A New Full Frame Zoom Coming in 2016 [CR2]

I am glad to see that a new 70-300 non-L may be coming, assuming that it will have nano-USM (which apparently stands for even faster AF than STM) and better IQ than the bad IQ of the present 70-300 non-L.

To be honest, I am quite surprised to read replies now and then that seem to indicate that the present EF 70-300 non-L is not all that bad. I have spoken several people in the last year with the Canon 70-300 non-L, and both its AF-speed and IQ is not to modern standards at all. Probably Canon's innovations with STM are partly to blame for that. And innitial reviews of the nano-USM seem to be even a step better for de AF-speed. Of course, IQ is a per-lens matter, based on how Canon choses to market the lens.

But there is another aspect of the present 70-300 non-L I would like to bring up. Two of the people I spoke bought the 70-300 non-L as part of a package with a body or another Canon-lens. Both were thinking that with Canon they could not be mistaken, even although it is not that cheap (and almost twice the price of the 55-250 STM). And Canon's own words speak about good IQ and fast AF. For them it was a great disappointment that the Canon 70-300 non-L could not focus on playing children (not eratically running around, just slowly moving as any kid does), pets, etc.. These 'normal' customers are disappointed greatly: not in this lens, but in Canon as a brand!
So perhaps Canon manages to earn a lot on sales of an old design that (new) customers keep buying because it routinely gets packaged with other Canon products (e.g. around the holidays), but apparently the management of Canon does not realise that Canon is eating from it's own good name here. After this experience, both of these customers (owners of a Canon DSLR-body) will not automatically chose a Canon-lens next time, they told me!
The third was a guy I met at an airshow. It was my first time at an airshow after many years, so I started talking to him when I saw his camera. With his Canon 6D (a full frame body) and 70-300 non-L, he thought that he had bought a nice combination for shooting planes. That was not the case in reality, he told me. Despite what Canon says on its website and what he believed to be true. He felt a fool.

So anybody saying that the 70-300 non-L is fine may be right when talking about a specific subject, e.g. landscape photography (no AF-speed required) - and then in the range between 70 and 200 mm (where IQ is reasonable) - and then also on a cropped camera (where the low border IQ is no issue). But not mentioning that does not do justice to other real-world experiences, in my honest opinion.

Therefore I can only hope for Canon's sake that this rumors (also) is about a new EF 70-300 IS (nano-)USM with a decent IQ over the whole range but in particular at the long end. Because after all, that is where most tele-zooms are most often used: at or around the long end. And where they are judged in reality.

And on a personal note: I hope that such a lens becomes available this year, or it will be too late for me and I will have chosen a non-Canon lens. That would be for the first time in 3 decades of shooting with Canon.
 
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haggie said:
I am glad to see that a new 70-300 non-L may be coming, assuming that it will have nano-USM (which apparently stands for even faster AF than STM) and better IQ than the bad IQ of the present 70-300 non-L.

To be honest, I am quite surprised to read replies now and then that seem to indicate that the present EF 70-300 non-L is not all that bad. I have spoken several people in the last year with the Canon 70-300 non-L, and both its AF-speed and IQ is not to modern standards at all. Probably Canon's innovations with STM are partly to blame for that. And innitial reviews of the nano-USM seem to be even a step better for de AF-speed. Of course, IQ is a per-lens matter, based on how Canon choses to market the lens.

But there is another aspect of the present 70-300 non-L I would like to bring up. Two of the people I spoke bought the 70-300 non-L as part of a package with a body or another Canon-lens. Both were thinking that with Canon they could not be mistaken, even although it is not that cheap (and almost twice the price of the 55-250 STM). And Canon's own words speak about good IQ and fast AF. For them it was a great disappointment that the Canon 70-300 non-L could not focus on playing children (not eratically running around, just slowly moving as any kid does), pets, etc.. These 'normal' customers are disappointed greatly: not in this lens, but in Canon as a brand!
So perhaps Canon manages to earn a lot on sales of an old design that (new) customers keep buying because it routinely gets packaged with other Canon products (e.g. around the holidays), but apparently the management of Canon does not realise that Canon is eating from it's own good name here. After this experience, both of these customers (owners of a Canon DSLR-body) will not automatically chose a Canon-lens next time, they told me!
The third was a guy I met at an airshow. It was my first time at an airshow after many years, so I started talking to him when I saw his camera. With his Canon 6D (a full frame body) and 70-300 non-L, he thought that he had bought a nice combination for shooting planes. That was not the case in reality, he told me. Despite what Canon says on its website and what he believed to be true. He felt a fool.

So anybody saying that the 70-300 non-L is fine may be right when talking about a specific subject, e.g. landscape photography (no AF-speed required) - and then in the range between 70 and 200 mm (where IQ is reasonable) - and then also on a cropped camera (where the low border IQ is no issue). But not mentioning that does not do justice to other real-world experiences, in my honest opinion.

Therefore I can only hope for Canon's sake that this rumors (also) is about a new EF 70-300 IS (nano-)USM with a decent IQ over the whole range but in particular at the long end. Because after all, that is where most tele-zooms are most often used: at or around the long end. And where they are judged in reality.

And on a personal note: I hope that such a lens becomes available this year, or it will be too late for me and I will have chosen a non-Canon lens. That would be for the first time in 3 decades of shooting with Canon.

This is exactly how I felt after buying my first Canon DSLR, T2i with 18-55 something and 55-250. I was so disappointed with the pictures I figured I had no clue what I was doing. I persevered, learned and got better lenses and better cameras. Now I'm happy with the results most of the time.
To anybody who claims Canon makes great lenses, that is true, but they also make crappy lenses. Many people who start with a first DSLR will end up with crappy lenses and will not continue using the DSLR.
In my opinion Canon should not sell any crappy lenses, they are destroying their brand. No lens should be worst then the 18-135STM, that should be the bottom of the quality standard.
 
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kphoto99 said:
haggie said:
...Therefore I can only hope for Canon's sake that this rumors (also) is about a new EF 70-300 IS (nano-)USM with a decent IQ over the whole range but in particular at the long end. Because after all, that is where most tele-zooms are most often used: at or around the long end. And where they are judged in reality...
This is exactly how I felt after buying my first Canon DSLR, T2i with 18-55 something and 55-250. I was so disappointed with the pictures I figured I had no clue what I was doing. I persevered, learned and got better lenses and better cameras. Now I'm happy with the results most of the time.
To anybody who claims Canon makes great lenses, that is true, but they also make crappy lenses. Many people who start with a first DSLR will end up with crappy lenses and will not continue using the DSLR.
In my opinion Canon should not sell any crappy lenses, they are destroying their brand. No lens should be worst then the 18-135STM, that should be the bottom of the quality standard.
I live wondering:

How is it that in 2016, Canon continues to manufacture some trash, as their 75-300mm?
2011-10-13_13-45-50.jpg
 
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ajfotofilmagem said:
kphoto99 said:
haggie said:
...Therefore I can only hope for Canon's sake that this rumors (also) is about a new EF 70-300 IS (nano-)USM with a decent IQ over the whole range but in particular at the long end. Because after all, that is where most tele-zooms are most often used: at or around the long end. And where they are judged in reality...
This is exactly how I felt after buying my first Canon DSLR, T2i with 18-55 something and 55-250. I was so disappointed with the pictures I figured I had no clue what I was doing. I persevered, learned and got better lenses and better cameras. Now I'm happy with the results most of the time.
To anybody who claims Canon makes great lenses, that is true, but they also make crappy lenses. Many people who start with a first DSLR will end up with crappy lenses and will not continue using the DSLR.
In my opinion Canon should not sell any crappy lenses, they are destroying their brand. No lens should be worst then the 18-135STM, that should be the bottom of the quality standard.
I live wondering:

How is it that in 2016, Canon continues to manufacture some trash, as their 75-300mm?
2011-10-13_13-45-50.jpg
EXACTLY!

It's not just the big whites that need periodic updates.....
 
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Judging by the IQ on the EF-S 55-250 IS STM they probably can make a really nice long plastic zoom on Full Frame if they really want to.
The best part is if they come anywhere close to the IQ of the EF-S zoom then this could make a great upgrade over that lens on crop.
 
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ajfotofilmagem said:
kphoto99 said:
haggie said:
...Therefore I can only hope for Canon's sake that this rumors (also) is about a new EF 70-300 IS (nano-)USM with a decent IQ over the whole range but in particular at the long end. Because after all, that is where most tele-zooms are most often used: at or around the long end. And where they are judged in reality...
This is exactly how I felt after buying my first Canon DSLR, T2i with 18-55 something and 55-250. I was so disappointed with the pictures I figured I had no clue what I was doing. I persevered, learned and got better lenses and better cameras. Now I'm happy with the results most of the time.
To anybody who claims Canon makes great lenses, that is true, but they also make crappy lenses. Many people who start with a first DSLR will end up with crappy lenses and will not continue using the DSLR.
In my opinion Canon should not sell any crappy lenses, they are destroying their brand. No lens should be worst then the 18-135STM, that should be the bottom of the quality standard.
I live wondering:

How is it that in 2016, Canon continues to manufacture some trash, as their 75-300mm?
2011-10-13_13-45-50.jpg

Very simple: there's money in making those lenses, but none in upgrading them.
 
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9VIII said:
j-nord said:
I honestly had no idea people were this enthusiastic about low end zooms. No issue with it, I just didnt know there was a market for them.

There probably wasn't until they made them good. The EF-S 55-250 IS STM is very sharp and can be had for very little money.

I've been impressed with mine. I bought two when they were $129 refurb'd for my kids and they do very well.
 
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ajfotofilmagem said:
I live wondering:

How is it that in 2016, Canon continues to manufacture some trash, as their 75-300mm?
2011-10-13_13-45-50.jpg

It goes to 300mm. It costs $180-200 new. It costs $70 refurbished, today on Canon's webstore. That's right...$70. It sits on shelves in Target and Walmart. Do you honestly think that the majority of dSLR buyers – those buying a Rebel/xxxD and for whom a $400-600 camera+lens kit is a major purchase – are prepared to spend that much or more on another lens?

$180 to zoom to 300mm. How do you live not understanding why Canon continues to manufacture these lenses?

As for the lens being 'trash', there are plenty of examples of quite lovely images with this lens on Flickr (e.g. this one or this one), so if you've tried the lens and are unable to take a decent picture, I'd suggest the problem isn't the lens.
 
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j-nord said:
I honestly had no idea people were this enthusiastic about low end zooms. No issue with it, I just didnt know there was a market for them.

On this forum you mean. I too am a bit surprised the coverage this is getting considering we have a lot of enthusiasts and pros and we can be a bit snobby with our gear. ;)

I'm not sure I see a ton of value in this lens at the price it goes for. The 70-200 f/4L seems like such a better lens for just a little bit more money. And the latest 55-250 STM lenses in both EF-S and EF-M seem like better budget options. So this lens gets kind of stuck in "no man's land". Either go true budget with the STM, or spring for the entry level 70-200.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
It goes to 300mm. It costs $180-200 new. It costs $70 refurbished, today on Canon's webstore. That's right...$70. It sits on shelves in Target and Walmart. Do you honestly think that the majority of dSLR buyers – those buying a Rebel/xxxD and for whom a $400-600 camera+lens kit is a major purchase – are prepared to spend that much or more on another lens?

$180 to zoom to 300mm. How do you live not understanding why Canon continues to manufacture these lenses?

No valid excuse. :-)

This zoom, like some other older Canon EF lenses was an OK-ish low-end consumer tele-zoom many years ago. But by mid-2016 Canon customers rightfully expect better Canon lenses than ancient 50/1.4, 85/1.8 or any of the lame and ho-hum 70/75-300 zoom variations [speaking of Non-L]. If Tamron and other thirdparty lens makers can offer fully competitive "consumer grade" lenses at reasonable prices, so should Canon.

Canon has demonstrated they can do it with some new or greatly improved "upgraded" versions of lenses that are optically very decent consumer lenses by today's standards and affordable at the same time. e.g. EF 40/2.8, EF 50/1.8 STM, EF-S 55-250 or all of the EF-M lenses.

But some upgrades really are overdue.

Personally I'd love to get a new EF 85/1.8 STM IS or even better 100/2.0 IS STM - even if it came with plastic mount and no manual focus ring. Instead I'd rather take the blue goo.
 
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AvTvM said:
But by mid-2016 Canon customers rightfully expect better Canon lenses than ancient 50/1.4, 85/1.8 or any of the lame and ho-hum 70/75-300 zoom variations [speaking of Non-L].

And yet...Canon customers keep right on buying those lenses. But as usual, you think you know better than Canon about what consumers will buy, even though time and again the actual facts prove you wrong.
 
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Neuro, your problem is you're just too logical. We are spoiled silly with the level of lenses we have for the price (other than super-teles which are super-hard to afford). A comment if you will on me dumping my 300 2.8 II for the 500 II - asking price about $6500 US. Probably 70% of my shots have been 300 X2.

Jack
 
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AvTvM said:
Personally I'd love to get a new EF 85/1.8 STM IS or even better 100/2.0 IS STM -

So you'd give your money to Canon for an EF lens, thereby encouraging them to continue supporting their antiquated mirrorslapper platform which is clearly passé instead of riding the wave of the future last year and switching entirely to dedicated mirrorless?

How very anachronistic and hypocritical of you... ::)
 
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neuroanatomist said:
AvTvM said:
But by mid-2016 Canon customers rightfully expect better Canon lenses than ancient 50/1.4, 85/1.8 or any of the lame and ho-hum 70/75-300 zoom variations [speaking of Non-L].

And yet...Canon customers keep right on buying those lenses. But as usual, you think you know better than Canon about what consumers will buy, even though time and again the actual facts prove you wrong.

Can you show unit sales to prove the claim "customers keep buying these lenses"? Yes, some do, mostly for lack of better alternatives and/or fear of potential AF-/compatibility issues with 3rd party lenses and/or higher price of (optically superior) 3rd party lenses.

I don't know,. but would be really surprised, if those old clunkers mentioned were still selling in large quantities by now.
 
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