Big Megapixel Development Announcement in the Fall? [CR2]

[Don Haines]

Well.. It is not going to be cheap, that's for sure. But as long as it brings a serious bump in dynamic range, I'll pay the 'early adoption fee'. ;D

Wait wait. What happened to the 70d?? Let's worry about that before we get into any other products. It seems 70D rumors just stopped.

Nobody cares.

Buy a 60D.

I care. What comes on the 70D will give clues to what comes on the 7D2, and the 7D2 will probably be the debut of the technology that comes out on a high megapixel camera. And I already have a 60D

 

[DarkKnightNine]

Maybe by then, Intel will have a superfast processor and SATA express will be out. Current SSD's are limited by SATA III to about 500mb/sec, and huge image files take a lot of time to process.
At least Canon has options for sraw that you can select when you don't want full blown resolution. With the D800, you get those huge files every time if you want to use raw.
That way a user would have a choice.

Yes but I doubt Canon will try to incorporate anything more than what is bare minimum. Lately they just don't seem to be interested in leapfrogging the competition, they seem to be content with merely keeping in step. So I doubt they would use any new technology that hasn't been tried and true like SATA Express. Perhaps this time we'll at least hopefully get USB 3.0 (although I would prefer Thunderbolt) as an I/O upgrade. But who knows, perhaps they'll prove me wrong. I certainly hope so for everyone's sake.

 

[Don Haines]

I'm really surprised that photo software companies aren't jumping all over GPU acceleration. When you can make things go faster using the hardware everyone already has it seems silly not to.

to make real use of it the task must be highly parallel.
then there is the memory problem. memory access and amount of memory.

and GPU coding is not for every java coder out there.
tools are getting better but it´s still not easy.

Photos are a wonderful candidate for GPU processing.... That's why products like Autopano Giga speed up by a factor of ten when you enable the GPU option. (If you have a kick-ass Nvidea card). Also, adobe photoshop's latest version can use GPU's, just not Lightroom.... Yet....

 

[deleteme]

WOW, Canon still at least 2 years shy of the Nikon D800 sensor ...
Confirms what I thought all along.

Geriatric ward really missed the boat big time.

The pendulum swings back and forth in technology. I doubt that Canon will be in the backseat forever.
More importantly, are we losing money from the lack of MP or is this just a hobbyist's lament?

 

[Canon 14-24]

I can forgive Canon for these past many years on holding out on a 14-24 lens, if they were waiting to see how such a lens would resolve with a high megapixel monster. In any case release both at the same time!

 

[Area256]

Here's hoping for an increase in dynamic range, and in signal-to-noise ratios.

+ 1 I've stopped caring about MP a lot time ago. However improved low ISO DR and SNR would be welcome! Looks like the 7D2 may really get the new sensor tech - and Canon users can stop complaining about having old sensor tech. (but we'll see, we've all said that before...)

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

If this is true, then Canon almost certainly will have to update a number of L lenses if this body is in the horizon...I won't name names...but a number of names come to mind.

There is little doubt that the high MP is very exacting of glass, but it depends even more on very careful setup by the photographer.


I suspect that the need for lens upgrades is part of any 2014 plan. Certainly, a wide zoom is a candidate for upgrade.


I recall when the 1Ds Mark III came out with 21 mp, there were complainers everywhere saying that their was no glass to match the sensor, and that their images were blurry.


The same happened with the 7D. Photographers can learn to maximize the use of what they have. Usually, it means faster shutter speeds, or more stable tripods. Even slight subject motion will cause a blur with slow shutter speeds.


This means that the high ISO that you thought you had can be reduced effectively a stop because of the need for doubling shutter speed.

 

[RS2021]

Canon will have to update their 16-35II and perhaps even the earlier version-one L primes...

It is clear they are having difficulty delivering on the UWA front... it is certainly not for the lack of trying. They have tried with version II which is, as I said elsewhere, "meh".

 

[AG]

I read this rumour and i take from it...

The 7D2, 1DX, 1DC, 1DLMP(Large Mega Pixel?) will all be in the same body/shell.

So that would mean 4 Pro bodies

Then the 5D3 is semi pro, with the 70D and 6D being an adv amateur line?(don't really know that the difference between the 2 classifications are)

After that it all gets a LOT confusing.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon will have to update their 16-35II and perhaps even the earlier version-one L primes...

It is clear they are having difficulty delivering on the UWA front... it is certainly not for the lack of trying. They have tried with version II which is, as I said elsewhere, "meh".

The 16-35 was (I read a canon comment a few years back) introduced for PJ's using the APS-H cameras. The MK II was a attempt to upgrade it for FF.


Canon knows how to produce a top quality wide lens, but they have not figured out how to make one that ordinary millionaires can afford.


You see that with other products as well, some car companies are good at making large cars, but are utter flops at making small cars. Some small truck makers have flopped in the full sized truck area.


Its not easy to overcome that type of thing, some highly experienced employees don't always want to change their rules of thumb for design, and they pass down those rules and keep new employees under their thumb.


Nikon suffered from that until some younger blood finally got to the top. The trouble is, they also need to make a profit. Innovative ideas do not keep a company in business if they don't turn a profit.


Nikon is building a giant plant in Laos to open this fall, apparently hoping to ultimately get their costs down. They also (I think) understand that the warmer weather means more floods and they need to have plan(t) B. I hope it works out for them, lower prices are certainly welcome, and Canon is in the drivers seat right now as far as cost of production is concerned. They drop prices and still make a nice profit.

 

[bdunbar79]

WOW, Canon still at least 2 years shy of the Nikon D800 sensor ...
Confirms what I thought all along.

Geriatric ward really missed the boat big time.

How many years did Canon have a 'prosumer' 21 MP FF camera while Nikon's offering in that space had 12 MP?

And after 4.5 years Canon has reduced the number of MP they had in that camera from 21 to 18, falling behind Nikon.

How many megapixels does the D4 have?

 

[SpaceGhost]

I didn't have time to read all the posts but its all rumors anyway,

The big question is what body will this be in.

I'm sporting the 1D-X and the 5D3 was tempting (but some features only a little better and negatives were big for me) but I prefer the series 1 bodies and features. However, I would have loved a big step up in megapixels in my 1D-X.

 

[brad-man]

Yeh, you can get it with the kit lens, the 200-400 f4 + inbuilt 1.4 TC!

The kit comes with a free unicorn. Pre announcing a development announcement 7 months early sounds desperate.

This.

Announcements of future announcements is getting kind of stale. Canon needs to release the 70D so everyone can bitch about its rehashed, milked for every drop sensor. Then Canon can announce the upcoming announcement of the 7Dll (or whatever). Interesting that many here think the new tech will cost under $2000...

 

[Ricku]

The big question is what body will this be in.

I'm sporting the 1D-X and the 5D3 was tempting (but some features only a little better and negatives were big for me) but I prefer the series 1 bodies and features. However, I would have loved a big step up in megapixels in my 1D-X.

I'd prefer rebel size. Yes, seriously.

There is no need to feel like a overpacked mountain donkey while hiking / traveling for landscapes. My shoulders says no! .. After all, a high MP body will surely be aimed at landscapers and travelers.

But yeah, it will probably be a 1D-type body, just so that Canon can charge extra for the "pro size". :

 

[RGF]

Maybe by then, Intel will have a superfast processor and SATA express will be out. Current SSD's are limited by SATA III to about 500mb/sec, and huge image files take a lot of time to process.
At least Canon has options for sraw that you can select when you don't want full blown resolution. With the D800, you get those huge files every time if you want to use raw.
That way a user would have a choice.

Yes but I doubt Canon will try to incorporate anything more than what is bare minimum. Lately they just don't seem to be interested in leapfrogging the competition, they seem to be content with merely keeping in step. So I doubt they would use any new technology that hasn't been tried and true like SATA Express. Perhaps this time we'll at least hopefully get USB 3.0 (although I would prefer Thunderbolt) as an I/O upgrade. But who knows, perhaps they'll prove me wrong. I certainly hope so for everyone's sake.

My observation is that Canon has got conservative after the problems with AF on the 1D M2/3. Years ago they were very innovative with the first eye control, DO, 1N RS but these technologies never went any where. Yes there is still talk of DO but when was the last DO lens introduced.

I would not call the 5D M3 behind Nikon - Nikon had the high MP D800 while Canon created a great (though a bit higher priced than I would like) proconsumer workhorse that has good low light function, excellent ergonomics, .... May not be perfect but a very good camera.

 

[RGF]

Canon will have to update their 16-35II and perhaps even the earlier version-one L primes...

It is clear they are having difficulty delivering on the UWA front... it is certainly not for the lack of trying. They have tried with version II which is, as I said elsewhere, "meh".

Too bad they can not license Nikon's 14-24 in exchange for their TS.

On the UWA front, the 14 is great, so is the 17 TS. If they had a 17 non-TS on par with the 14/17 TS I would be very interested. The 17 TS is too big and too pricey

 

[gary samples]

can't wait it will a lot harder for all the Nikon fan boys that seem to live here to run there heads LOL

 

[hmmm]

The game plan is becoming clear, I think...

The 70D will be the 18MP sensor plus Digic 6.

The 7D mkII will at last have the new sensor and Digic 6 (as the 7D was the original rollout of the now ancient 18 mp sensor in 2009.)

The development announcement of the Big MP sensor will have the new technology as well.

That puts me back to square one of keeping an eye peeled for a real good deal on a 6D... For my own needs I can't see spending 2200 on an aps-c 7D mkII, though I expect a lot of folks will.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I read this rumour and i take from it...

The 7D2, 1DX, 1DC, 1DLMP(Large Mega Pixel?) will all be in the same body/shell.

So that would mean 4 Pro bodies

Then the 5D3 is semi pro, with the 70D and 6D being an adv amateur line?(don't really know that the difference between the 2 classifications are)

After that it all gets a LOT confusing.

Those who are shelling out hard earned money for these will know what they are. You don't just drop into best buy and see them all.

Those who have a ton of money and want the best will buy the most expensive Leica and use it as a point and shoot. Its all about status symbol at that level.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Maybe by then, Intel will have a superfast processor and SATA express will be out. Current SSD's are limited by SATA III to about 500mb/sec, and huge image files take a lot of time to process.
At least Canon has options for sraw that you can select when you don't want full blown resolution. With the D800, you get those huge files every time if you want to use raw.
That way a user would have a choice.

Yeah but sRAW isn't really all that RAW and with Nikon you can use crop mode FULL RAW which is great for wildlife since you maintain reach while not wasting storage on all the outer border areas so I'd actually WAY rather they went to the Nikon way of handling it.

I'd rather it be 39MP for perfect video and keeping 6fps than 47 or 50+ and being less than 5fps and having worse video.

Crop mode on my D800 crops the image away. That's not useful to lose part of your FF image. Its a feature added for those using the old DX lenses and turns the D800 into a 16mp crop camera. I could use a 7D and get a cropped image with more pixels than a cropped D800.
If I had 1500 images to edit from a large MP sensor, I'd certainly try sraw or mraw. I went looking for the feature after I got my D800 and had a day to edit 500 images, it was not fun to spend that many unplanned hours.

It's VERY useful to crop away part of the FF image if you are reach limited since you get a small file PLUS full on true RAW (sRAW and mRAW are not the same as real RAW files) and without loss of reach as you get with sRAW and mRAW. So you get everything you want without any loss whatsoever and save space.