Another 50mp FF DSLR Mention [CR2]

[LetTheRightLensIn]

what about sensor quality

Indeed. Personally I'd be more excited by a 24MP high DR sensor than the same old, same old 50MP sensor.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The 5D MK IV will have high 20s MP (maybe around 28 MP) , 5 FPS, Low Light close to the 1 DX MK II and AF around what the 7d MK II is

D810 already does 36MP at 5fps and 6fps at 25MP and 7fps at 14MP and it'll will already have been out for a while so why the 5D4 dropping slower than the 5D3? just to get like 4-5 more MP after all these years?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

<p>The world continues to wait for Canon to jump back into the resolution race,

i kind of doubt the world is

it's possible - the 7DII sensor scaled up would be 51.2Mp - close enough to 50Mp to call it spades.

the noise and response on a per pixel basis would be at the same as the 7DII with the obvious increase of image quality.

the 7DII going by sensorgen is a quantum leap up for canon - and well, is pretty top notch overall for QE. they still need to tame the low ISO beast so that people stop whining.

the 18Mp sensors were rolling around 40% QE, the latest with the 7DII - an impressive 59%.

The new sensorgen data was not correctly calculated, it's all random, I mean some old Nikon DSLR have better than 100% ;D : so most doubt the 59% for the 7D2.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

you know, a quick google would have told you how silly your post is. 5D was replaced in 3 years, 5dII in 3.5 years...

sept 2015 (next year) would be .. what? 3.5 years.

Silly is thinking 5D4 will be 2015.
The 50MP is just a scaled dual pixel 7D2 sensor.
So 2015 is 1D2 and 50MP.
5D4 is 2016 if all goes well, but it may slip to 2017.
Canon took 5 years to replace the 7D, when it was completely obsolete, even the 70D was better.
5D3 is still the king, so I don't see it being replaced any time soon.

Wow so you really think Canon should wait til 2017 for the 5D4? With D800 out there for years by then and even the D810 getting replaced around then perhaps just about?
And with 4k coming out all over?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

That may be, but people that own Canon aren't going to wait another 2 years for a 5D Mark III replacement. Instead, next year they'll be buying Sony's latest thing and selling off Canon.

YAPODFC. Yawn.

If the 7D Mark II's sensor is the best demonstration of where Canon's sensor technology is at then I'm not going to wait for a full frame version of that sensor because Canon haven't fixed the read noise problem at low ISO.

Wow, that sucks for all those people using Canon sensors and shooting at low ISO. How do they ever manage to take a good picture, get images accepted by clients or published in magazines, win prestigious awards, or anything like that?

Hey why don't you jsut sell all your current gear and go get a 1960s camera. People won prestigious awards and got images accepted back then too.

Hello and goodbye.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Odds are they will run their older production lines as soon as they can sell these sensors.

that statement makes no sense.

I admire the skillfull argumentation on your side. Would you care to elaborate further?

If you'd be the Canon CEO, you'd close down every older production line as soon as a new tech is available that cannot be implemented as an in-place upgrade? Well, you're company wouldn't be in business for long

Btw: Is it just me, or are fewer and fewer people actually attempting to have a civilized conversation around here? If it continues this way, I hope Canon won't release anything new for the next years as any new release seems to legitimize rudeness.

Actually you should hope for the opposite, that they release a lot and good stuff soon. Then the forum will become civilized as those who want more DR and more MP and 4k and so on and so forth will have it and those who claimed that none of that stuff matters will be able to crow about how it is all amazing and utterly critical (now that Canon has it/leads) and all the rudeness will go away (at least within the Canon forums, the fanboys will then go troll Nikon forums and the like).

 

[Loswr]

My point is: popular lenses like 24-70L1/2.8, 100mm macros/2.8 aren't group A - other popular budget choices like the 400/5.6 have a lot less cross-points which is about on par with the d750. Thus general statements are difficult with the Canon system while Nikon really just depends on the max. aperture up to 11 cross points at f8 (5d3: 1 (one)).

Which would you prefer – a simpler system like Nikon's AF with essentially a fixed number of points and crosses, or a more complex system like Canon's, where with faster lenses you gain benefits like more cross-type points and greater accuracy and precision?

Oh, and if you choose the 'simpler' Nikon AF system, don't forget your concordance list to know which lenses can AF on which bodies...

 

[Loswr]

If the 7D Mark II's sensor is the best demonstration of where Canon's sensor technology is at then I'm not going to wait for a full frame version of that sensor because Canon haven't fixed the read noise problem at low ISO.

Wow, that sucks for all those people using Canon sensors and shooting at low ISO. How do they ever manage to take a good picture, get images accepted by clients or published in magazines, win prestigious awards, or anything like that?

Hey why don't you jsut sell all your current gear and go get a 1960s camera. People won prestigious awards and got images accepted back then too.

Back then, in the past? We're talking about today. Your implication is that current Canon sensors are not capable of delivering publication or award-winning images today. That implication is totally asinine and only serves to make you look silly. But thanks for sharing your opinion.

 

[Don Haines]

Hey why don't you jsut sell all your current gear and go get a 1960s camera. People won prestigious awards and got images accepted back then too.

I just wish they would scale up the 7D2 sensor to use on a back for an 8X10 camera. 49640x62050 pixels.... 3.077gigapixels... 16GB raw files.... back to the good old days.... take a picture, put in a new card, take another picture, put in another card.... head back home, load it onto the computer and 3 hours later, see if it was any good..... I miss the good old days

 

[NancyP]

Don, they still are making film........ maybe not the abundant variety as in the distant past, but still, there are good 4 x 5 films around, and if you want 8 x 10 or larger, you join a buyer's club organized by Badger (a LF equipment store) or an individual.

 

[Don Haines]

Don, they still are making film........ maybe not the abundant variety as in the distant past, but still, there are good 4 x 5 films around, and if you want 8 x 10 or larger, you join a buyer's club organized by Badger (a LF equipment store) or an individual.

For some strange reason, I still have rolls of Kodachrome64 in the freezer..... but the darkroom and enlarger are long gone.... I am not going back to shooting film, for me, those days are gone

 

[jeffa4444]

So much talk about sensors must be a lot of people deeply disappointed with their photography. Personally for 90% of the time the 6d gives me great IQ for landscape. I'm really only after dynamic range improvement not resolution or colorimagery per se. 12 stops is not enough at least 14 with the bias towards highlights in motion picture the Alexa already provides this.

 

[PVS]

It's a pity how talk got polarized in last year on this forum, it's like a fascism mindset "either you're with us or you're against us!".
If people don't see any room for improvement in certain areas than there won't be any. The reason why we got excellent AF in bodies such as 5dmk3 and 1dx is because people constantly complained. But even when you know fire feeds fire it's still sad to see intelligent people get polarised like that and dig their heads in the sand.

RIP FakeChuckWestfall.

 

[Loswr]

If people don't see any room for improvement in certain areas than there won't be any.

Hmmmm...I haven't really seen many people, if any, deny room for improvement. But there is a significant difference between 'it would be great if Canon improved their sensors' and 'Canon is stuck in the dark ages of technology, their sensors produce poor and unacceptable image quality, and the company is doomed because they are failing to innovate'.

 

[CvH]

I didn't look into the d750 specs and I'm not in the market for one, but you do notice that the full-fledged 5d3/1dx af array is only available with some select new and expensive lenses?

Yeah, new and expensive lenses like the EF 50mm f/1.8 II and the EF 35mm f/2, both from 1990 and one of them costing just over $100. I guess you didn't look into the 5DIII/1D X specs much, either. :

LOL, you've made your point - I can use the full 1dx af array with a 50/1.8 ;-)

My point is: popular lenses like 24-70L1/2.8, 100mm macros/2.8 aren't group A - other popular budget choices like the 400/5.6 have a lot less cross-points which is about on par with the d750. Thus general statements are difficult with the Canon system while Nikon really just depends on the max. aperture up to 11 cross points at f8 (5d3: 1 (one)).

The 5D III has a total of 20 high-precision off-center cross-type points for EF lenses with maximum apertures of f/4 or larger.

Reference: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Comparisons/Canon-EOS-7D-II-1D-X-5D-III-AF-Comparison.aspx

 

[Loswr]

Thank you for pointing outside of in certain select situations, such as sports and wildlife photography, there's no reason to buy Canon.

Good try. Actually, pretty pathetic...but I thought I'd start by saying something nice.

Well consider that reviewers everywhere are now generally panning Canon when it comes to their DSLRs and especially the sensor.

Really? Reviewers everywhere? You need to read more widely.

I'd prefer a system which gave me the same AF performance with every lens because then I'm not faced with having to make any compromises.

Even if that AF performance was less accurate and precise than it could be with faster lenses? That's a pretty big compromise you'd be making for that 'same AF performance'. Oh, and speaking of same AF performance with every lens, every Canon lens that mounts directly on a Canon dSLR will autofocus. Will every Nikon lens that mounts directly on a Nikon dSLR autofocus? More compromises...

And I'd prefer my AF to work at -3EV rather than to have a select few AF sensors work better with f/2.8 or faster lenses.

A select few working better with f/2.8 lenses. 20 AF points working better with f/4 lenses. As for -3 EV, do you often find yourself shooting with settings such as, for example, 1/15 s, f/2.8, ISO 102400? In many cases, settings consistent with -3 EV do not produce usable images.

But that's just me.

Yes, just you. Someone who clearly has a poor grasp of facts where dSLRs and lenses are concerned.

 

[TeT]

What kind of people wonder around taking pictures in the dark with teleconverters?

Nikon's is more rewarding if you're using teleconverters with your lens or you're focusing in very low light situations (-3EV on the D750.)

 

[asmundma]

And even if I went with a Sony body (looking at A7S for video) I'm not ditching Canon glass. No way. God Bless Metabones.

I got an a7s for video (mostly school plays), and had my first chance to use it last week.

It is literally unbelievable how good it is. I recorded some auditions at ISO 1000, F/4.0, 1/50th, and the image quality is outstanding. I used the Metabones adapter version IV, the Canon 70-200mm II IS, and the Canon 1.4x extender.

Simultaneously, I had my new 7D2 going at similar settings. The constant auto-focus is great, but the picture is mushier.

I love the a7s for video.

I did the same, canon video is now scrap on the DSRLs.

 

[Woody]

Thank you for pointing outside of in certain select situations, such as sports and wildlife photography, there's no reason to buy Canon.

Other situations may also include (a) spontaneous photos of active kids (b) macro photos of relatively active insects (e.g. in the summer or tropical countries). Personally, MILC offerings do not offer the solutions I want either because of the response time of EVF or limited macro lens solutions (let me know when you find a MILC macro lens with equivalent f > 150 mm).

So, apart from relatively inactive subjects and landscape photos, I cannot find enough reasons to buy non-Canikon stuff.

 

[Woody]

Whereas Canon currently makes it better for you if you've bought expensive (large aperture) lenses, Nikon's is more rewarding if you're using teleconverters with your lens or you're focusing in very low light situations (-3EV on the D750.)

Errr... the 6D and 7D2 also AF at -3 eV... just a matter of time when all the single digit Canon DSLRs AF at -3 eV.