A Real EOS M Replacement Coming Soon? [CR1]
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Rocky said:
As long as we are wishing: +1 on the ability to disable the touch screen; something to hang on to; and when shooting manual, a more robust dial (or separate controls) for adjusting aperture and shutter speed (so that one can avoid inadvertently switching between the two). These in addition to the list above (except the AF doesn't have to be on all the time and I really don't know or care about 1080P or aliasing - but understand others do). (And yes, I have used the M, and yes, very difficult to frame a shot in sunlight without EVF).
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Canon should bring 2 Models:
• EOS 3 - as small as possible, = like EOS M2, with 70D sensor, fast enough DPAF, some minor improvements, price exactly like SL/100D
• EOS M Pro = "Fuji XT1 killer", 7D 2 sensor, AF speed best in class, EVF, built in flash, built in wifi, GPS and RT commander, fully articulated "retina" LCD, beefier grip to fit LO-E6N battery for 500 shots per charge.
And never mind should those 2 models confuse some consumers. They can still go and buy a rebel or other mirrorslappers.
I am sure Canon will keep the EF-M mount. It' specs are well chosen and the existing lens line-up are all price-weight-size-performance leaders. Add a few more good, small and cheap pancake primes (e.g. 12mm/4.0, 50/1.8, 80mm/2.8) and a 60/2.8 macro and everythinv will be just wonderful.
• EOS 3 - as small as possible, = like EOS M2, with 70D sensor, fast enough DPAF, some minor improvements, price exactly like SL/100D
• EOS M Pro = "Fuji XT1 killer", 7D 2 sensor, AF speed best in class, EVF, built in flash, built in wifi, GPS and RT commander, fully articulated "retina" LCD, beefier grip to fit LO-E6N battery for 500 shots per charge.
And never mind should those 2 models confuse some consumers. They can still go and buy a rebel or other mirrorslappers.
I am sure Canon will keep the EF-M mount. It' specs are well chosen and the existing lens line-up are all price-weight-size-performance leaders. Add a few more good, small and cheap pancake primes (e.g. 12mm/4.0, 50/1.8, 80mm/2.8) and a 60/2.8 macro and everythinv will be just wonderful.
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rrcphoto said:
Probably because he was thinking in terms of the Christmas buying season, same as me.
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AvTvM said:Canon should bring 2 Models:
• EOS 3 - as small as possible, = like EOS M2, with 70D sensor, fast enough DPAF, some minor improvements, price exactly like SL/100D
• EOS M Pro = "Fuji XT1 killer", 7D 2 sensor, AF speed best in class, EVF, built in flash, built in wifi, GPS and RT commander, fully articulated "retina" LCD, beefier grip to fit LO-E6N battery for 500 shots per charge.
And never mind should those 2 models confuse some consumers. They can still go and buy a rebel or other mirrorslappers.
I am sure Canon will keep the EF-M mount. It' specs are well chosen and the existing lens line-up are all price-weight-size-performance leaders. Add a few more good, small and cheap pancake primes (e.g. 12mm/4.0, 50/1.8, 80mm/2.8) and a 60/2.8 macro and everythinv will be just wonderful.
I agree ..... I assume the M3 Pro will be named M3X ...... don't know why they both couldn't share the 7DII sensor - Canon need to use the latest sensors they have to avoid trailing the competition by too much. By putting a grip on the camera would allow a larger battery, one of the shortcomings of the current model
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If Canon is getting ready to make their move now, I doubt they will use their own sensor. They have not demonstrated a sensor technology that can compete in the current mirrorless market.
Now that they've gone over that Rubicon by using a Sony sensor, it suggests we'll see more non-Canon sensors. Perhaps they'll get really smart and hook up with Toshiba.
If Canon is getting ready to make their move now, I doubt they will use their own sensor. They have not demonstrated a sensor technology that can compete in the current mirrorless market.
Now that they've gone over that Rubicon by using a Sony sensor, it suggests we'll see more non-Canon sensors. Perhaps they'll get really smart and hook up with Toshiba.
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I like some of the Sony a6000 features. Let's see how Canon has responded.
This better not be lame!
This better not be lame!
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I was at a camera show/expo 2 weeks ago. First, I asked the Canon reps about the future of the EOS M. they joked around and said "well, there's an M2 in Asia." They handed me an SL1 and said 'well, this isn't much bigger and it gives you everything a mirrorless has"... End of story
Then I went to the SONY booth and handled an a6000. I've never shot a SONY, but the controls seemed very intuitive. It has the EVF and tiny flash onboard. I almost made the plunge, but waited. The only nitpick I have w/the SONY is NO TOUCHSCREEN. I can live w/o it, but I swear, everytime I switch from my 70D to my 60D I say "where's the touchscreen?"...well, another nitpick w/Sony..the kit lens, motorized zoom 16-50 got pretty bad reviews.
I did not know that an a7000 is due soon as per a previous post. I do most of my equip. buying in the fall, and next fall it will be either the Mxxx or Sony A....whatever. I realize there is no need to be "LOYAL" to Canon if they lag or ignore the mirrorless market. Unlike others, I never mount my EF lenses on my EOS M. I am quite pleased with the M 18-55. we shall see.
Then I went to the SONY booth and handled an a6000. I've never shot a SONY, but the controls seemed very intuitive. It has the EVF and tiny flash onboard. I almost made the plunge, but waited. The only nitpick I have w/the SONY is NO TOUCHSCREEN. I can live w/o it, but I swear, everytime I switch from my 70D to my 60D I say "where's the touchscreen?"...well, another nitpick w/Sony..the kit lens, motorized zoom 16-50 got pretty bad reviews.
I did not know that an a7000 is due soon as per a previous post. I do most of my equip. buying in the fall, and next fall it will be either the Mxxx or Sony A....whatever. I realize there is no need to be "LOYAL" to Canon if they lag or ignore the mirrorless market. Unlike others, I never mount my EF lenses on my EOS M. I am quite pleased with the M 18-55. we shall see.
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AvTvM said:Canon should bring 2 Models:
• EOS 3 - as small as possible, = like EOS M2, with 70D sensor, fast enough DPAF, some minor improvements, price exactly like SL/100D
• EOS M Pro = "Fuji XT1 killer", 7D 2 sensor, AF speed best in class, EVF, built in flash, built in wifi, GPS and RT commander, fully articulated "retina" LCD, beefier grip to fit LO-E6N battery for 500 shots per charge.
And never mind should those 2 models confuse some consumers. They can still go and buy a rebel or other mirrorslappers.
I am sure Canon will keep the EF-M mount. It' specs are well chosen and the existing lens line-up are all price-weight-size-performance leaders. Add a few more good, small and cheap pancake primes (e.g. 12mm/4.0, 50/1.8, 80mm/2.8) and a 60/2.8 macro and everythinv will be just wonderful.
I'd love to see a Pro version. There are already some cool looking lenses for the EF-M mount. The 11-22 is quite good. Samyang has a 8mm 2.8 fisheye and a 12mm f/2.0! All of these lenses are tiny yet can produce perfectly acceptable high quality images. We just need an awesome new body for them.
In fact a really good EOS-M3 with a 7D2 sensor would go straight to the top of my "Buy Now" list.
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lescrane said:
I hear you. I bought a SL-1 for my pole-cam project and it's great! It's the first touch screen I have owned and it's really nice.
I read & watches several a6000 reviews and I'm within a few months of making the leap to some good mirrorless body. With the additional cost of the EF to M adapter, it's still appealing. The cool thing about the optical adapter is the gain of about one f stop!( 2.8 = 2.0) If Canon or Sony offers the "perfect combo" I'll jump on it. I hope for Canon so the AF system works well with EF lenses. The nice thing about mirrorless is that it's quiet.
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A new FF mirrorless with a touch screen and built like the 5D Mark III is what I wish for.
The frames per second would smoke anything on the market. Just sayin' 8)
The frames per second would smoke anything on the market. Just sayin' 8)
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I think alot of you are pipe dreaming.
assuming this is just ONE camera body. canon's actually had half decent japan success with the EOS-M, it's been a top seller at BCN for months now. I've been watching it at BCN since around July - and it's been floating in the top 10 of cameras, and #1/#2 slot of MILC's since then. it's only been recently that it has not been the #1 MILC in japan.
the lenses canon has developed do not speak to a "pro model" coming out. they have very "rebel" / "comsumer" lenses. expecting anything outside of that is asking for heartache.
and in reality - who's selling "pro" mirrorless anyways? if you look at amazon is the A7's really selling, Fuji's? in any great quantities? not really. not even on BCN.
cheap and small sell for MILC's - just look at amazon japan's top 5 list.
It would be odd for canon to do anything outside of create "rebel" tiers, by pushing the M and M2 down further for prices, and adding in a slightly higher specced M3 - with really the same ergonomics.
Do they need to? yes. the only MILC's that even sell in amazon japan are hugely cost slashed (from sony, panasonic, olympus and canon). that's not going to stop, so canon's going to need to push the M2 down to the same cost level of the M, discontinue the M and continue.
it's also only been a year since the M2 - that also isn't much time for drastic changes to the architecture. Even if they evaluated the success or lack thereof of the original M we're only talking 2 years to adjust their strategy. that's not exactly alot of time.
if canon continue to play the size game, highly unlikely they'll get an EVF, flash, hotshoe AND current 3:2 LCD, the EF-M mount all in the same form factor. they may get a micro flash in there aka .. the G1X Mark II - and add an EVF externally. Would that make sense? I can hear the crying already - but it would keep the form factor and the base cost down so that in a year - this model can be cost cut down too.
Do they need a bigger model? think SL1 form factor, with grip, better ergos, etc. Yes. but that really is a different beast all together.
if this is an M3, I'd expect the 70D sensor, some faster AF algorithms, wifi of course. maybe the G7X styled screen. if we're really lucky the G7X control dial, maybe built in flash and EVF accessory.
I'd be happy with that as a iteration. I'd be thrilled if we get more - but in reality .. canon isn't looking at competing with anyone right now, they are looking at building out a system slowly that actually makes sense.
assuming this is just ONE camera body. canon's actually had half decent japan success with the EOS-M, it's been a top seller at BCN for months now. I've been watching it at BCN since around July - and it's been floating in the top 10 of cameras, and #1/#2 slot of MILC's since then. it's only been recently that it has not been the #1 MILC in japan.
the lenses canon has developed do not speak to a "pro model" coming out. they have very "rebel" / "comsumer" lenses. expecting anything outside of that is asking for heartache.
and in reality - who's selling "pro" mirrorless anyways? if you look at amazon is the A7's really selling, Fuji's? in any great quantities? not really. not even on BCN.
cheap and small sell for MILC's - just look at amazon japan's top 5 list.
It would be odd for canon to do anything outside of create "rebel" tiers, by pushing the M and M2 down further for prices, and adding in a slightly higher specced M3 - with really the same ergonomics.
Do they need to? yes. the only MILC's that even sell in amazon japan are hugely cost slashed (from sony, panasonic, olympus and canon). that's not going to stop, so canon's going to need to push the M2 down to the same cost level of the M, discontinue the M and continue.
it's also only been a year since the M2 - that also isn't much time for drastic changes to the architecture. Even if they evaluated the success or lack thereof of the original M we're only talking 2 years to adjust their strategy. that's not exactly alot of time.
if canon continue to play the size game, highly unlikely they'll get an EVF, flash, hotshoe AND current 3:2 LCD, the EF-M mount all in the same form factor. they may get a micro flash in there aka .. the G1X Mark II - and add an EVF externally. Would that make sense? I can hear the crying already - but it would keep the form factor and the base cost down so that in a year - this model can be cost cut down too.
Do they need a bigger model? think SL1 form factor, with grip, better ergos, etc. Yes. but that really is a different beast all together.
if this is an M3, I'd expect the 70D sensor, some faster AF algorithms, wifi of course. maybe the G7X styled screen. if we're really lucky the G7X control dial, maybe built in flash and EVF accessory.
I'd be happy with that as a iteration. I'd be thrilled if we get more - but in reality .. canon isn't looking at competing with anyone right now, they are looking at building out a system slowly that actually makes sense.
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jypfoto said:
Steve Jobs said: "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will." For me, that someone else was Olympus. I've already bought my last Canon DSLR, and if Canon doesn't come out with a Pro Mirrrrorless I've already bought my last Canon camera.
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