7d mark ii or 6D

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

How about photos of 7Dii with ISO 6400?
Indoors and night time. It is normal to shoot ISO 6400 and shutter speed of 1/125. at F4.
My experience from 70D, not very usable.

With 6D I can at ISO 10000 still usable. I can use 6D to shoot photos above:
Use a bit wide angle lens, set to Ai servo, use center point and target on the player, shoot 5 frames per sec.
then Crop, to the photos above.

I can do low light plus this with the 6D.

Honestly, the only thing I can see advantage of 7Dii is that, center AF point of 6D was multiplied and spread. But looking at other features like, high iso, weight, what else... 6D wins..
Specially the choice of wide angle lens. Which wide angle lens can be use on a crop sensor?
14mm L is so expensive
11-24mm also expensive
16-35mm F4 - F4 to slow aperture for crop
24-70 F2.8 ii - this starts at 35mm, you can not take 5 people group picture with this.
24-70 F4 - same as above, even slower aperture.
70-200 F4 - good but slow aperture still
70-200 F2.8 - expensive

your only choice is wide angle are
16-35 F2.8 but lens like this photos looks really good at full frame.
17-55 - not L lens, not EF lens.

I will choose 6D anytime.

PLUS the anti flicker feature is totally worth it under this lighting condition..

Please explain why this isn't acceptable for iso 6400.

70-200 f2.8 non is lens was used. Not expensive, less than $900 used.

Yes, anti flicker is a good feature for electrical lighting at higher shutter speed.
If you need this feature you choose 7dii.

Ok, iso 6400 of 7dii maybe better to you. But 6D is a lot lot better.

6D is a good all around camera than 7Dii.
If you can compensate the lack of multiple AF point with a bit of skills.
Lens wise, circumstance and cost wise, 6D is better.

Let say I got a friend with me, I want to take a bit of medium portrait.
Using 70-200 F2.8 non IS
For crop sensor, you need to step back maybe 7 meters away or so. And then your F2.8 becomes F4 or so depth of field equivalent.
With full frame, you get better ISO, you can shoot at 70mm focal length, you have F2.8 depth of field, if you don't care depth of field, you can choose 70-200 F4L IS, or even 70-300 L lens on the similar price.

And yes, for a given time, 7dii can shoot twice as much photo as the 6D.
if you need 10 photos per sec, then take 7Dii. Else you just waste your money on something that you really don't not need.

With your car photos. Set aside the flicker issues. 6D can output better quality photos.
In this scenario you paid 7dii for the anti flickr issues. If you shoot this scene only once a year. For me its not worth it.

the 6D is not and ideal camera anymore unless your doing low light work and portraits or subject that dont move alot and yess the ISO is good
but hey when the 7D2 is giving full frame cameras a run for there money then u really gotta sit back and think
9W9A3921-1 by Bigz Ant, on Flickr
9W9A3939-1 by Bigz Ant, on Flickr
I LOVE MY 7D2 AND 5D3 combo

 

[eninja]

the 6D is not and ideal camera anymore unless your doing low light work and portraits or subject that dont move alot and yess the ISO is good

Yes we all agree what you just said about 6D advantages. Done!

7Dii only good for subjects that move a lot.

 

[K]

To summarize my detailed previous post -

With the 6D, you're buying a sensor. That's all it really is. A better IQ, low light, FF sensor surrounded by a 2007-2008 era type camera. With the exception of wifi (no big deal).

The 7D2 is a better camera overall. It is better in all other ways actually...

So the question becomes, is the 7D2 sensor good enough? If yes, then it is a no-brainer and go with the 7D2. If the answer is no - then your needs require more image quality and/or low light performance and you need a better sensor and the 6D becomes the choice, although with significant compromises in other areas.

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

the 6D is not and ideal camera anymore unless your doing low light work and portraits or subject that dont move alot and yess the ISO is good

Yes we all agree what you just said about 6D advantages. Done!

7Dii only good for subjects that move a lot.

the 7D2 can do everything you need it too do so umm ya sarcasm is noted

 

[Ruined]

I have both.

7D2 is a better overall camera. Much better interface, better AF, more useful features.

6D has better DOF control, more detail, and is a bit less noisy due to full frame. But boy, is the interface primitive in comparison to the 7D2. It feels like the stripped model in comparison. The AF works for slow/non-moving subjects, or if you use only the center point, but even then with fast lenses using it can be cumbersome when you only have one cross type sensor in the middle. You can focus in live view, but that might not always be possible. Also with fast lenses, the 6D only has a 1/4000 shutter which may require you to need an ND filter in daylight to prevent overexposure with shallower DOF.

If you are only doing landscape and studio work the 6D will do the job. For other things, the 7D2 is a better overall camera, though the 6D is workable - just gets tiresome being so limited after a while.

 

[eninja]

I have both.

7D2 is a better overall camera. Much better interface, better AF, more useful features.

6D has better DOF control, more detail, and is a bit less noisy due to full frame. But boy, is the interface primitive in comparison to the 7D2. It feels like the stripped model in comparison. The AF works for slow/non-moving subjects, or if you use only the center point, but even then with fast lenses using it can be cumbersome when you only have one cross type sensor in the middle. You can focus in live view, but that might not always be possible. Also with fast lenses, the 6D only has a 1/4000 shutter which may require you to need an ND filter in daylight to prevent overexposure with shallower DOF.

If you are only doing landscape and studio work the 6D will do the job. For other things, the 7D2 is a better overall camera, though the 6D is workable - just gets tiresome being so limited after a while.

as per said:


| 6D | 7Dii |
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. DOF (Bokeh) Better
. Details Better
. Less Noise Better
. Interface Better
. AF slow subject Good | Better
. Max Shutter Speed 1/4000
only

 

[ksgal]

Eninja, I really don't understand why there is a need to disagree here. Everyone conceeds the 6D has a better sensor, at high iso, and has better noise performance when you are up at high iso..

Anyone who has handled both cameras can immediately tell the 7DII is the more feature rich camera, able to do more in a variety of situations the 6D can't even handle.

I can come up with a selected list too - favoring the 7DII. The list you provide only holds meaning for specific goals, and holds no meaning if both are going to be shooting at 100 iso.

I'm glad you love your 6D, I'm sad you are missing out on a great camera in the 7DII.

BTW, max shutter is 1/8000 on the 7DII, so you can put 'Better' over in that column for the Tie.

 

[Luds34]

Eninja, I really don't understand why there is a need to disagree here. Everyone conceeds the 6D has a better sensor, at high iso, and has better noise performance when you are up at high iso..

Anyone who has handled both cameras can immediately tell the 7DII is the more feature rich camera, able to do more in a variety of situations the 6D can't even handle.

I can come up with a selected list too - favoring the 7DII. The list you provide only holds meaning for specific goals, and holds no meaning if both are going to be shooting at 100 iso.

I'm glad you love your 6D, I'm sad you are missing out on a great camera in the 7DII.

BTW, max shutter is 1/8000 on the 7DII, so you can put 'Better' over in that column for the Tie.

I agree, the 6D had the better sensor, but is probably inferior in every other way. Heck, I own a "lowly" 70D and I've been saying since day one of owning the 6D that the 70D is better in every single way, other then the advantages of the FF sensor (and technically GPS if that is important to you).

With all that said, there is one other thing to take in to consideration, and that is the lens line up. The problem I have with Canon's crop system is that one cannot get the focal lengths that one can get in most other systems. Especially on the wide end and fast primes things get very limiting very quickly with Canon crop cameras. So once that is taken into consideration, I find that to be a huge advantage that a 6D has over a 7D/70D etc.

 

[wsheldon]

To summarize my detailed previous post -

With the 6D, you're buying a sensor. That's all it really is. A better IQ, low light, FF sensor surrounded by a 2007-2008 era type camera. With the exception of wifi (no big deal).

The 7D2 is a better camera overall. It is better in all other ways actually...

So the question becomes, is the 7D2 sensor good enough? If yes, then it is a no-brainer and go with the 7D2. If the answer is no - then your needs require more image quality and/or low light performance and you need a better sensor and the 6D becomes the choice, although with significant compromises in other areas.

As a satisfied 6D owner I fully agree, and am very glad Canon gives us these different options. If my photography transitions away from landscape, travel, night, portrait and theater photography (where the 6D is good-to-great) to action, wildlife and rough weather pursuits I'd happily pick up a 7D-II to complement my 6D or "upgrade" to a 5D-III, but a great sensor in a smaller, simpler body is perfect for me (and my wallet) right now. Horses for courses.

 

[NancyP]

Re: 6D: And a very nice sensor it is! Perfect camera for the manual focus, slow composition type of photographer. I enjoy mine very much.
Re: 7D2: mini 1DX for amateur wildlife and sports photographers. B and H had a really good price yesterday, so I finally caved in to refresh my birding camera, formerly the 60D.
Re: 60D: Dated, but it's eventually going to the camera surgeon to get its hot-mirror removed and get configured as an IR camera or a full spectrum camera.

 

[jeffa4444]

The 7D MKII really is a different beast to the 6D and comparing them in reality makes no sense. I always felt the 7D was a terrible landscape camera the IQ fell way short of what I expected, but for wildlife, cars & planes it was and is great. When I got the 6D the difference in my landscape shots was like night & day in terms of detail and colorimagery but Ive never used it for what the 7D excels in. Im holding off right now from getting the 7D MKII in the hope Canon release a 6D MKII in the near future that improves upon the limited AF points Im not so concerned about higher frame rates. Dependant on that I will then make a decision about the 7D MKII to replace my 7D which sees far less use than my 6D.

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

I have both.

7D2 is a better overall camera. Much better interface, better AF, more useful features.

6D has better DOF control, more detail, and is a bit less noisy due to full frame. But boy, is the interface primitive in comparison to the 7D2. It feels like the stripped model in comparison. The AF works for slow/non-moving subjects, or if you use only the center point, but even then with fast lenses using it can be cumbersome when you only have one cross type sensor in the middle. You can focus in live view, but that might not always be possible. Also with fast lenses, the 6D only has a 1/4000 shutter which may require you to need an ND filter in daylight to prevent overexposure with shallower DOF.

If you are only doing landscape and studio work the 6D will do the job. For other things, the 7D2 is a better overall camera, though the 6D is workable - just gets tiresome being so limited after a while.

tell that too those 6D users the ancient slow AF isnt going get the job done always

 

[eninja]

I have both.

7D2 is a better overall camera. Much better interface, better AF, more useful features.

6D has better DOF control, more detail, and is a bit less noisy due to full frame. But boy, is the interface primitive in comparison to the 7D2. It feels like the stripped model in comparison. The AF works for slow/non-moving subjects, or if you use only the center point, but even then with fast lenses using it can be cumbersome when you only have one cross type sensor in the middle. You can focus in live view, but that might not always be possible. Also with fast lenses, the 6D only has a 1/4000 shutter which may require you to need an ND filter in daylight to prevent overexposure with shallower DOF.

If you are only doing landscape and studio work the 6D will do the job. For other things, the 7D2 is a better overall camera, though the 6D is workable - just gets tiresome being so limited after a while.

tell that too those 6D users the ancient slow AF isnt going get the job done always

If you have a choice to use 5Diii, would you choose 7dii in low light?

 

[Oneand0]

Fairtomorrow, what did you end up getting? It's been about a month!

I own both and shoot with both. Right now my 6D is in the repair, due to a wave catching me and camera on California coast. So I have been forced to use 7D II. 7D II is my backup camera for landscape and primary for action & pet photography. I'm a landscape photographer and do some pet photography. Both are a hobby, but I do get paid from time to time.

The 6D comes out with more clarity and is more rich in color, every time due to the full frame. The 7D II comes out clear and close to 6D, if you use prime lenses and focus is right on. For what you have said you need it for, I would definitely get the 7D II. I'm currently switching out going to another camera system for my landscape photography and video, but will keep my 7D II as my backup pet and action camera.

The action shot was painfully taken with the 6D, and the landscape shot was taken with 7D II. I posted both photos to show you can use each camera for the opposite of what it was made for, if you practice. Good luck with your system, what ever you decide to get. It's not so much the tools, but it's more on how much you push yourself with what you have in your hands. I'm sure you have already figured that out!

 

[cellomaster27]

Fairtomorrow, what did you end up getting? It's been about a month!

I own both and shoot with both. Right now my 6D is in the repair, due to a wave catching me and camera on California coast. So I have been forced to use 7D II. 7D II is my backup camera for landscape and primary for action & pet photography. I'm a landscape photographer and do some pet photography. Both are a hobby, but I do get paid from time to time.

The 6D comes out with more clarity and is more rich in color, every time due to the full frame. The 7D II comes out clear and close to 6D, if you use prime lenses and focus is right on. For what you have said you need it for, I would definitely get the 7D II. I'm currently switching out going to another camera system for my landscape photography and video, but will keep my 7D II as my backup pet and action camera.

The action shot was painfully taken with the 6D, and the landscape shot was taken with 7D II. I posted both photos to show you can use each camera for the opposite of what it was made for, if you practice. Good luck with your system, what ever you decide to get. It's not so much the tools, but it's more on how much you push yourself with what you have in your hands. I'm sure you have already figured that out!

I have an SL1. It sucks for anything moving fast due to its minimal af points. I can get the shot.. but how many do I miss? With the 7D II, it's better hit rates with less oof shots. It's extremely frustrating when the camera lags a bit, hunts, and misses a shot you know would have been awesome.. all due to af misfiring. The SL1 and 6D have like the identical af points so I think I can relate to it.. maybe? ;D

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

I have both.

7D2 is a better overall camera. Much better interface, better AF, more useful features.

6D has better DOF control, more detail, and is a bit less noisy due to full frame. But boy, is the interface primitive in comparison to the 7D2. It feels like the stripped model in comparison. The AF works for slow/non-moving subjects, or if you use only the center point, but even then with fast lenses using it can be cumbersome when you only have one cross type sensor in the middle. You can focus in live view, but that might not always be possible. Also with fast lenses, the 6D only has a 1/4000 shutter which may require you to need an ND filter in daylight to prevent overexposure with shallower DOF.

If you are only doing landscape and studio work the 6D will do the job. For other things, the 7D2 is a better overall camera, though the 6D is workable - just gets tiresome being so limited after a while.

tell that too those 6D users the ancient slow AF isnt going get the job done always

If you have a choice to use 5Diii, would you choose 7dii in low light?

i have both

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

Eninja, I really don't understand why there is a need to disagree here. Everyone conceeds the 6D has a better sensor, at high iso, and has better noise performance when you are up at high iso..

Anyone who has handled both cameras can immediately tell the 7DII is the more feature rich camera, able to do more in a variety of situations the 6D can't even handle.

I can come up with a selected list too - favoring the 7DII. The list you provide only holds meaning for specific goals, and holds no meaning if both are going to be shooting at 100 iso.

I'm glad you love your 6D, I'm sad you are missing out on a great camera in the 7DII.

BTW, max shutter is 1/8000 on the 7DII, so you can put 'Better' over in that column for the Tie.

the shutter speed goes way over 1/8000 smh do ya research

 

[veng]

This is a very simple choice, which do you need more of, better AF system and more FPS or more depth of field and better high iso preformance.

 

[privatebydesign]

This is a very simple choice, which do you need more of, better AF system and more FPS or more depth of field and better high iso preformance.

For a same framed image shot from the same place at the same aperture the 6D will have less dof than the 7D MkII.

 

[greger]

Both cameras have features that you might like. If you were to buy the 70D you would have the swivel screen like your 60D. While it's not the birding camera that the 7Dll is, it comes closer than the 6D which is due for an upgrade.