Big Megapixel Development Announcement in the Fall? [CR2]
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Some of these comments make me smile...
Canon focused on AF systems this time around. They have lead the industry with their sensors for a while, and only have slowed down in the last few years. But the AF systems have needed some improvement and they certainly have done that with the 1Dx. The 1Dx's AF is up to 3 times more responsive than the D4's AF system and has pretty much more of everything in it than the D4's AF. Plus it has 2mp more, and shoots faster FPS. (Great review to compare them: http://youtu.be/VyNFOPrIKmQ)
I swear, people are never happy. I see it everywhere. I also do real estate. You want EVERYTHING in one house/camera and then complain if you have to pay for it.
Canon focused on AF systems this time around. They have lead the industry with their sensors for a while, and only have slowed down in the last few years. But the AF systems have needed some improvement and they certainly have done that with the 1Dx. The 1Dx's AF is up to 3 times more responsive than the D4's AF system and has pretty much more of everything in it than the D4's AF. Plus it has 2mp more, and shoots faster FPS. (Great review to compare them: http://youtu.be/VyNFOPrIKmQ)
I swear, people are never happy. I see it everywhere. I also do real estate. You want EVERYTHING in one house/camera and then complain if you have to pay for it.
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dilbert said:bdunbar79 said:dilbert said:neuroanatomist said:AvTvM said:WOW, Canon still at least 2 years shy of the Nikon D800 sensor ...
Confirms what I thought all along.
Geriatric ward really missed the boat big time.
How many years did Canon have a 'prosumer' 21 MP FF camera while Nikon's offering in that space had 12 MP?
And after 4.5 years Canon has reduced the number of MP they had in that camera from 21 to 18, falling behind Nikon.
How many megapixels does the D4 have?
D4 is not the style of camera being referred to here, it is the 5D2/6D/D700/D600.
Oh I get it...we can only look at a select few to make the point valid right? ???
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dilbert said:bdunbar79 said:dilbert said:neuroanatomist said:AvTvM said:WOW, Canon still at least 2 years shy of the Nikon D800 sensor ...
Confirms what I thought all along.
Geriatric ward really missed the boat big time.
How many years did Canon have a 'prosumer' 21 MP FF camera while Nikon's offering in that space had 12 MP?
And after 4.5 years Canon has reduced the number of MP they had in that camera from 21 to 18, falling behind Nikon.
How many megapixels does the D4 have?
D4 is not the style of camera being referred to here, it is the 5D2/6D/D700/D600.
Ok, so which of the 5D2 or 6D has 18 mp then? Which Canon camera were you referring to that has 18 mp if it was not the 1DX? You specifically said that the prosumer camera that Canon led with went from 21 mp to 18 mp. What camera are you talking about then, that has 18 mp? The 1DX goes head to head with the D4, and so everyone suddenly wants to use mp's, so I use mp's, and the 1DX has 2 more than the D4. I'm satisfied with my argument.
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Yup. Kinda what I figured. If they have something that competes with MF on the performance and quality side of things, I'd be very interested. As a fashion/beauty photographer, my 5D Mark II is totally fine until I upgrade to MF. There really isn't anything significantly better in-between those two...
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I wonder if Canon has been putting this monster off until they got all these upgraded lenses out? Now that Canon has upgraded (Updated) some of their most popular lenses, makes me think they wanted to be sure they had the resolving power to support big mega pixels? Just my 2 cents worth. But I think it makes sense?
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gputah said:
Smiling here too ... Take the 16-35/II. Today it can be gotten for 1300 bucks. Now, I bet this new hypothetical 14-24 - assuming top of the range - will not come for less than 2500. Some nice moaning and groaning in perspective then ...
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
Great analysis. One reason Nikon has problems with profits is they tried too hard to displace Canon as market leader. But Nikon must also improve their quality control. Obviously, their standard has taken quite a hit recently with the D800 left side misfocus and D600 sensor debris problems...
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Hint: Two different prototypes from Canon and a prototype from Nikon (maybe named D4X) is out for testing in the field.
The 7D Mark II is a big step away from a possible introduced 70D.
My advice: Wait until the 7D Mark II is releasend and then decide if you want go FF from APS-C. If you compare the 7D Mark II prototype with the 6D. Well ...
The 7D Mark II is a big step away from a possible introduced 70D.
My advice: Wait until the 7D Mark II is releasend and then decide if you want go FF from APS-C. If you compare the 7D Mark II prototype with the 6D. Well ...
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I'd love to see a new body from Canon, crop or FF, that actually makes a measurable (by DxOmark) improvement in low ISO read noise. Canon's done great guns at improving higher ISO across the board from compacts to pro SLR
but they still lag grossly at low ISO shadow SNR - sure, it only affects a few of us to any significant extent, but I won't spend any of my money on another Canon body until they actually show some serious improvement in that area.
Nothing they've brought out in the last few (to 10) years has made any significant improvement in this area. So much so that not only will I not buy another Canon body until they improve, I've sold the more expensive newer ones that failed to deliver anything over the older bodies I already have. AF improvements, video and other features are nice but I'd just like a much improved stills shooter, please.
BTW, my favorite new under-puppy Pentax might release a FF body this year, likely a conservative 24MP unit.
If it performs anything like their K5 series, their market share is likely to double! from darn near nuthing to twice that! ;D
However, as an enthusiast camera maker, Pentax has a small but very loyal user/fan base, many of whom still own some FF compatible old film-era lenses so if they do release a reasonably priced (and they're as bad for this as Canon) new FF body, I can see some uptake from existing users who'd prefer not to go CaNikon to get FF goodness. count me in as one of those who'll be willing to give that new FF a whirl.
but they still lag grossly at low ISO shadow SNR - sure, it only affects a few of us to any significant extent, but I won't spend any of my money on another Canon body until they actually show some serious improvement in that area.
Nothing they've brought out in the last few (to 10) years has made any significant improvement in this area. So much so that not only will I not buy another Canon body until they improve, I've sold the more expensive newer ones that failed to deliver anything over the older bodies I already have. AF improvements, video and other features are nice but I'd just like a much improved stills shooter, please.
BTW, my favorite new under-puppy Pentax might release a FF body this year, likely a conservative 24MP unit.
If it performs anything like their K5 series, their market share is likely to double! from darn near nuthing to twice that! ;D
However, as an enthusiast camera maker, Pentax has a small but very loyal user/fan base, many of whom still own some FF compatible old film-era lenses so if they do release a reasonably priced (and they're as bad for this as Canon) new FF body, I can see some uptake from existing users who'd prefer not to go CaNikon to get FF goodness. count me in as one of those who'll be willing to give that new FF a whirl.
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The lag between announcement and delivery is based on manufacturing ramp up time for FF using a modified process and the fact that Nikon will produce theirs first. Let's remember we still want Canon to be in business, so yes they will pre-announce...
SATA III drives max out at around 400-500MBps (real-world) not Mbps, so I don't think the i/o subsystem is a bottleneck
Exmor is equivalent to Digic, not the sensor....
I agree with the other post and have said before - Canon released updated glass first as they can get revenue ahead of the sensor improvements on both the 7D II and 1DxL
USB 3 / thunderbolt - I've only ever used USB to control the camera - do others prefer to use these i/f to offload pictures etc? The Ethernet on the 1Dx is faster than the CF card, as would be the USB 3 and Thunderbolt, so not sure the benefit of adding a faster i/o ports without faster CF, unless you are tethered....
Photographers asked for better high iso, and the way Canon chose to do it, presumably based on sensor limitations was to reduce the MP slightly. They're a business and thus want to respond as best as they can with the tech they have to retain you. Pretty normal IMHO....
Overall, when I read these threads I am reminded on Tom Hogan who normally calls it correctly when he said with the current cameras from Nikon & Canon you really can't blame the camera on making bad pictures, only the photographer....
SATA III drives max out at around 400-500MBps (real-world) not Mbps, so I don't think the i/o subsystem is a bottleneck
Exmor is equivalent to Digic, not the sensor....
I agree with the other post and have said before - Canon released updated glass first as they can get revenue ahead of the sensor improvements on both the 7D II and 1DxL
USB 3 / thunderbolt - I've only ever used USB to control the camera - do others prefer to use these i/f to offload pictures etc? The Ethernet on the 1Dx is faster than the CF card, as would be the USB 3 and Thunderbolt, so not sure the benefit of adding a faster i/o ports without faster CF, unless you are tethered....
Photographers asked for better high iso, and the way Canon chose to do it, presumably based on sensor limitations was to reduce the MP slightly. They're a business and thus want to respond as best as they can with the tech they have to retain you. Pretty normal IMHO....
Overall, when I read these threads I am reminded on Tom Hogan who normally calls it correctly when he said with the current cameras from Nikon & Canon you really can't blame the camera on making bad pictures, only the photographer....
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Canon-F1 said:
Correction:
so canon user will get a 8000 euro high MP camera in 2014Q1 at the earliest while nikon user get a high MP camera for 3000 eur in 2012Q1
There you go, much better now.
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Is it me? What do people do with all these mega pixels? I find around 20 is just fine, more than I need really. I sell prints and enlarge to about 40 inches wide with no quality problems.
I guess that you can crop more, but then you have the option of getting a longer lens or getting closer if you can.
I'm never aware of the difference as far as pixels density between my cameras when processing my images. One is 18 and the other is 20 something. There you go I don't even know the exact numbers.
So what do people plan to do with all those pixels? How can you use them all in one go?
I guess that you can crop more, but then you have the option of getting a longer lens or getting closer if you can.
I'm never aware of the difference as far as pixels density between my cameras when processing my images. One is 18 and the other is 20 something. There you go I don't even know the exact numbers.
So what do people plan to do with all those pixels? How can you use them all in one go?
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How about macro?
If per-pixel-quality is similar to the 1D-X or 5D Mark III then you can crop to your heart's delight or create stunning large-scale images of static objects like flowers and such.
How about shooting landscapes without bringing a Hasselblad or similar medium format device?
How about people shooting magazine covers or similar work?
If per-pixel-quality is similar to the 1D-X or 5D Mark III then you can crop to your heart's delight or create stunning large-scale images of static objects like flowers and such.
How about shooting landscapes without bringing a Hasselblad or similar medium format device?
How about people shooting magazine covers or similar work?
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