Canon’s Retro Camera is Coming as the EOS R8 Mark II

I own the RF 28-70 F2L, EF 24-70 F4L, and RF 24-50mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM. Three different lenses, and 3 very different price points. One is certainly a entry level kit lens, one was a semi pro kit lens, and one is a muscle building beast that I think is best in class among all brands. They all have their use and place. Lets be honest, no one makes a good compact entry level kit zoom for full frame. Step up, or just accept it for what it is.
That’s absolutely untrue. Both the Nikon Z 24-50mm and Sony FE 28-60mm are better than the Canon RF 24-50mm, and both are quite good. I have owned and used all three enough to form a grounded opinion on them. Canon’s RF 15-30mm is also compact and inexpensive, but it’s a very nice lens, unlike its standard sibling, and their RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 is the smallest and lightest lens of its class, while being pretty decent optically (and I so wish that Canon had kept it as the kit lens for the R8).
 
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Aside from the retro look R8 II, what realistic upgrades would it have over the original without being too close to the R6 III? The R6 III sensor, maybe IBIS, higher res LCD and EVF, updated AF algorithm, a joystick would be nice since the R10 has one and I don't think that's asking too much. It would also be nice if the 4 way buttons at the back would have a shortcut to AF, Drive, WB, Metering like the entry level DSLRs.
 
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Typical Canon Move hm?! We have a C50 and a R6III… there are some thinks Canon has not implemented now, which other have! Shutter Angle, tilting and flipping screen like Sony and Nikon… damn Canon! I Hope the R7II finally has it!

Not understandable move for me…

A real small full frame cinematic camera would be awesome! With a R3 sensor! (Smaller then the C50, more like a 50V)
 
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A real small full frame cinematic camera would be awesome! With a R3 sensor! (Smaller then the C50, more like a 50V)
Maybe the following generation keeps the 7K resolution, but moves to a stacked sensor for faster readout, but it will take a couple of years.
It feels like someone is yanking your chain. An R6 V makes even less sense than and R8 V.
Makes sense, ZR is essentially Z6III - EVF + passive cooling, bigger LCD and slightly different software for +/- 10% less.

An R8 II will be the entry-level model, so I don't expect much beyond an R8 with newer sensor and features (+ silver as an option).
 
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Aside from the retro look R8 II, what realistic upgrades would it have over the original without being too close to the R6 III? The R6 III sensor, maybe IBIS, higher res LCD and EVF, updated AF algorithm, a joystick would be nice since the R10 has one and I don't think that's asking too much. It would also be nice if the 4 way buttons at the back would have a shortcut to AF, Drive, WB, Metering like the entry level DSLRs.

Some things the R6 will always have extra over the R8 that in my opinion is enough to separate the two:

- bigger body with different ergonomics.
- 2 card slots
- big wheel on the back
- bigger battery
- better heat management, longer recording times
- weather sealing (i hope the R8 will get it too one day)
 
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