Canon’s Retro Camera is Coming as the EOS R8 Mark II

[ScreensMatter]

A retro camera might be my only chance to get a Canon EOS R camera with a tilting screen. It would make my day if there is a solid leak regarding that. I am unreasonably mad at the fully articulating screens. The screen on a 5D original without live view is even less infuriating.

 

[Canon Rumors]

The 20-50 gives you an idea how far in advance something can be ready to go before it comes to market. It's been 7 months. The 70-200 Z was nearly a year.

 

[dwkdnvr]

Will that “L” mean a $1200+ price tag? I assume the “R6” moniker will come with a premium as well; I was hoping for a more S9/R8 class body price, hopefully it’s not much more than the ZR at least.

Hard to see a 20-50/4 L PZ coming in much if any less expensive than the 14-35/4 L which currently lists at $1499. Same 2.5x zoom range, and while 20 on the wide end is easier to achieve than 14, you trade that for PZ. So, I'd guess $1299 at a minimum, $1499 certainly possible. In the R8V iteration of the rumor I'd been assuming that it would be an STM level of quality putting it in the 899/999 range. I guess not a huge delta in the overall scale of things, but add in the R6 premium and you're probably looking at a $3k+ kit price rather than $2k- for an R8/STM level kit.

 

[Canon Rumors]

I wonder if they have a way to make the "PZ" work on cameras without the dial thing. R50 V, C50, R6 V. Usability wise, it could bind to back buttons or the joystick. It feels like a good time for a firmware announcement!

 

[snapshot]

R6V means it will have IBIS？

maybe not. R5C didnt. but probably means LP-E6 battery and dual card slots.

 

[Kjsheldo]

The 20-50mm PZ will be pretty awesome if the power zoom function does not require an external motor (like it does on the 24-105mm f2.8 Z. That's probably the difference between the PZ and Z naming.

But I would assume the lens would have to have an internal zoom, which is also great. While I would have loved an f2.8, if it has internal zoom with a (GREAT) range of 20-50mm, with IS, is around 600-grams, and has the PZ functionality built into the lens (and doesn't need the bulky external motor), then it's a huge win and instant buy for me.

 

[Canon Rumors]

The 20-50mm PZ will be pretty awesome if the power zoom function does not require an external motor (like it does on the 24-105mm f2.8 Z. That's probably the difference between the PZ and Z naming.

But I would assume the lens would have to have an internal zoom, which is also great. While I would have loved an f2.8, if it has internal zoom with a (GREAT) range of 20-50mm, with IS, is around 600-grams, and has the PZ functionality built into the lens (and doesn't need the bulky external motor), then it's a huge win and instant buy for me.

It'll be the same as the RF-S 14-30 PZ.

 

[DonnieCakes]

so are we now thinking the R7ii isn't in production at all? I am actively in the market, been 15 years since my last camera purchase but my main focus is on my children with youth sports. If an R7ii isn't coming, I don't love the idea of buying an R7 that is 3+ years old now. Should I bump up to the R6III? or do you still think the R7ii is this summer?

 

[Kjsheldo]

It'll be the same as the RF-S 14-30 PZ.

Does that have internal zoom? never used that lens before.

 

[Canon Rumors]

UPDATE: The EOS R6 V announcement might not be this week, but the NDAs are signed, sealed and delivered. I'll let you know when I know. Announcements generally come soon after the NDAs are signed.

There is a big dealer meeting in a European country on Wednesday. Once dealers know..... They're leaky.

 

[esspy2]

Seeing the 20-50mm F/4 release is music to my ears! I hope it is very small.

 

[Exploreshootshare]

Wow, that's really a surprise to me. I honestly believed in a R8V given we have a R50V and dedicated video camera which shares the sensor with the R6iii. Plus, the R6iii doesn't seem to be too bad for video (actually, quite from what I read). We will just wait and see.

Since I am not a video guy the R6V is not for me, but I´m very interested in what the R8ii with retro aesthetics and the R7ii will bring.

 

[muentzer]

Does that have internal zoom? never used that lens before.

Yes

 

[Dragon]

R6V makes more sense than an R8V to be kitted with the 20-50 PZ as that won't be a cheap lens.

 

[eero]

Internal ND filters please.

 

[sanj]

My main wishlist for R8ii is IBIS. For me to buy a retro camera, it will have to be totally retro. Like FM2. Yum. This mock-up with a silver top plastic-like - not good for me.

 

[erader]

I'd be cool if they did the 16-28 and 28-70 2.8s. They won't touch an L. I have no idea if lenses are in the cards

my first camera was the AE-1 in 1980. i will buy this camera if it is a legitimate back-up to my R5 -- i am strictly a stills shooter. i have my lenses already

 

[Uneternal]

UPDATE: The EOS R6 V announcement might not be this week, but the NDAs are signed, sealed and delivered. I'll let you know when I know. Announcements generally come soon after the NDAs are signed.

There is a big dealer meeting in a European country on Wednesday. Once dealers know..... They're leaky.

I think it might be on the 28th, cause that's also the date they supposedly release the G7XIII special edition. At least that's what the Canon page says.

 

[Baywoof]

To me, a "retro" camera is one you put on the shelf, and stays there except when you want to show it off to a relative.

 

[David - Sydney]

DPReview has posted an article about this:
DPR Article

A couple of considerations:

• R5 and R5C are physically different cameras: the R5 is not a "less video" version of the R5C
• The increased cost of the R5C is mostly due to physical differences (cooling) and the fact that Canon sells less R5C cameras than R5 ones
• If they made a video-less version of a camera with only software changes, it will cost more because it will require dedicated support / fw and will sell in lower numbers. A video-less version of a camera with physical differences (e.g. remove internal cooling) would cost even more since the manufactoring will be different as well
• If you were right, how do you explain monochrome versions of existing cameras costing more? Those are the same as their color-enabled siblings, they just remove the bayer filter and remove some options from the firmware (color simulations)

Physical cooling is the main difference similar to what is being rumoured with the V version but takes out IBIS which offsets the passive cooling. We don’t know what the relative cost difference is.
The R5c has not only longer run times but also 8k60 vs 8k39 on the R5.
Adding the cinema menus but only via restart makes it a video SW version but looks to be shoe horned in vs a redeveloped integrated SW release.

I can’t comment on colour vs monochrome as canon hasn’t done that before and Leica charge what the market will bare.
Canon has released 2 Astro sensor bodies with the IR filter removed and charged more but that was a long time ago