Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
lots of speculation...
little is known....
lots of speculation...
little is known....
Upvote
0
A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
- Thread starter Canon Rumors Guy
- Start date
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
It seems like both Canon and Nikon want to push FF over crop to consumers. Nikon creates D750 instead of 7Dii direct competitor and Canon may be keeping older sensor tech just for APS-C. Both seem to be emphasizing FF more than ever.
racebit said:
It seems like both Canon and Nikon want to push FF over crop to consumers. Nikon creates D750 instead of 7Dii direct competitor and Canon may be keeping older sensor tech just for APS-C. Both seem to be emphasizing FF more than ever.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
Seriously if this happens, it would be great news. Best of both world.
But this is good clean fun. That is why we are read and comment on this stuff.racebit said:
Seriously if this happens, it would be great news. Best of both world.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
What you say mirror my own thoughts. If it's true that Canon would partner with Sony for sensor technologies, that is.
What you say mirror my own thoughts. If it's true that Canon would partner with Sony for sensor technologies, that is.
gsealy said:
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
Sounds dodgy. If that really was Canon's strategy for products to be announced in the near future, why wouldn't they have already put such a sensor into the recently released 7D II? After all, it does have a likely product life of 3-5 years.
This is more likely to be someone's fantasy sensor, now churning around the rumour mills. However, I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong...
Rather than integrating innovations already out there in the market, I would hope that Canon offers something really interesting and novel in their upcoming flagships.
Canon Rumors said:
Sounds dodgy. If that really was Canon's strategy for products to be announced in the near future, why wouldn't they have already put such a sensor into the recently released 7D II? After all, it does have a likely product life of 3-5 years.
This is more likely to be someone's fantasy sensor, now churning around the rumour mills. However, I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong...
Rather than integrating innovations already out there in the market, I would hope that Canon offers something really interesting and novel in their upcoming flagships.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
With the Emerging Mirrorless market mostly utilizing Micro 4/3 and APS-C sensors to keep the size of the body and lens combinations small, it does make sense to distinguish FF DSLR's as super high resolution beasts with accurate autofocus in any conditions for non compromising Professionals or Enthusiasts.
With the Emerging Mirrorless market mostly utilizing Micro 4/3 and APS-C sensors to keep the size of the body and lens combinations small, it does make sense to distinguish FF DSLR's as super high resolution beasts with accurate autofocus in any conditions for non compromising Professionals or Enthusiasts.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
Didnt Canon like, just build a new chip foundry? So they set them selves up to build chips, just to start outsourcing those chips?
Didnt Canon like, just build a new chip foundry? So they set them selves up to build chips, just to start outsourcing those chips?
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
Why does the manufacturer of the sensor in a more-expensive/full frame/likely not optimized for fast action have any impact on how current a less-expensive/APS-C/optimized for fast action is?
Does the 7D2 outdate the 70D?
If it were a rumored Sony/Canon crop camera with a similar pricing, framerate, and AF system, then yes, that would outdate the 7D2.
Personally, I find it unlikely that Sony would be able to tool for DPAF sensors that quickly unless they were involved in the development of the 70D.
racebit said:
Why does the manufacturer of the sensor in a more-expensive/full frame/likely not optimized for fast action have any impact on how current a less-expensive/APS-C/optimized for fast action is?
Does the 7D2 outdate the 70D?
If it were a rumored Sony/Canon crop camera with a similar pricing, framerate, and AF system, then yes, that would outdate the 7D2.
Personally, I find it unlikely that Sony would be able to tool for DPAF sensors that quickly unless they were involved in the development of the 70D.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
If this is all true which is yet to be seen, negotiations with Sony on cross-licensing patents may have been going on for quite some time, maybe even for the past two years that wouldn't be unusual. Meanwhile the 7D2 was long overdue so Canon released it with what they had knowing they will then release a "5Ds" with a 50+ MP sensor that's even better. There are any number of scenarios that could explain it.
Machaon said:
If this is all true which is yet to be seen, negotiations with Sony on cross-licensing patents may have been going on for quite some time, maybe even for the past two years that wouldn't be unusual. Meanwhile the 7D2 was long overdue so Canon released it with what they had knowing they will then release a "5Ds" with a 50+ MP sensor that's even better. There are any number of scenarios that could explain it.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
I think the 7D mkII was in development perhaps 3 years ago and making such a change would probably delay production for yet another year. Besides, I don't think 14 stops of Dynamic Range at ISO 100 was a technical target for this camera. The 7Dii is niche and does what it's designed to do and does it better than any other camera body out there.
I'm not sure it has any true competitor at the moment so why not put just a very good sensor (instead of the Best sensor) in there if it won't affect your primary technical targets and keep costs down.
Mirrorless sporty cameras like the A6000 and NX-1 can shoot sports but they don't have the telephoto lens selections the 7D has and adaptors just won't cut it.
Machaon said:
I think the 7D mkII was in development perhaps 3 years ago and making such a change would probably delay production for yet another year. Besides, I don't think 14 stops of Dynamic Range at ISO 100 was a technical target for this camera. The 7Dii is niche and does what it's designed to do and does it better than any other camera body out there.
I'm not sure it has any true competitor at the moment so why not put just a very good sensor (instead of the Best sensor) in there if it won't affect your primary technical targets and keep costs down.
Mirrorless sporty cameras like the A6000 and NX-1 can shoot sports but they don't have the telephoto lens selections the 7D has and adaptors just won't cut it.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
Canon has a history of releasing a product just before a new appropriate sensor is out. Look at the M. It screams for a dual pixel sensor. But they pushed it out the door before the DP was ready. Very likely the same thing happened with the 7D2. Canon wanted to recoup the development of the 7D2 instead of waiting to long. If this rumor is true then 7D3 will come in a year.
Canon has a history of releasing a product just before a new appropriate sensor is out. Look at the M. It screams for a dual pixel sensor. But they pushed it out the door before the DP was ready. Very likely the same thing happened with the 7D2. Canon wanted to recoup the development of the 7D2 instead of waiting to long. If this rumor is true then 7D3 will come in a year.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
Even if taken with a salt truck, this makes sense from a business point of view. It's probably added value for Canon to outsource the manufacturing because they don't have to dedicate manufacturing resources, and for Sony it's likely an interesting business proposition given their current state of affairs. Technically it also makes sense to take advantage of Sony's expertise. I can personally vouch for the quality of their sensors because the a6000 delivers stunning image quality and low shadow noise.
Even if taken with a salt truck, this makes sense from a business point of view. It's probably added value for Canon to outsource the manufacturing because they don't have to dedicate manufacturing resources, and for Sony it's likely an interesting business proposition given their current state of affairs. Technically it also makes sense to take advantage of Sony's expertise. I can personally vouch for the quality of their sensors because the a6000 delivers stunning image quality and low shadow noise.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
This was kind of my thinking as well. It has been my understanding that the 7D2, with it's latest greatest crop sensor tech, has gotten within about a stop from the 5D3 in high ISO, noise department. And that the noise on this sensor, at least compared to previous crops, is much more pleasing, easier to cleanup, etc. If you used this same sensor/tech on a full frame, what would that boost be compared to a current 5D? At least a stop better then current 5D/6D, correct?
And that's just noise discussion. The 7D "fixed" a lot of the banding issues, improved colors, etc. to just make a very solid crop sensor. I know many people in the other thread have said if this new high MP is just an upscaled 7D sensor they would be very disappointed. But in my mind, I'd think it would be a pretty good upgrade to Canon's current FF sensors.
racebit said:
This was kind of my thinking as well. It has been my understanding that the 7D2, with it's latest greatest crop sensor tech, has gotten within about a stop from the 5D3 in high ISO, noise department. And that the noise on this sensor, at least compared to previous crops, is much more pleasing, easier to cleanup, etc. If you used this same sensor/tech on a full frame, what would that boost be compared to a current 5D? At least a stop better then current 5D/6D, correct?
And that's just noise discussion. The 7D "fixed" a lot of the banding issues, improved colors, etc. to just make a very solid crop sensor. I know many people in the other thread have said if this new high MP is just an upscaled 7D sensor they would be very disappointed. But in my mind, I'd think it would be a pretty good upgrade to Canon's current FF sensors.
Upvote
0
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
7 years ago I think.
IglooEater said:
7 years ago I think.
Upvote
0
tomscott
Photographer & Graphic Designer
Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
It's all very exciting! I just want to see Canon get back on top again. Not sure using Sony sensors would do that? They are last generation and surely have a new one in the pipeline... I think the Canon system is better than Nikon but using the same sensor won't temp in the same way and instead will turn into a lens race.
Sony aren't exactly doing brilliant although their camera segment is interesting by implementing a song sensor and if song ends up in trouble then what?
It's all very exciting! I just want to see Canon get back on top again. Not sure using Sony sensors would do that? They are last generation and surely have a new one in the pipeline... I think the Canon system is better than Nikon but using the same sensor won't temp in the same way and instead will turn into a lens race.
Sony aren't exactly doing brilliant although their camera segment is interesting by implementing a song sensor and if song ends up in trouble then what?
Upvote
0
Similar threads
