Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

[JonJT]

Re: Canon 7D Mark II specs wishlist.

Well, if Canon sticks with their current (& much-appreciated) theme of not giving a toss about the megapixel race and trying to make the best cameras possible, I think a 7DII would look something like this:

• new backlit APS-C sensor bringing associated low-light performance improvements
• as few MP as they think they can get away with, I'd imagine somewhere between 16 & 18
• single digic 5+. plenty of processing power and keeps costs down & battery life up
• as many of the new features from the 5DIII that they can squeeze in - hopefully the reduced moiré video processing will reduce the need for a strong AA filter
• I'd imagine a bump in existing fps in order to placate those lamenting the loss of the 1D series. 9-10fps @16-18mp is likely possible with digic5+, and a 10fps APS-C mirror/shutter should be a walk in the park for them after having built the 1DX.
• this is just a wish, but improved viewfinder if possible (the current one is already 1.0x/100% but perhaps they could make it a little brighter/snappier...)
• under $US 2k

Look for an announcement either at Photokina or early 2013.

If they go with the backlit sensor or otherwise improve low-light performance by a stop or more, the 7DII could likely be viewed as the logical successor to the 1DIV.

I don't think we'll see a non-Ciné APS-H EOS DSLR again. It's pretty clear that Canon's APS-H fabrication unit has moved over to the Cinema EOS side of the house (brilliant move on Canon's part; APS-H is almost exactly the same size as Super 35 so repurposing the fabs shouldn't have taken much effort).

Here's a thought: what if one of the forthcoming "for mere mortals" Ciné cameras and the rumored mirrorless system are the same thing? There's an awful lot of synergy between the features of those two markets...

I was actually thinking of waiting for the 7Ds successor but, the inevitable price increase combined with what I believe will not be that large of an increase in sensor performance is making me want to buy a 7D now.

 

[Michael7]

I think we should start sandbagging a levy here at canon rumors for when the 7D mk2 gets released at $2500+ to help stop the river of tears over the price

+1000!! Ha ha. If you can't afford it, don't be mad at Canon. Perhaps take up another hobby? No way it's sub $2000. $2,100 at launch is my guess.

My hunch specs are 10fps
Better weather sealing (probably as vague as that too)
15mp with improved ISO performance
30-45 AF points
Dual CF/SD card slots
Headphones jack for video
Probably have something really gimmicky like available in off-white or 120fps 480video

Looks good to me. Dropping the MP from 18 to 15 or 14 is a must.

 

[wickidwombat]

I think we should start sandbagging a levy here at canon rumors for when the 7D mk2 gets released at $2500+ to help stop the river of tears over the price

+1000!! Ha ha. If you can't afford it, don't be mad at Canon. Perhaps take up another hobby? No way it's sub $2000. $2,100 at launch is my guess.

My hunch specs are 10fps
Better weather sealing (probably as vague as that too)
15mp with improved ISO performance
30-45 AF points
Dual CF/SD card slots
Headphones jack for video
Probably have something really gimmicky like available in off-white or 120fps 480video

Looks good to me. Dropping the MP from 18 to 15 or 14 is a must.

if they could do this and get IQ equivalent to say the 1D4 it will be awesome
a baby 1D4!

going back to a previous discussion if they made it say a 25MP APS-H that shot say 5 or 6 FPS in H mode and 10FPS in crop mode at 15MP and be able to use EF-S lenses accepting the vignette in H mode vs C mode
it would be totally awesome. all the while keeping IQ at 1D4 levels for ISO noise etc.

But I doubt we will see something this good

 

[funkboy]

APS-H mirror clearance of EF-S lenses

going back to a previous discussion if they made it say a 25MP APS-H that shot say 5 or 6 FPS in H mode and 10FPS in crop mode at 15MP and be able to use EF-S lenses accepting the vignette in H mode vs C mode
it would be totally awesome.

Don't hold your breath... I'm pretty sure I remember a Chuck Westfall interview from a few years ago where he said that the Nikon-style "crop mode" wouldn't be possible due to mirror clearance of the rear element of EF-S lenses on cameras not designed for it. If you think about it, when they designed EF-S in the first place they probably would have made every effort to maximize the benefits of the design by getting the rear element as close as possible to an APS-C mirror while guaranteeing 100% clearance.

Long ago I hacked the plastic ring off the back of a cheap used 18-55 like Bob Atkins did to get it to work on my 10D. According to the measurements Bob mentions in the article the rear element just barely clears the mirror of the 10D, so in all likelyhood you can be pretty sure that an APS-H mirror would whack into it...

 

[KeithR]

Re: Canon 7D Mark II specs wishlist.

At 3200, it's either noise, nr-blur or artificial sharpness on nr-blur and the print or view size certainly cannot be 100%.

No, it's not. If this is what's happening in your case, it's down to you - your conversion and/or processing decisions need to be looked at.

I'll say it again. It's easy, but you need to figure it out.

 

[KeithR]

Re: Canon 7D Mark II specs wishlist.

Video is not clean at ISO 1600. 3200 looks awful.

Oh - so now we're talking about video?

You originally said:

I'm expecting clean images at 1600 and usable images up to 3200.

The 7D does clean 1600 ISO - and much higher - images, trivially easily.

It just does.

 

[KeithR]

Re: Canon 7D Mark II specs wishlist.

If you folks want to see a one stop improvement in noise, you're going to need to bring the 18mp down to 14, 15, or even 12. There's just way too many pixels for a crop sensor right now. It is a great camera, but they went too far there.

Completely wrong. No matter how many times it's repeated, it's utter bull to suggest that a lower pixel count will provide cleaner images.

Seriously. It's complete, unfounded crap.

 

[smirkypants]

Re: Canon 7D Mark II specs wishlist.

If you folks want to see a one stop improvement in noise, you're going to need to bring the 18mp down to 14, 15, or even 12. There's just way too many pixels for a crop sensor right now. It is a great camera, but they went too far there.

Completely wrong. No matter how many times it's repeated, it's utter bull to suggest that a lower pixel count will provide cleaner images.

Seriously. It's complete, unfounded crap.

This is one of those "all other things being equal" things. All other things aren't equal. All other things are NEVER equal. There's a lot of tech that goes into sensors and they are constantly improving. If you look at the noise tests of the 18MP 7D vs the 12MP D300s, the 7D usually wins. 50% more MPs and better noise performance. Even if you click on "round 2" to my eye the 7D wins.

http://www.photographybay.com/2009/10/27/canon-7d-vs-nikon-d300s-iso-test/

 

[KeithR]

Exactly, Smirky - I'm just so sick and tired of this baseless "less pixels = less noise" meme when all of the evidence I've ever found, all the testing and research into the subject, and everything I've seen with my own eyes so clearly proves that it's simply not the case at at the image level.

Even if we were in an "all things being equal" state, with two sensors absolutely identical in every particular except pixel density, I'm confident that the higher density sensor would still provide at least equal, and very likely better, IQ at the image level.

Sensor size matters, but at the image level pixel density does not, where noise is concerned.

 

[KeithR]

Just to really drive the point home (and no doubt gather up some more bad Karma from the Flat Earthers who persist with this unsupportable belief...)

 

[nesarajah]

Just to really drive the point home (and no doubt gather up some more bad Karma from the Flat Earthers who persist with this unsupportable belief...)

For driving home the point, you get 1 applaud.
I think this problem was only made worse by the D800's launch . pity that this is coming back again.

 

[stilscream]

Is it just me, or did those links prove the point further, less Mp will help with low light high ISO. Where all things being the same...as in, same size sensor (aps-c vs aps-c, FF vs ff and cmos vs cmos) and processor vs identical processor....lower Mp allows more light per mp, better DR, less Mp for the processor to correct....however you want to say it, there's less noise in lower Mp in low light. Some of these tests were clearly testing in bright studio lights or in bright daylight.

 

[risc32]

I think a lot of problems just come from the fact that most people are comparing these things by looking at 100% crops and not understanding that they are in effect just getting a much closer look at the noise with a higher MP camera.

 

[unfocused]

I get a little frustrated that these discussions seem to consistently degenerate into "more vs. less" and "bigger is better" debates.

What is kind of amusing is that sprinkled throughout the 50,000 different 5D III threads that have been started in the past few weeks is a undercurrent of frustration that the 5D III has fewer pixels than the new Nikon. Suddenly, it seems that some of the same people who have been preaching that the 7D is vastly inferior to the 5DII because of pixel density, now seem worried that the more dense D800 could outperform the 5D III.

Note, I am not saying it will, I'm just suggesting that there seems to be some inconsistency here.

My personal preference is that the 7DII retains at least the 18 mp it currently has. I find that to be an almost perfect number because it is sufficient to allow for printing large images when needed, allows for reasonable cropping when necessary and still retains manageable file sizes. I don't want to go down in resolution, but I'm not yearning for a big increase either.

 

[briansquibb]

My personal preference is that the 7DII retains at least the 18 mp it currently has. I find that to be an almost perfect number because it is sufficient to allow for printing large images when needed, allows for reasonable cropping when necessary and still retains manageable file sizes. I don't want to go down in resolution, but I'm not yearning for a big increase either.

I have found the 1d4 a little limited with the 16mp against the 5d/1ds3 21mp.

Personally I think that the more mp the better providing the DR and noise isn't compromised. I dont even care how Canon does it - the only important thing is that the sensor delivers.

 

[Marsu42]

Note, I am not saying it will, I'm just suggesting that there seems to be some inconsistency here.

Personally, I find it inconsistent that Canon used to say many mp are great for cropping (in the times when Nikon only had 12/16 mp vs Canon 18/21), but now somehow seems to have discovered that 18 or 22 is a magic number, it's all about iso and you shouldn't worry too much about cropping possibilities after all (this is the time when Nikon has 36 mp)...

 

[kdsand]

I know there are two bodies on lock down. How long they can sit in crate no idea.

 

[boateggs]

With everyone always shouting in the Mp vs noise argument, and the recent score that higher Mp improves the noise, could this just be an improvement in circuity/micro lenses rather than higher Mp is better? This makes more sense to me than the Mp argument. Comparing 3 year old tech to current tech is hogwash in an "all things equal" comparison unless one takes into account that the manufacturing process probably is shrunk and efficiency is improved, among other non-marketing improvements

 

[Michael7]

Re: Canon 7D Mark II specs wishlist.

If you folks want to see a one stop improvement in noise, you're going to need to bring the 18mp down to 14, 15, or even 12. There's just way too many pixels for a crop sensor right now. It is a great camera, but they went too far there.

Completely wrong. No matter how many times it's repeated, it's utter bull to suggest that a lower pixel count will provide cleaner images.

Seriously. It's complete, unfounded crap.

What an overreaction. Maybe it's time to turn off the computer and go outside for a bit.

 

[Heidrun]

IF there is no new 7D mk II

What is the most likely model to apear from Canon then.
I have a 1D mk III. But need more MP and i cant afford 1D mk IV or 1DX