A Real EOS M Replacement Coming Soon? [CR1]

[Hjalmarg1]

Realistically speaking, that would probably mean the 70D sensor, a mediocre AF system, no VF and some little handling changes... :/ come on, Canon, prove me wrong!

I also hope you'll be wrong but it has to be really stunning to trade my sony a6000 which complements my Canon gear perfectly. Canon with the EOS-M has shown no aim to improve and get Canon users loyal to them in the mirrorless section. Poor offer of lenses and mediocre AF

 

[Etienne]

I hope it has the size and controls of the Fuji X-T1, has the 7D2 sensor, a swivel screen, and lots of videocentric features.

 

[jypfoto]

For me, this camera has no chance of being interesting unless it has dual-pixel focusing, and a standard (slow) zoom that starts at 15mm (24mm equivalent) and retracts entirely inside the camera.

Oh yeah...one more thing. It has to have at least one (preferably more) 1:1 video crop mode.

You're asking for a fixed lens compact? The M will/should remain an interchangeable mount system.

 

[jypfoto]

I hope it has the size and controls of the Fuji X-T1, has the 7D2 sensor, a swivel screen, and lots of videocentric features.

I don't think it will be that drasticallly different from what is out now, they would be in fear of cannibalizing their DSLR sales.

 

[Quackator]

Global shutter to unleash flash photography.
Die, x-sync, die!

 

[Aichbus]

But I suspect that those who demand a viewfinder etc. really haven't used the M.

I use the M as a third body with my 5DII and 6D. I use it with the 22 and 11-22 + plenty of EF lenses. The most annoying thing for me is actually a the lack of a viewfinder, because if you have the sun on the display it is next to impossible to frame the shot. I also own the Sony RX100 (first version) and kind of upgraded it to the M. The RX100 has the same problem of a lacking real viewfinder, but the RX100 III now has one. I tried it and my wish would be a viewfinder of that sort in the M (+ better AF, + GPS)

 

[Lee Jay]

For me, this camera has no chance of being interesting unless it has dual-pixel focusing, and a standard (slow) zoom that starts at 15mm (24mm equivalent) and retracts entirely inside the camera.

Oh yeah...one more thing. It has to have at least one (preferably more) 1:1 video crop mode.

You're asking for a fixed lens compact? The M will/should remain an interchangeable mount system.

That slow zoom should be a standard available lens like a kit lens.

 

[Chapman Baxter]

To those wanting wi-fi, the M2 already has this so it will obviously be on the next one.

Honestly, I'd be amazed if the new M had anything other than the 70D's DPAF sensor. No other Canon sensor would make any sense at all, either for the market or for Canon, if it wants to be competitive in this segment. Forget FF - they're not about to create a whole new line of lenses.

 

[Rocky]

I hope it has the size and controls of the Fuji X-T1, has the 7D2 sensor, a swivel screen, and lots of videocentric features.

I don't think it will be that drasticallly different from what is out now, they would be in fear of cannibalizing their DSLR sales.

Even with the shortcomings of the existing M. It has already replaced my DSLR as a travelling camera. Canon can make a much better M and give customer a choice. People that prefer the DSLR will still buy the DSLR. People prefer a smaller, lighter camera and have no need for DSLR will by the better M. Has anybody ever have a concern about SL1 will cut into the sales of 7D ???

 

[Rocky]

I don't want the M to be any bigger.

Yes the AF needs big-time improving.

But I have a beef with those who post on this board and yammer on and on about the need for a viewfinder.

I was there...until I bought an M.

Shooting without a viewfinder is simply different...not necessarily better or worse...and after a ten-day family vacation where nearly all of my images were obtained with the M (and its 11-22mm lens, the M's killer app), I became quite familiar with its eccentricities...and I was hooked! And yes I still love traditional DSLRs (and their viewfinders).

What is WAYYYYYYY more important to this vacation/travel/street shooter...is (even a tiny) on-board flash.

I own the 270 flash...but don't always have it with me. Daylight vacation people shots BEG for the onboard flash...and the fact that my 40D has the onboard flash is one reason that it still gets used.

But I suspect that those who demand a viewfinder etc. really haven't used the M.

You can always get the 90EX. It is so small that you do not even know that it is in your pocket.

 

[traveller]

It needs to be as good as an Olympus E-M1, a Panasonic GH4 or a Fuji X-T1. Anything less will not cause people to switch back to Canon.

I think that getting anyone who has bought into another mirrorless system to switch back to Canon is a big ask for a single camera at this stage. The best that Canon can hope for is to persuade the remaining fence sitters to try the EOS-M, probably those who already own a Canon DSLR.

It's going to be a tough slog for Canon to get back into the mirrorless game; not only are they're behind on just about every metric, but they've demonstrated only luke warm interest in the market so far. If you had to spend your hard earned cash on buying into a mirrorless system right now, what would pursuade you to get an EOS-M? The only sane argument is price; that's not a good place to be when you're a company that has built a reputation upon being the professional's choice.

The next EOS-M needs to be a great camera, because we all know that DXO will tear its sensor to shreds (unless Canon make the unlikely decision to debut new sensor technology in the EOS-M replacement, rather than the 7D Mk2). Some more interesting lens choices are not a just a nice-to-have, but a must-do-now.

 

[weixing]

Hi,
No rebel yet, so may be the rebel will be replace by an M... a Rebel M... ;D

Have a nice day.

 

[Etienne]

I hope it has the size and controls of the Fuji X-T1, has the 7D2 sensor, a swivel screen, and lots of videocentric features.

I don't think it will be that drasticallly different from what is out now, they would be in fear of cannibalizing their DSLR sales.

Even with the shortcomings of the existing M. It has already replaced my DSLR as a travelling camera. Canon can make a much better M and give customer a choice. People that prefer the DSLR will still buy the DSLR. People prefer a smaller, lighter camera and have no need for DSLR will by the better M. Has anybody ever have a concern about SL1 will cut into the sales of 7D ???

I have the original and it's nice to have a pocketable APS-C camera that can take all my other lenses (with adapter).

If it has the 70D sensor I'll probably get one if it is not overly expensive, and it's more responsive and includes video features. I'd pay substantially more with the 7D2 sensor in it.

If this goes CR2 I'll probably by some more EF-M mount lenses. I've got the 22 f/2 (doesn't everyone), and the 11-22 IS so far.

 

[Quackator]

DXO...... a good example for the discrepancy of measurements
and the results in the real world.

After getting involved with trust-your-eyes.com we started to
wonder if the DXOmark has any real value at all.

Some of the worst lenses we tested rank high in their list.

So, would I care if they diss any new sensor? No.

 

[jypfoto]

I hope it has the size and controls of the Fuji X-T1, has the 7D2 sensor, a swivel screen, and lots of videocentric features.

I don't think it will be that drasticallly different from what is out now, they would be in fear of cannibalizing their DSLR sales.

Even with the shortcomings of the existing M. It has already replaced my DSLR as a travelling camera. Canon can make a much better M and give customer a choice. People that prefer the DSLR will still buy the DSLR. People prefer a smaller, lighter camera and have no need for DSLR will by the better M. Has anybody ever have a concern about SL1 will cut into the sales of 7D ???

The SL1 and the 7D have so little in common that the target audience is different. If you release a mirrorless that's comparable to the what the other user was looking for (X-T1 like controls, 70D autofocus, swivel screen, video features), then it's basically the same as a 70D for around the same price or less, then it could potentially confuse the buyer.

 

[Lee Jay]

If you had to spend your hard earned cash on buying into a mirrorless system right now, what would pursuade you to get an EOS-M?

It's from a company that isn't loosing money selling cameras?

 

[Sanaraken]

Waiting for an FF model with DPAF and 60 fps video.

 

[jrista]

For me, this camera has no chance of being interesting unless it has dual-pixel focusing, and a standard (slow) zoom that starts at 15mm (24mm equivalent) and retracts entirely inside the camera.

How do you make a lens that retracts into an ILC body? The EOS-M is an ILC, so the lenses have to be able to detach and be swapped out. With the probable flange-to-sensor distance, I find it highly unlikely were going to see a "pancake zoom" that could actually retract inside the EOS-M body.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

What it will probably have:

20.2 MP, from the 7D mk II
DPAF
5 fps
Digic 6 processor
1080p video at 60p, no aliasing as 7D mk II
Clean HDMI out with audio/timecode
An EVF
3" touch screen
Intervalometer
Wifi

-I would really love such a small stills and video workhorse but only if the video aliasing part is true in that it's similar to the 7D mk II not the 70D. Don't screw video with your damn aliasing Canon, the A5100/6000 all got rid of it and have similar video to the 7D mk II and 5D mk III, this one should have it too considering the competition.

 

[Rocky]

The SL1 and the 7D have so little in common that the target audience is different. If you release a mirrorless that's comparable to the what the other user was looking for (X-T1 like controls, 70D autofocus, swivel screen, video features), then it's basically the same as a 70D for around the same price or less, then it could potentially confuse the buyer.

It will not be confusing. It become a matter of choice. If people spend $1500 to $2000 for a camera body, they should know exactly what they want.