3kramd5 said:
It is pretty bad but focuses your mind on getting good it close in camera and certainly try to use sub 800 iso
Upvote
0
Canon 5D Mark IV brings dramatic dynamic range improvements to the 5D line
- Thread starter AlanF
- Start date
It is pretty bad but focuses your mind on getting good it close in camera and certainly try to use sub 800 iso
I find the comments on DR being useless, or only for photos you took wrong being quite astonishing. For 60 years professional photographers have been throwing kit at the problems of dynamic range in both film and digital sensors.
Ansel Adams zone system
Yellow filters for B&W
Polarisers ( they are not just to make the sky's bluer )
Graduated ND filters.
Scrims to shade the model
Reflectors to bounce the light
Portable batttery powered strobes and softboxes to balance a shaded model vs a sunlit background
Fill flash to brighten faces in direct sunlight and backlit subjects
+100's more "hacks" try to increase DR.
Now you can shoot a backlit model at golden hour without without a fill and pull her brown eyes up in post without issues. 10 years ago I needed a car boot full of kit or I had to resort to actually "painting" eyes in photoshop from scratch with a tablet
I have found this forums underwhelmed reaction to the increase in DR bizarre. Its one of the most exciting advances in tech at the moment.
I also find the reaction to Rishi's work very poor. He may not be perfect, but he does do a good job of doing a repeatable test across cameras/sensors and publishing the results without bias.
If you have ever tried to do work of this kind spanning years you will discover just how hard it is, and how fiddly and timeconsuming it is to setup.
Sites like DPreview and there back to back tests are one of the reasons Canon has had to increase the DR on its current cameras and get rid of ugly banding.
The whole Canon community actually owes him a great deal.
Ansel Adams zone system
Yellow filters for B&W
Polarisers ( they are not just to make the sky's bluer )
Graduated ND filters.
Scrims to shade the model
Reflectors to bounce the light
Portable batttery powered strobes and softboxes to balance a shaded model vs a sunlit background
Fill flash to brighten faces in direct sunlight and backlit subjects
+100's more "hacks" try to increase DR.
Now you can shoot a backlit model at golden hour without without a fill and pull her brown eyes up in post without issues. 10 years ago I needed a car boot full of kit or I had to resort to actually "painting" eyes in photoshop from scratch with a tablet
I have found this forums underwhelmed reaction to the increase in DR bizarre. Its one of the most exciting advances in tech at the moment.
I also find the reaction to Rishi's work very poor. He may not be perfect, but he does do a good job of doing a repeatable test across cameras/sensors and publishing the results without bias.
If you have ever tried to do work of this kind spanning years you will discover just how hard it is, and how fiddly and timeconsuming it is to setup.
Sites like DPreview and there back to back tests are one of the reasons Canon has had to increase the DR on its current cameras and get rid of ugly banding.
The whole Canon community actually owes him a great deal.
Upvote
0
Canon owners owe DPR lol 
The only reason Canon increase DR is coz of DPR...lol. This forum gets better and better...lol
Moores Law and evolution would not have a role to play in it haha
The only reason Canon increase DR is coz of DPR...lol. This forum gets better and better...lol
Moores Law and evolution would not have a role to play in it haha
Upvote
0
BobHope said:
You may have a point or two, but I generally disagree with much of what you say. The main thing is that pulling shadows or selectively increasing the light, does not give the same results as good lighting. Reflectors, flashes etc is still required if you want good quality results in difficult lighting situations.
Upvote
0
Larsskv said:
I agree that if you want the best quality the lighting kit is still helpful - more light is always better, its the basic physics of photography.
However there are a number of tricks that people have developed to improve the quality of natural reflected light.. using a colour chekr card to eliminate the colour cast that is often present to get skin tones right, dodging and burning to simulate a directed light source, the lightroom plugin de haze can cut out a lot of the flare from shooting into light if it is unwelcome, using luminance masks to selectively brighten skin - if you have clean shadow data and colour there is a whole new world of software tricks out there to play with and get a more natural result. .
Just because you once put a 5d MkIII file into lightroom and pushed the shadows slider up and hated the results, it doesn't mean the new techniques are invalid.
Upvote
0
BobHope said:
With all due respect, those shots are nice enough, but they do rather boil down to 'a couple standing in a landscape'. It's hardly pushing the boundaries.
(And though I don't do much of that sort of work myself, I'd imagine a little bit of flash or reflectors could have helped in a few of those shots, if you didn't have so much shadow lifting capability).
Upvote
0
GMCPhotographics
Canon Rumors Premium
BobHope said:
Right....the whole community owes Rishi a great deal???????? I laughed out loud and then realise you were serious.
Hmmm another 10 post member...hmmm....I smell troll.
Upvote
0
BobHope said:
One thing that is overlooked very often by those who asks for more DR, and those that highlight the ability to lift shades 5 or 6 stops, is that the light in those lifted shadows regularly will be bad in terms of color and contrast. Lifting the shadows 6 stops will therefore often ruin the picture, rather than adding to it.
With regards to the pictures you are linking to from petapixel, I honestly believe my 5Ds could deliver similar results. The lifts done in that article seems to be 2 - 3 stops.
Upvote
0
BobHope said:
Oh God, no ! I thought those days had gone. A link to one of the old articles posting images that could have been shot on a 5D from 2005 if you shoot raw and use an up to date processor.
Upvote
0
Is there a way to shut up assholes like BobHope??
Edit: I founded, you can ignore users. Thanks!
Edit: I founded, you can ignore users. Thanks!
Upvote
0
..and to reduce scene contrast, convert hard light into soft light, provide multi-directionality and/or change direction of light, colour and intensity of light...
3kramd5 said:BobHope said:
Those are actually techniques and equipment to compress DR, not increase it
Upvote
0
Alex_M said:..and to reduce scene contrast, convert hard light into soft light, provide multi-directionality and/or change direction of light, colour and intensity of light...3kramd5 said:BobHope said:
Those are actually techniques and equipment to compress DR, not increase it
Yes, but most certainly not increase DR.
Upvote
0
neuroanatomist said:
HA!
Back in the day, I could suck shadows from my old 7D. Expose for the highlights and suffer.
Pulling shadows on the old Canon 7D with DXO Optics software by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr
Upvote
0
KeithBreazeal said:neuroanatomist said:
HA!
Back in the day, I could suck shadows from my old 7D. Expose for the highlights and suffer.
Wow, is that the moon behind the trees ? Now that is DR ! Even Rishi would agree
Upvote
0
It's posts that say
"here is a push on my 7d it looks great"
"We have been pushing shadows on 5d III just fine"
That show exactly why Rishi's work has had such impact. He has been producing content with identically lit scenes so you can compare the results of various pushes for yourself across different cameras.
It is no longer such a subjective argument - we have the data to reach a consensus that a 2 stop push is fine, but you can easily see a 5 stop push is too much for the 5DS.
We can see a 4 stop push on 5D IV looks great, and on the 7D looks poor.
The fact is you have the choice to be a better informed consumer, directly due to the work he does. Maybe you decide that you don't care about +5 stops of shadow pushing, but at least now you are making an informed choice with some real data.
"here is a push on my 7d it looks great"
"We have been pushing shadows on 5d III just fine"
That show exactly why Rishi's work has had such impact. He has been producing content with identically lit scenes so you can compare the results of various pushes for yourself across different cameras.
It is no longer such a subjective argument - we have the data to reach a consensus that a 2 stop push is fine, but you can easily see a 5 stop push is too much for the 5DS.
We can see a 4 stop push on 5D IV looks great, and on the 7D looks poor.
The fact is you have the choice to be a better informed consumer, directly due to the work he does. Maybe you decide that you don't care about +5 stops of shadow pushing, but at least now you are making an informed choice with some real data.
Upvote
0
Similar threads
