7D full frame

[ecka]

The reason - greedy marketing. They just want to sell a tiny bit better camera each year ;D

Have you evidence it is greedy marketing? The 7D has been on the market for 3 years so perhaps not.

I have soo many ideas on how it could have been a much better camera without too much effort or investments. The fact that I don't see it happening could mean two things - I'm a super genius (very unlikely ), or the reason I mentioned earlier. Why don't Canon include new features in each firmware update? Just look at the Magic Lantern, it is possible.
Mode dial lock ... dedicated rate button ... seriously? DoF preview lock button would be a better feature .

 

[pwp]

the 7DMk2 will be no more than APS-H, more likely APS-C. You want a FF 7D you will buy a 5D3

I think the 7DII will be a 10fps crop (1.6 or 1.3). It may not be called the 7DII if it is a 1.3 (but what is in the name)

APS-C for sure. The 7D has been a huge seller and plenty of those buyers have sunk $$ into EF-S glass. Do you really think Canon would put all these people offside?

Bring on the 10fps APS-C with improved high iso specs and that sweet 61 point AF.

PW

 

[foobar]

Canon already released a full-frame 7D. It's called the 5D Mark III.

No, it's called 1dx if you want to leave the price tag out of the equation since it's got 18mp and fast fps like the 7d. Or, if you really see the 5d3 as the 7d successor, Canon is even beyond their "double the price" policy this time.

I didn't say "successor", just "full-frame version".
And no, I don't see the 1D-X having anything to do with either of them, since it's a completely different beast alltogether.

As for the 7D2, I think it will be an evolutionary upgrade (bringing some of the 5D3's features the original 7D didn't have back to the line) and, of course, will still be a high-framerate APS-C camera.

 

[briansquibb]

The reason - greedy marketing. They just want to sell a tiny bit better camera each year ;D

Have you evidence it is greedy marketing? The 7D has been on the market for 3 years so perhaps not.

I have soo many ideas on how it could have been a much better camera without too much effort or investments. The fact that I don't see it happening could mean two things - I'm a super genius (very unlikely ), or the reason I mentioned earlier. Why don't Canon include new features in each firmware update? Just look at the Magic Lantern, it is possible.
Mode dial lock ... dedicated rate button ... seriously? DoF preview lock button would be a better feature .

The 7D is still a prosumer body so headline gimicks have a higher priority than fundemental improvements.

Magic Lantern on the 7D - is that an anouncement because not according to the web site ....

 

[AvTvM]

Keep the rebel line with a rebel to fill xxd, kill the xxd line, release 7d 2.0 as a crop at reasonable price (price is key with the xxd dead), new ff entry, and a mirrorless full frame body for $799. Ok, $799 is a dream.

+1 .. YES to everything!

 

[lol]

Has Canon ever changed sensor size within a specific model line? I don't recall so... So if they make a body called 7D mk2, it will be APS-C. That doesn't rule out a 7D like body with bigger sensor in it, but it would be called something else. If the last CR on 7D2 is correct, then it will be an APS-C 5D3 with a smidge more fps.

 

[ecka]

The reason - greedy marketing. They just want to sell a tiny bit better camera each year ;D

Have you evidence it is greedy marketing? The 7D has been on the market for 3 years so perhaps not.

I have soo many ideas on how it could have been a much better camera without too much effort or investments. The fact that I don't see it happening could mean two things - I'm a super genius (very unlikely ), or the reason I mentioned earlier. Why don't Canon include new features in each firmware update? Just look at the Magic Lantern, it is possible.
Mode dial lock ... dedicated rate button ... seriously? DoF preview lock button would be a better feature .

The 7D is still a prosumer body so headline gimicks have a higher priority than fundemental improvements.

Magic Lantern on the 7D - is that an anouncement because not according to the web site ....

I'm not talking about 7D specifically, but the new Canon DSLR improvements in general (60D, 1D X, 5D3).
For example, I'm using 5D2 and the Set button has no function in image replay/preview mode. Canon could make it a "fast focus check" button which would just switch between normal and 100% view, or even "rate" (no need for a dedicated button).

 

[Marsu42]

For example, I'm using 5D2 and the Set button has no function in image replay/preview mode. Canon could make it a "fast focus check" button which would just switch between normal and 100% view.

Doesn't ml do this on the 5d2, too? On the 60d you can set the + button to instantly zoom to 100% (I'm always using it), and if you ask nicely they'll put it on the set button, too.

 

[AprilForever]

NO.

Thanks, I got a good laugh.

Using the 7D name on something that's not APS-C at this point would be a PR disaster; if you suggested it to Canon you'd get laughed out of the boardroom. By which I mean fired.

If they do introduce something *like* the 7D that's full frame, it would have to be named something else.

Like 5D Mark III.

Wisely said! I have come to the conclusion that those requesting a full frame 7D (a camera with the 7D's performance, except full frame) either want an inexpensive FF camera, or want something like the 1DX. The 1DX costs nearly 7,000. If the 7D were an inexpensive full frame, it would probably shoot at about 2 FPS. The 5d MK II is an inexpensive FF. And it STILL retails for more than the 7D, with a lot less performance, other than a larger sensor.

APS-H will still make the 7D prices skyrocket. AND will still kill the lenses. Those who ask for a FF 7D need to seriously figure out what they are really looking for. In some cases, I think they are merely trolling.

Those interested in the 7D as APS-H are looking at things more realistically than the FF crowd, but still, APS-H kills what the 7D is all about.

The 7D is an APS-C camera. And that's how we love it!

 

[briansquibb]

The 5d MK II is an inexpensive FF. And it STILL retails for more than the 7D, with a lot less performance, other than a larger sensor.

+ low light focusing
+ high iso
+ better video

In the only thing that the 7D beats it at is AF and fps

You pay your money and take your choice. Been there, done both - 7D is now a 1D4, 5dII is now a 1DS3

 

[facedodge]

My guess

Improved 18MP APS-C Sensor... one extra stop of usable ISO at Raw, two at Jpeg
Dynamic Range probably no meaningful change
Dual Digit 5
10FPS
headphone jack
improved weather sealing
5D3 AF

$2000+

 

[colin1984]

So as I said;

Here is the german link:

http://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Demnaechst-Einsteiger-Fullframe-VDSLRs-von-Nikon----9910.html

and here is the text translated with google translation:

Soon beginners VDSLRs full frame Nikon & Canon?

[09:48 Thu, May 24, 2012 [d] by rob ]
The rumor mill has done a great bubbling and ready as it seems both Canon full frame Nikon DSLRs before, which complete the full-frame segment toward the bottom. At Canon, it would be a Canon EOS 7D, Nikon MKII and a Nikon D600. Looking at the current product portfolio of the two DSLR market leader, makes an entry level full-frame DSLR actually sense, especially since the starting price for the full frame now a whopping 3.000, - € is.

Price in regions between 1500-2000 € could be an entry in the full-frame segment well imagine. The crucial question for us is whether the video capabilities of higher-quality full-frame DSLRs are 1:1 also be found in the entry-level or whether the user is inclined VDSLR with reduced functions have to live video.

This abundant cost-driving equipment features exist in the current full-frame DSLRs, which could be omitted from the entry-without the video capability approach must: magnesium housing, sensor resolution, frame rate (photo) to AF sensors and dust-/watersealing only a pair of call ... it probably will eventually amount to a marketing decision whether you want to leave the video segment as more significant focus of the USP or not - we are very excited to see how they will decide this.

A possible, though perhaps less likely scenario would be the reversal of the previous segmentation by bringing out a full-frame DSLR, which is intended primarily for video, and only secondarily for photography. Ok, Canon has the EOS 1 DC (4K) brought out but what about 2K and what with Nikon? Especially the latter buzz around current rumors that it might be a start to introduce into the video camera range - a Nikon video-cam with interchangeable lenses, which would be just as consistent at least focused on video as the Panasonic GH2 would impress us in any case difficult and once again is: 2012 - an exciting year for the large area sensor cam.

 

[nicku]

i Have read the most replies on this topic....conclusion: do you realy think that canon will just kill the highly successful APS-H sensor???

Maybe the 7D2 will be APS-C but i am certain we will hear again from the APS-H sensor in the near future...

 

[briansquibb]

i Have read the most replies on this topic....conclusion: do you realy think that canon will just kill the highly successful APS-H sensor???

Maybe the 7D2 will be APS-C but i am certain we will hear again from the APS-H sensor in the near future...

The APS-H sensor was highly developed and was the heart of the top of the range cameras for some time. The logic of throwing away expertise and technology that good is not something that I would forecast - especially as the APS-H size is cheaper to produce than ff, plus it is a video friendly sized sensor. It is of course possible that the APS-H may be consigned to video cams in future rather than DSLRs

 

[ecka]

For example, I'm using 5D2 and the Set button has no function in image replay/preview mode. Canon could make it a "fast focus check" button which would just switch between normal and 100% view.

Doesn't ml do this on the 5d2, too? On the 60d you can set the + button to instantly zoom to 100% (I'm always using it), and if you ask nicely they'll put it on the set button, too.

Yes, it does zoom on the 5D2 and I can choose normal-50%-100% jumps or just normal-100%. However, ML main purpose is video and it's fantastic for manual focus, bu I find it a bit awkward for stills.

 

[lol]

How about trying to put all these options in perspective. Based on current rumours, what could the near future mid to high range Canon body line up look like? Ignoring the Cinema range of bodies that is.

My interpretation:

1D X
Future high MP full frame body
5D mk3
Future budget full frame model (5D2 taking that role for now)
7D mk2 - APS-C sensor, 5D3 style AF
70D - updated with 7D style AF

Imagine possibly THREE sub-1D full frame bodies in the lineup. I'm not sure there's a space for APS-H to fit in to all that.

The logic of throwing away expertise and technology that good is not something that I would forecast - especially as the APS-H size is cheaper to produce than ff, plus it is a video friendly sized sensor. It is of course possible that the APS-H may be consigned to video cams in future rather than DSLRs

I don't think there is much value in APS-H as a technology in itself. It's essentially a scaling exercise. If they can make APS-C and full frame sensors, making something in between isn't likely to cause anyone nightmares.

As an open question, who wants an APS-H body? I can imagine 1D series users may wish to continue having a future path for them on the same course, but do full frame or APS-C users also want APS-H?

 

[ruuneos]

Agreeing with lol, 7D will always have APS-C sensor. 5D must have little brother :

 

[Marsu42]

1D X
Future high MP full frame body
5D mk3
Future budget full frame model (5D2 taking that role for now)
7D mk2 - APS-C sensor, 5D3 style AF
70D - updated with 7D style AF

I agree if the this is what makes sense as far as I understand what would be competitive and what Canon users would buy. The only thing I'm not so sure about if there is a big enough market for a 7d2 that would cost as much as the "budget ff", but maybe since it's got the 1.6x tc and if it would be better equipped for outdoor use. Now let's see what Canon really does and when :-o

As an open question, who wants an APS-H body? I can imagine 1D series users may wish to continue having a future path for them on the same course, but do full frame or APS-C users also want APS-H?

The problem with aps-h is that you cannot use the good ef-s ultrawides nor can you use the potential of ef ones. That's why I think it'll be phased out. And even if the sensor is cheaper to produce than ff, I don't think this would make that large a difference nowadays in comparison to the rest of the body. If Canon want to release a new ff body well below $2000, they certainly can and don't need aps-h for that.

 

[edawg]

7d ii won't be aps-h since you wouldn't be able to use ef-s lenses. Canon's not gonna sell a new dslr with the potential to kill that entire line of lenses.

 

[briansquibb]

The problem with aps-h is that you cannot use the good ef-s ultrawides nor can you use the potential of ef ones. That's why I think it'll be phased out. And even if the sensor is cheaper to produce than ff, I don't think this would make that large a difference nowadays in comparison to the rest of the body. If Canon want to release a new ff body well below $2000, they certainly can and don't need aps-h for that.

Thanks for this evenings laugh

1D4 = sports camera being phased out because it doesn't make most use of ultra wide lens. The logic escapes me - but you wont see a sports tog with anything as short as a 14mm

Carrying your logic forward then the APS-C is doomed because it cant make good use of the ultra wide lens like the ff bodies