Any oil spatter on the 1DX mkll?
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I have not seen any my 1Dxmk2. I have been shooting Basketball and Soccer with it. Lots of 14fps bursts and no oil.
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R1-7D said:
So yes i would think that some mechanical issues could spray lubricant so that was a good call. In most cases, lubricant spots wont affect an image that much and can be reduced by using the built in dust reduction. The real problem comes during a sensor clean. If not done correctly the lubricant can smear and leave streaks after cleaning. Generally it might take two or three cleanings to completely remove the contaminents. If the techs are not careful enough they can miss it. Ive had great experiences with canon cleanings (free for cps members) and ive had cleanings done at shows by midwest. One sensor on my old 5d3 they had to clean several times and used a microscope to analyze the surface. They did it right and i was happy with their effort.
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Old topic, but still relevant for those considering purchasing a 1DX Mark II.
These are all from different 1DX Mark II cameras. I've collected 34 different 1DX Mark II cameras' files and they all exhibit the same oil splatter in the upper left corner of the frame.
I've sent my findings to both Canon Canada and CanonUSA. I've also been in contact with Arthur Morris, one of the original Canon Explorers of Light, who has been doing battle with CanonUSA over the same issue. They've just agreed to replace his whole camera with a brand new unit. Several other professionals over in the UK, Netherlands, and Germany have also been in discussions with Canon over the same thing too, and have either already gone through several camera replacements, or have had botched cleanings.
Some people will say this is normal for 1D cameras, or that people should learn to clean their own sensors. These people are full of BS. This is not something that should be considered normal, and cleaning your own 1DX Mark II sensor comes with a massive risk and a huge repair bill if anything goes wrong. Also, these damn cameras need cleaning 10x as often as any other Canon camera too, thus increasing risk. It only takes a few hundred shots on burst to get the sensors back to this condition.
If you are one of those individuals who think this is the norm, then whatever; glad you're enjoying your camera.
For everyone else, I'll just leave these here for any prospective purchasers, or any current owners out there displeased with the amount of crud on their sensors.
https://m.facebook.com/david.pattyn.50/posts/1963109727262418?pnref=story
http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/2017/03/07/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-oil-spatter-on-the-sensor-problems/
These are all from different 1DX Mark II cameras. I've collected 34 different 1DX Mark II cameras' files and they all exhibit the same oil splatter in the upper left corner of the frame.
I've sent my findings to both Canon Canada and CanonUSA. I've also been in contact with Arthur Morris, one of the original Canon Explorers of Light, who has been doing battle with CanonUSA over the same issue. They've just agreed to replace his whole camera with a brand new unit. Several other professionals over in the UK, Netherlands, and Germany have also been in discussions with Canon over the same thing too, and have either already gone through several camera replacements, or have had botched cleanings.
Some people will say this is normal for 1D cameras, or that people should learn to clean their own sensors. These people are full of BS. This is not something that should be considered normal, and cleaning your own 1DX Mark II sensor comes with a massive risk and a huge repair bill if anything goes wrong. Also, these damn cameras need cleaning 10x as often as any other Canon camera too, thus increasing risk. It only takes a few hundred shots on burst to get the sensors back to this condition.
If you are one of those individuals who think this is the norm, then whatever; glad you're enjoying your camera.
For everyone else, I'll just leave these here for any prospective purchasers, or any current owners out there displeased with the amount of crud on their sensors.
https://m.facebook.com/david.pattyn.50/posts/1963109727262418?pnref=story
http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/2017/03/07/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-oil-spatter-on-the-sensor-problems/
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I call mine "old oily" but she is a beast, a frame eating beast, I just love this camera. I love my 5D4 but the 1DX2 this week for me has been a beast, with focus priority, BBF, Servo focus this thing just rips, it gets shots I never thought existed, oil issues aside I am proud to own such a camera, but, I get you 100% and my issues were posted on here the day the 1DX2 came out.
I don't go out to look for sensor issues on my 1DX2 or any other body tbh, if I see issues on my shots I will address them, but my (number three) 1DX2 has been problem free, I did have a couple of pre order bodies that had dust on the sensor, only seen at f22 but Canon replaced them from new (well Wex UK did after talking to CPS) my problem is I just can't part with the camera, I did early on say sod it, got my money back and moved on, but then a month without it I gave in and got another, eat some humble pie and went out shooting. Shame you've had such ongoing issues, I'd fear checking mine stopped down!
edit: I just remembered I did change the focus screen on mine as it had specs of dust on, they would not shift with a blower so rather the hassle I just changed it for a new one, dust gone from the viewfinder and life is good again. I hate dust, even one bit haha
I don't go out to look for sensor issues on my 1DX2 or any other body tbh, if I see issues on my shots I will address them, but my (number three) 1DX2 has been problem free, I did have a couple of pre order bodies that had dust on the sensor, only seen at f22 but Canon replaced them from new (well Wex UK did after talking to CPS) my problem is I just can't part with the camera, I did early on say sod it, got my money back and moved on, but then a month without it I gave in and got another, eat some humble pie and went out shooting. Shame you've had such ongoing issues, I'd fear checking mine stopped down!
edit: I just remembered I did change the focus screen on mine as it had specs of dust on, they would not shift with a blower so rather the hassle I just changed it for a new one, dust gone from the viewfinder and life is good again. I hate dust, even one bit haha
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R1-7D said:
As usual you are misinterpreting my opinion. My point is I agree it shouldn't happen, but in my experience dust makes more of an impact on my images and collects far faster so I have to clean the sensor myself anyway to get rid of that, in doing so I mitigate any 'issues' splatter might have.
I have run 1 series cameras for many years, some have had recalls over splatter, I have never sent them in because my regular cleaning cycle to take care of dust makes splatter a complete non issue.
I see my cameras as tools not faultless objets d'art. I don't care too much when they get scratched or dirty because of the way I perceive their function. I can understand people who see their camera differently but have little sympathy for people who treat industrial tools with any reverence.
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Scott, on the 1D4 I had there was oil and I bought the Visible Dust cleaning kit for oil to clean it. I'd previously cleaned dust using their regular product on my 6D with decent results so I tackled the 1D4. I went through so many swabbings I couldn't believe it and ended up with mediocre results. Should I have been streak free or was I too fussy? That experience makes me shy away from the 1DX2.
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Don't look, i.e don't shoot f22 ;D I'm not poking fun at anyone's issues but I find ignorance is bliss :-X
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arthurbikemad said:
How many 1 series cameras are regularly used at f22? Not using that as an excuse for something that shouldn't happen, just interested in who is taking those kinds of image compromises where nothing is as sharp as it could be. I'd rather focus stack than shoot diffraction impacted images.
I shoot studio portraits at f5.6 or 8 for ultimate sharpness.
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I have had some issues with what I believe is oil splatter on my 1DXII. It is my only complaint about it. It isn’t too bad. I have been able to clean it with a sensor stick, but it takes quite an effort. Luckily it seems that the oil splatter doesn’t come back as quickly anymore. I haven’t noticed any new splatter since this summer. My copy is 12,5 months old, with 18000 shutter actuations. I really hope it is a problem that goes away with time and use.
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Sorry for my bad english, itsn ot
I have mine for half a year now - no kind of spots on the sensor.
But there is just SO much wrong with the camera, I realy cant recommend it. The ONLY reason you may have could be: you NEED 14fps (which is REALY a lot and in realitily barely ever necessary). Or you NEED the 4k60fps with only 1,3 crop.
In EVERYTHING else the 5d IV is the better camera in my opinion. Realy, everything.
I used both on a wedding and on video - the 5d is just better in everything (but not in 4k, there it is useless).
IQ: higher resolution on the 5d, same(!) Noise and DR, even with the MUCH higher resolution. Its just better, no way to state it differently.
AF: Its the same system, the 1d is a little bit better in realy low light, but thats not a game changer.
Useability:
Its just so much better on the 5d. The Touch is implemented great. Its limited on the 1d for no apparent reason
(I get it that pros think they are only pros without these "consumer"tools. But there is NO reason to not have at the least the option of the touch input in the menu or to move the picture if you zoom into it in review-mode.)
-The Wheel on the top is MUCH faster to change the mode than the "button-press-cycle system" on the 1d. It takes so much time and you have to take a close look at the display. On the 5d you have a haptic feedback and can change the mode without even looking.
-The bottom Display is a complete waste of space (it shows ALLWAYS your filetype and folder - an info I NEVER need since I dont use folders. It could have been used for exposure or maybe even audio levels... but no, its just a complete waste)
- the display light button is impossible to reach and the light only works for 5 seconds (making the bottom display even more useless)
NO WLAN on the 1d (WTF???) you need a big device for 500$ for that.
NO INTERVALLOMETER on the 1d (WTF WTF WTF ????)
NO WORKING HDMI OUT!!!!!!! (Thats the worst for me - Canon CPR can NOT fix it! If you use it, the camera crahsed randomly, this is a known issue on the web!) And off course no 4k hdmi out.
The AC Adapter for studio-work costs 500$! Is this a joke Canon? A sony A7 offers simply a USB-C powered mode. And you expect me to pay 500 bugs for a CABLE?
NO significant battery advantage - I used them both in pretty parallel usage on a 12h day - the 5d was in fact even better in terms of battery (maybe I used the display a bit less - but its still a 20$ third party battery versus a GIANT 150$ canon battery - and the canon battery did NOT give any impressive perfomance!)
And of course the 1D is MUCH bigger and weighs a ton - its also MUCH louder which can be a problem on weddings. The Viewfinder is not that much better compared to the 5d. The 5d is also just build like a tank, I dont think it would make a big difference in sturdiness (my 1d even hat a broken mini-joystick when I got it, something that never happened to my 5ds...)
All in all there is just ONE reason I keep it: the crop of the 5d IV in 4k is nealry 1,8. This makes it completely useless for video work in my field, since I cant get any wide angled shots in 4k. Its a disgrace for canon to cripple the once best video-dslr-camera (5d II was a gamechanger) to a useless brick with a useless crop.
I REALY hope canon makes a 5dC - a camera that brings back the glory of the 5d II. Otherwise I am realy tempted to switch to sony... the video department is realy so far behind on canon. The image of the 1d is great in 4k - but there are SO many shortcomings that make the work difficult....
I have mine for half a year now - no kind of spots on the sensor.
But there is just SO much wrong with the camera, I realy cant recommend it. The ONLY reason you may have could be: you NEED 14fps (which is REALY a lot and in realitily barely ever necessary). Or you NEED the 4k60fps with only 1,3 crop.
In EVERYTHING else the 5d IV is the better camera in my opinion. Realy, everything.
I used both on a wedding and on video - the 5d is just better in everything (but not in 4k, there it is useless).
IQ: higher resolution on the 5d, same(!) Noise and DR, even with the MUCH higher resolution. Its just better, no way to state it differently.
AF: Its the same system, the 1d is a little bit better in realy low light, but thats not a game changer.
Useability:
Its just so much better on the 5d. The Touch is implemented great. Its limited on the 1d for no apparent reason
(I get it that pros think they are only pros without these "consumer"tools. But there is NO reason to not have at the least the option of the touch input in the menu or to move the picture if you zoom into it in review-mode.)
-The Wheel on the top is MUCH faster to change the mode than the "button-press-cycle system" on the 1d. It takes so much time and you have to take a close look at the display. On the 5d you have a haptic feedback and can change the mode without even looking.
-The bottom Display is a complete waste of space (it shows ALLWAYS your filetype and folder - an info I NEVER need since I dont use folders. It could have been used for exposure or maybe even audio levels... but no, its just a complete waste)
- the display light button is impossible to reach and the light only works for 5 seconds (making the bottom display even more useless)
NO WLAN on the 1d (WTF???) you need a big device for 500$ for that.
NO INTERVALLOMETER on the 1d (WTF WTF WTF ????)
NO WORKING HDMI OUT!!!!!!! (Thats the worst for me - Canon CPR can NOT fix it! If you use it, the camera crahsed randomly, this is a known issue on the web!) And off course no 4k hdmi out.
The AC Adapter for studio-work costs 500$! Is this a joke Canon? A sony A7 offers simply a USB-C powered mode. And you expect me to pay 500 bugs for a CABLE?
NO significant battery advantage - I used them both in pretty parallel usage on a 12h day - the 5d was in fact even better in terms of battery (maybe I used the display a bit less - but its still a 20$ third party battery versus a GIANT 150$ canon battery - and the canon battery did NOT give any impressive perfomance!)
And of course the 1D is MUCH bigger and weighs a ton - its also MUCH louder which can be a problem on weddings. The Viewfinder is not that much better compared to the 5d. The 5d is also just build like a tank, I dont think it would make a big difference in sturdiness (my 1d even hat a broken mini-joystick when I got it, something that never happened to my 5ds...)
All in all there is just ONE reason I keep it: the crop of the 5d IV in 4k is nealry 1,8. This makes it completely useless for video work in my field, since I cant get any wide angled shots in 4k. Its a disgrace for canon to cripple the once best video-dslr-camera (5d II was a gamechanger) to a useless brick with a useless crop.
I REALY hope canon makes a 5dC - a camera that brings back the glory of the 5d II. Otherwise I am realy tempted to switch to sony... the video department is realy so far behind on canon. The image of the 1d is great in 4k - but there are SO many shortcomings that make the work difficult....
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peters, you make a lot of valid points. I also think Canon should be embarrassed relative to the "what it could have been". For me the 14 fps was a big draw for action wildlife but the AF can't track that action if you're not panning. Doing it over I'd likely go 5D4 but would still miss some of the features (especially the lighted AF points) and I really want to use the 4k 60 video in the future so that swayed me after holding off until the 5D4 was announced.
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It's not a flop, but Peters' criticisms are valid. I own both the 1DxII and the 5DIV and everything he says is correct.
There just isn't that much that differentiates the top models these days. I shoot a lot of sports and need the high frame rate of the 1DxII. But, if I didn't need that high frame rate, the 5DIV would provide everything I need.
Canon really should fix the crippled touch screen on the 1DxII (and while I dislike the use of the term, in this case it is accurate). Since the 1DxII already has touch screen capability for live view autofocus, the hardware is already in place and there is no reason why a firmware fix couldn't add full touch screen capability.
There just isn't that much that differentiates the top models these days. I shoot a lot of sports and need the high frame rate of the 1DxII. But, if I didn't need that high frame rate, the 5DIV would provide everything I need.
Canon really should fix the crippled touch screen on the 1DxII (and while I dislike the use of the term, in this case it is accurate). Since the 1DxII already has touch screen capability for live view autofocus, the hardware is already in place and there is no reason why a firmware fix couldn't add full touch screen capability.
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I wonder if "peters" has used any other names...Remarkably articulate first post rant. Triggered by a discussion of oil spatter? Right... 
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I've got a few comments, first, Canon have never used the 1 series as a test bed, historically that has always been the 'lower' order cameras just look at the 1V vs EOS 3 with the eye focus as the perfect example.
Second, anybody that bitches about a cameras specs when they are a known entity when you buy it is kinda stupid. If the specs are not what you want don't buy it, if they are available but come with a Sony or Nikon badge above the lens mount so what? If it's what you personally need get it.
Third, the 1 DX MkII is not meant to be the best at everything or offer every feature available on every camera in the Canon range, it is meant to be the very best for some people, predominantly professionals, that use their cameras heavily and value reliability and durability above many other 'features', for those users the limited HDMI out/4K external recording is not important enough to be a concern, neither is control layout that they have been used to since the T90 from 1986 and solidified in 1989 on the EOS 1.
For the vast majority of users the 5D MkIV is the 'better' camera and Canon know and market it like that purposefully. The 1 series is supposed to be a finely honed niche camera that places intangible features far higher than spec sheet pissing contests.
As a long term 1 series user I bought two and couldn't be happier, if the specs had not been what I was looking for, as they weren't in the 1D MkIV or 1DX, I wouldn't have bought them.
if I want WLAN I use my CamRanger, if I want LAN I use the LAN port.
If I want an intervalometer I use the CamRanger or the RS-80-N3 that has worked on every 1 series I have owned since my 1VHS's (or I could buy a $5 copy).
HDMI out, if I wanted a video centric camera I'd buy one.
AC adapter? I use the one that came with one of my 1DS MkIII's, you can buy them new for under $100 (eBay for even less), close to the cost of a decent USB-C cable.
Second, anybody that bitches about a cameras specs when they are a known entity when you buy it is kinda stupid. If the specs are not what you want don't buy it, if they are available but come with a Sony or Nikon badge above the lens mount so what? If it's what you personally need get it.
Third, the 1 DX MkII is not meant to be the best at everything or offer every feature available on every camera in the Canon range, it is meant to be the very best for some people, predominantly professionals, that use their cameras heavily and value reliability and durability above many other 'features', for those users the limited HDMI out/4K external recording is not important enough to be a concern, neither is control layout that they have been used to since the T90 from 1986 and solidified in 1989 on the EOS 1.
For the vast majority of users the 5D MkIV is the 'better' camera and Canon know and market it like that purposefully. The 1 series is supposed to be a finely honed niche camera that places intangible features far higher than spec sheet pissing contests.
As a long term 1 series user I bought two and couldn't be happier, if the specs had not been what I was looking for, as they weren't in the 1D MkIV or 1DX, I wouldn't have bought them.
if I want WLAN I use my CamRanger, if I want LAN I use the LAN port.
If I want an intervalometer I use the CamRanger or the RS-80-N3 that has worked on every 1 series I have owned since my 1VHS's (or I could buy a $5 copy).
HDMI out, if I wanted a video centric camera I'd buy one.
AC adapter? I use the one that came with one of my 1DS MkIII's, you can buy them new for under $100 (eBay for even less), close to the cost of a decent USB-C cable.
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privatebydesign said:
No one shoots f22, it was a tongue in cheek comment.
I have no issue with my 1DX2, its awesome!
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Agree 100% Never owned any 5 series but I borrowed one for a day at a CPS event and loved it. Long term 1 series user but if 5 series was the only option, i would have no complaints. Apart from the frame rate.....unfocused said:
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