure. Even the 6D is much heavier and stronger than it needs to be.

This is so true. One can only dream that something like this happens in the near future...
Does anyone expect a 6D mark II to be smaller in some way?
 
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emag said:
6Da anyone?
Only if it's backed by a sensor equal or better than the A7s. If not, then why bother?

Also, if they are going the xx Da route they should make the camera mirrorless. What is the point of a mirror when you use the camera for astrophotography? Your subject is dark and the camera will be at an awkward angle. A smaller body means less windage. And a lighter body means easier balancing on a telescope. Mirrorless seems a more logical design approach for a xx Da camera.
 
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Crosswind said:
PhotographyFirst said:
Yes! Canon would be very wise to make a Rebel sized and weight FF camera for people who just want something compact but with high image quality. I would buy it for sure. Even the 6D is much heavier and stronger than it needs to be.

This is so true. One can only dream that something like this happens in the near future...
Does anyone expect a 6D mark II to be smaller in some way?

I must say I use my 6D a lot with my 35 f/2 and 50 f/1,4 or 16-35. Bigger lenses go on my 5D MK3
But still, I hope they keep the same size for the 6D MK2 and not smaller. Not for my hands and not to mess up the balance with the lenses
 
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candyman said:
Crosswind said:
PhotographyFirst said:
Yes! Canon would be very wise to make a Rebel sized and weight FF camera for people who just want something compact but with high image quality. I would buy it for sure. Even the 6D is much heavier and stronger than it needs to be.

This is so true. One can only dream that something like this happens in the near future...
Does anyone expect a 6D mark II to be smaller in some way?

I must say I use my 6D a lot with my 35 f/2 and 50 f/1,4 or 16-35. Bigger lenses go on my 5D MK3
But still, I hope they keep the same size for the 6D MK2 and not smaller. Not for my hands and not to mess up the balance with the lenses

I agree with your size argument. It doesnt have to be any smaller. But there are lots of weight savings to be had if they replace the metal build with something lighter. For me personally, the appeal of mirrorless lies solely in the potential weigth reduction. For comparison:

Canon 6D + 16-35 f/4L IS : 1385 grams
Sony A7R + Sony FE 16-35mm f/4 ZA OSS: 983 grams
 
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