A Bit About the 5D Mark III? [CR1]

[pedro]

Well, in relation to the Rebel rumor posted yesterday, is there still a possibility for a 5D3 below 30+MP? Let's say if they had a 24 MP 1Dx-type-sensor at hand for implementation in the upcoming body? Or is that unlikely? This would mean a slight increase in MP only and still could beat Nikon by price and improved quality compared to their rumored 36 MP attempt. Wouldn't that be a wise move? Calling the experts here: Is that a mere dream of mine?

 

[Nejko]

i really don´t see a reason why Canon doesn´t put the old 45-AF system combined with the 4fps.. it is utterly useless for sports.. but kicks ass in AF.. being Canon likes to reuse stuff... NO WAY are they going to dump the all new 1D mk4 AF system after one camera model.. either one of the 7D or 5D get the 45-AF.. or.. the 2/3/4D might come to be.. one day... a FF 7D with the 1Dx sensor, 45-AF and 6-8fps for 4k€...

 

[Loswr]

I don't give a $h!t how many AF points, cross-type points, blah, blah, blah that the 5D3 will have. All I want is an AF system that locks focus quickly, accurately and consistently, especially with moving subjects. Low light AF performance needs to be upgraded substantially as well. ... As long as something works well for my shooting needs, I don't give a rat's ass what the specs may be.

Hopefully you don't give a rat's ass about cost, either, because you're just described the behavior of the AF system in a 1-series camera. So...problem solved - get a 1DsIII, 1D IV, or a 1D X when it comes out. I can almost guarantee that, given the requirements you outline, you're not going to be happy with the AF of the 5DIII.

 

[torger]

Ahhh... at last a 5Dmk3 rumour more along my lines .

I think it is unlikely to see a "cheap" fullframe with similar specs to 1DX. They must differ significantly. High res, slow, simple AF seems logical. A 7D2 with its smaller sensor as differentiator could have AF close to 1DX though. A 5D / 7D combo like I have today may be a good combo also in the next generation.

 

[Jettatore]

I don't give a $h!t how many AF points, cross-type points, blah, blah, blah that the 5D3 will have. All I want is an AF system that locks focus quickly, accurately and consistently, especially with moving subjects. Low light AF performance needs to be upgraded substantially as well. ... As long as something works well for my shooting needs, I don't give a rat's ass what the specs may be.

Hopefully you don't give a rat's ass about cost, either, because you're just described the behavior of the AF system in a 1-series camera. So...problem solved - get a 1DsIII, 1D IV, or a 1D X when it comes out. I can almost guarantee that, given the requirements you outline, you're not going to be happy with the AF of the 5DIII.

neuroanatomist, there comes a point where planned obsolescence and the forced withholding and temporary suppression of iterative tech upgrades for marketing/product line purposes and colluding with the competition to compete softly in the market will backfire in the faces of the offenders. Canon should be happy to have an opportunity to dominate and make riches in a period in time where no one deserves to be rich, something that can be taken away virtually overnight if it's mistreated or gambled. Why am I saying this to you? Because it sounds like you've gotten to the point where you believe the marketing bullshit is as sound and real world as your photographic mathematics and science.

 

[PerfectSavage]

There is no way Canon is going to put an AF system in a 5D series camera that is a lesser equivalent of - if not better than - the 7D AF; that source is bogus. Secondly, the other information is solid (if obvious) and anyone who thinks the Cine version DSLR Canon rolled out at the C300 launch is going to be a 5DIII must remember one simple thing; Canon announced it, branded it and placed it directly beside the C300 in Hollywood. THAT is the market that camera (when/if it comes to market) is intended for, Hollywood B/C cam setups supporting the C300...Indie types etc. It is not designed for the same market as the 5DII/III etc and while it might be awfully similar to a 5DIII (think 7D/60D differences) when it comes out, it will be different and targeted at a different market and probably available in a PL mount option like the C300.

 

[Jettatore]

I thought that new C camera was 1D sized and rumored to perhaps be even APS-C cropped.

 

[scottsdaleriots]

Here are the 'basics' that I'd like to have in the 5dmII;
* at least 25MP (IMO I cant justify spending $US7000 or whatever it will be for a FF 18MP, I have a 7d and i'm content with the 18MP it has)
*pro-AF which focusses rapidly, locks on
* dual digi V
* higher/better video capacities
* the fps I dont really cant about, though about 5fps would be good
* 1Dx's ISO or something similar to it

More than anything I want canpn to announce AND release the 5dmkII ASAP coz i'm studying photography next year - first year is $10,000 alone, not including the material costs, etc. f**king expensive as course and they're forcing us to buy and use a FF camera. i dont want to and i dont see the logic in buying the 5dmkII only to have the mkIII get announced/released 6 or so months later. that's just a total waste of money IMO, I dont care if it retains most of its value. I've been holding out for a mkIII for a long time and want it to be my first FF camera.

stupid canon, release official specs already!!!!

 

[traveller]

Isn't it a bit sad that if this and the current Nikon rumours prove true, then this time next year we will have to buy a 1D X to get a camera that is even remotely as good as the equivalent Nikon? I guess we'll heve to wait and see. Is anyone else beginning to wonder if they've bought into the wrong system?

 

[infared]

From what I am reading here I see no reason to buy a 5DMark III. I own the II and I do not need 30MP. Now if the focusing on the III was like the 7D and I got 7 frames per second ...keep me at the 21MP with those improvements and that is a camera I would buy...hmmmm....Looks like I will just hang out and get a deal on another 5D Mark II when the prices go down.
Thanks Canon.

 

[JR]

Isn't it a bit sad that if this and the current Nikon rumours prove true, then this time next year we will have to buy a 1D X to get a camera that is even remotely as good as the equivalent Nikon? I guess we'll heve to wait and see. Is anyone else beginning to wonder if they've bought into the wrong system?

I dont. Not now anyway. We are all speculating on cameras from both Canon and Nikon that have yet to be announced. If I look at what is available today on the market, I am quite happy with my 5D mkII and I really like the lens lineup that Canon has. I would not trade my current gear for a D700 and Nikon lenses. With what is available today, I would pick Canon again in a hearth beat.

Of course some of the spec of the rumored Nikon camera are very compelling, but lets wait and see how good it is when we have RAW files. One pro shooter I met recently which shoot with both Canon and Nikon told me he was eager to get the 1DX and that this is what he will use for now. I replied to him well what about the rumored D800, and his responce was that he did not beleive the IQ will be as good as we think. At 38MP, high ISO has to suffer compared to Canon ...

I will be concerned if Canon next line up is not competitive with Nikon, but Canon likely has several sample with different spec on test and am sure they will pick the right one to compete with Nikon...(wishful thinking)

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[infared]

Yo...scottsdaleriots (doubtful) What is with all of the anger with the posts everybody? ....you are so angry in your bold print you state "I want canpn to announce AND release the 5DMarkII ASAP coz I'm studying photography next year". First lets hope you are studying English this year. Canon is a cap and check your spelling. Second I think you are referring to the 5D Mark III in your rant. Also...if you are a new student to photography a 5D Mark II is plenty of camera...plenty..... if creating, processing and printing excellent photography is what you had in mind. Save yourself some money and concentrate on the knowledge and art, not the machine. Its not ALL about the camera.
If this is where Canon is headed with the 5D...I am going to keep the one I own (unbelievable camera) and hang in the wings and pick up another body at a discount. I do not need 30mp.

 

[MartinvH]

Why would you need 'superior' autofocus in a 5D mark 3 ??
It is a high resolution portrait and landscape camera , so that is what its made for.
You want both worlds buy an extra 7D or just one 1D-X and sell the rest of your camera's.

People (i am talking amateurs here) are just never satisfied , we always want something better, newer and more expensive which does rarely improve your pictures.
It just makes you lazier in your technique!

Would not we al buy the new Canon 1D-X + lenses if we could so easily afford it ?
And end up spending over 10.000 euro's just to get more great (but everso always the same) pictures of your running kids inside your lowlighted house or the same pictures of your favorite area

Yesterday I was just walking around sundown without a tripod and got lucky to get some of the best landscape pictures I ever did.
No lens or camera can make up for a that split moment when weather ,light and circumstances come together in just a minute window or so.
A simple T2i plus a very old 75/300 lens got the job done.

 

[ghosh9691]

What is with all of the anger with the posts everybody?

'coz his ain't bigger or better than his neighbor! The anonymity afforded by the internet makes you braver/studiper and you can say anything you want, rant at anyone you want...

Its not ALL about the camera.
If this is where Canon is headed with the 5D...I am going to keep the one I own (unbelievable camera) and hang in the wings and pick up another body at a discount. I do not need 30mp.

Well said!!! Quite seriously, I am sick of people moaning about high ISO and/or high MP! Just go out and take some photographs. Remember, higher ISO or higher MP will not make you a better photographer!

 

[Loswr]

Here are the 'basics' that I'd like to have in the 5dmIII;
* at least 25MP
* pro-AF which focusses rapidly, locks on
* dual digic V
* higher/better video capacities
* the fps I dont really cant about, though about 5fps would be good
* 1Dx's ISO or something similar to it

Here are the 'basics' that I'd like to have you're likely to get in the 5dmIII;
* at least 25MP 18 MP (but maybe more if they decide not to reuse the 1D X sensor)
* pro-AF which focusses rapidly, locks on
* dual digic V
* higher/better video capacities
* the fps I dont really cant about, though about 5fps 4 fps would be good
* 1Dx's ISO or something similar to it

 

[Bob Howland]

Remember, higher ISO or higher MP will not make you a better photographer!

Wrong! If high ISO allows you to use a 24-70 zoom lens at 70mm instead of having to use a 24 f/1.4 lens, and an exposure of 1/60 sec and f/2.8 instead of 1/15 sec and f/1.4, then it most certainly can make you a "better photographer".

 

[Jettatore]

Neuro... -realistically, what physical/manufacturing cost savings would leaving out a reasonable auto-focus system provide? I'm thinking in terms of raw material it's next to no extra costs, and in terms of manufacturing techniques, it's nominal for them to make the extra effort

 

[torger]

Remember, higher ISO or higher MP will not make you a better photographer!

Wrong! If high ISO allows you to use a 24-70 zoom lens at 70mm instead of having to use a 24 f/1.4 lens, and an exposure of 1/60 sec and f/2.8 instead of 1/15 sec and f/1.4, then it most certainly can make you a "better photographer".

I agree, good equipment does make some shots possible which otherwise are impossible or extremely hard to nail. Good AF in sports for example. Low light photography. Beautiful short DoF photographs does require large aperture lenses. Etc.

Those that say that equipment is not important still often have top-of-the-line equipment themselves by some reason...

I think a better saying is that even with good equipment you can make poor pictures .

 

[Jettatore]

torger, I think someone just wanted to rail into a student and bully them about spelling and grammar, because that's probably what someone did to them when they were young and eager to learn and be playing with exciting new equipment

Although I would say to that student that if your budget is tight, getting a used 5D Mark ONE isn't an altogether horrible idea depending on your budget, espeically if you end up having to wait for a Mark III release. I'd also say that photography school in a digital age, is questionable.

I'd take the $10 grand, bank it, spend a small amount on cheap but good (ef-s) equipment and spend your time scouring the internet and camping out at Barnes & Nobles/your local libraries and online book repositories in the photography sections. There isn't anything a school can teach you in photography that isn't written in a book or in a youtube video at this point. Then once you have taught yourself you can spend all that extra cash on high end kit that you will know how to take advantage of the day you test it out in the camera store while you study your purchase with experience. Just my ten sents (and I spelled that wrong on purpose just to annoy the other guy)

 

[whatta]

Neuro... -realistically, what physical/manufacturing cost savings would leaving out a reasonable auto-focus system provide? I'm thinking in terms of raw material it's next to no extra costs, and in terms of manufacturing techniques, it's nominal for them to make the extra effort

how much did they save when they decided to remove AF-MA from 60D? Nothing, but they did