Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

[briansquibb]

I don't see Canon pushing a "70D" upwards.

This is where we differ. I believe they will.

Depends on what you mean by "a special sensor".

Right now Canon is using the same 18mp sensor for the Rebels, the 60D, and the 7D.
By a "a special sensor" for the 7DII I meant a sensor used exlcusively in the 7DII.

For example, let's say Canon puts a new 22mp sensor in the 70D and also in the next-gen Rebels - the same way as today.
Let's also say that they move the 70D upwards in terms of specs and price.
In this case I see no room in the lineup for a 22mp 7DII, as the 7DII would be basically identical to the 70D.

However, if Canon puts a 16mp sensor in the 7DII (or a 28mp sensor), then the 7D line might continue.

The point is, the 7DII sensor has to be different from the 70D and the Rebels for the 7D line to continue.
Otherwise, I don't see Canon keeping the 7D line in the lineup.

This is where the APS-H could re-appear

 

[nicku]

Canon slotted the 60D perfectly in-between the Rebels and the 7D.
Yet, the 60D is perceived as a super-Rebel and Canon is forced to sell it at Rebel prices.

To change that, Canon will likely spec the 70D better ... which will make it very close (identical?) to the 7D.

The only way I could see Canon having both 70D and 7DII in their lineup is if they put a different sensor in the 7DII.
Some new 1.6x sensor, with better low-light abilities than the sensor(s) in the next-gen Rebels and the 70D.

It's quite unlikely, though, that Canon will make a special sensor just for the 7DII.
More likely the 7D line will just be discontinued.

Nobody ( here on this thread ) have taked in consideration the Nikon D300S replacement.

I am almost 100% sure that will be a 7D2. They will just not allow Nikon to rule supreme in the crop sensor Pro body segment. Don't mention the HUGE, HUGE commercial success of the current 7D camera.

The only question ( in my opinion) is when this will happen ?? before the new Nikon D400 is announced or shortly after (like D800 vs 5D3 case).

 

[funkboy]

Nobody ( here on this thread ) has taken into consideration the Nikon D300S replacement.

Not since the first page anyway...

But you're right. The 7D (& the forking of the "prosumer" lineup to 7D & 60D) was basically Canon's response to the Nikon D300 (the 60D could be seen as a response to the D90) & the demand for a more professional crop camera. In a way, ever since the D3 and D300 came out Nikon has been calling the shots on what the market segments should look like, & it's been up to Canon to try to beat them at their own game. It certainly took a while for them to react but I think that with the 5DII and 7D they were pretty much there, & they'll certainly continue that strategy for quite a while longer. The industry is just on the tail end of the recovery from Fukushima, the banks breaking the economy, and the Thai floods; no one can afford a shakeup right now...

...Which is why they're both scared of Fujifilm. Right now, the X-Pro 1 is the smallest, least expensive, and sexiest camera with wedding-photographer grade image quality, and Fuji still has plenty of other tricks up their sleeves to roll out over the next year or so. I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a year's time we have a Fuji camera in the same size class and price bracket as the X10 with image quality as good as the current 7D.

 

[briansquibb]

...Which is why they're both scared of Fujifilm. Right now, the X-Pro 1 is the smallest, least expensive, and sexiest camera with wedding-photographer grade image quality, and Fuji still has plenty of other tricks up their sleeves to roll out over the next year or so. I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a year's time we have a Fuji camera in the same size class and price bracket as the X10 with image quality as good as the current 7D.

1. 7D is hardly a wedding grade camera
2. There isn't the range of lens to shoot a wedding.

Fujifilm will be a bit player for some time

 

[smirkypants]

1. 7D is hardly a wedding grade camera

It depends upon which corner of the trailer park you live in. Not everyone shoots $100,000 weddings.

 

[briansquibb]

1. 7D is hardly a wedding grade camera

It depends upon which corner of the trailer park you live in. Not everyone shoots $100,000 weddings.

True - a 10D would do it OK too

I would start true wedding grade with the 5Dc or 5DII

 

[lonelywhitelights]

Re: Canon 7D Mark II specs wishlist.

New APS-C 18 MP sensor

Digic 5+ processor

All-I/IPB compression formats

Reduced Moire and rolling shutter

Flip out LCD

Headphone Jack

Manual Audio and on screen meters

Clean video at ISO 1600

Same great build quality as the 7D

$1999 or lower price point

7D replacement will never have a flip out LCD screen, it compromises build quality, build materials and weather sealing. For sports and wildlife shooters - a flip out LCD is completely pointless and not needed since the eye is generally glued to the view finder - for the indie film community it's pointless again because external monitors are used for higher resolution instead of the LCD

 

[kevl]

I'm hoping the 7DII will be all about the sensor quality with some modest autofocus improvements. (all else being just gravy)

My plan had been to upgrade from the T3i to the 5DMkIII but the price is way outside of my dream budget. So I am really hoping that the 7DII will be all about sensor quality.

Please please please Canon, please please!

Kev

 

[funkboy]

1. 7D is hardly a wedding grade camera

Uhm, I didn't say anything about the 7D & weddings; I was talking about the X-Pro 1:

Right now, the X-Pro 1 is the smallest, least expensive, and sexiest camera with wedding-photographer grade image quality, and Fuji still has plenty of other tricks up their sleeves to roll out over the next year or so.

I certainly wouldn't use it as my only camera, but with the 3 lenses they're shipping at release I think most professionals would be perfectly comfortable shooting a wedding with the X-pro 1 and 18/35/60mm trio (and maybe an adapted Nokton for posed portraits). I'd want another body like a 5D with an ultrawide on it and maybe a zoom in the bag just in case, but that would pretty much do it for me.

2. There isn't the range of lens to shoot a wedding. Fujifilm will be a bit player for some time

AF lens options will be limited for another year or so perhaps... You can be sure that there are a lot of wedding/artistic/street/travel shooters out there without the dosh for a digital Leica M that own M glass that are looking very keenly at moving up to the X-pro 1. The best adapted mirrorless options up 'till now (pana, oly, sony, ricoh, etc.) have been OK but none of them feel or handle like a rangefinder like the Fuji does, and the image quality speaks for itsself. The fact that Fuji's AF lenses cost half as much as their Canon L or Sony/Zeiss counterparts will certainly push adoption as well.

 

[briansquibb]

I certainly wouldn't use it as my only camera, but with the 3 lenses they're shipping at release I think most professionals would be perfectly comfortable shooting a wedding with the X-pro 1 and 18/35/60mm trio (and maybe an adapted Nokton for posed portraits). I'd want another body like a 5D with an ultrawide on it and maybe a zoom in the bag just in case, but that would pretty much do it for me.

I dont think wedding togs would like that at all.

 

[funkboy]

I dont think wedding togs would like that at all.

Consider me smoten

 

[wickidwombat]

Nobody ( here on this thread ) has taken into consideration the Nikon D300S replacement.

Not since the first page anyway...

But you're right. The 7D (& the forking of the "prosumer" lineup to 7D & 60D) was basically Canon's response to the Nikon D300 (the 60D could be seen as a response to the D90) & the demand for a more professional crop camera. In a way, ever since the D3 and D300 came out Nikon has been calling the shots on what the market segments should look like, & it's been up to Canon to try to beat them at their own game. It certainly took a while for them to react but I think that with the 5DII and 7D they were pretty much there, & they'll certainly continue that strategy for quite a while longer. The industry is just on the tail end of the recovery from Fukushima, the banks breaking the economy, and the Thai floods; no one can afford a shakeup right now...

...Which is why they're both scared of Fujifilm. Right now, the X-Pro 1 is the smallest, least expensive, and sexiest camera with wedding-photographer grade image quality, and Fuji still has plenty of other tricks up their sleeves to roll out over the next year or so. I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a year's time we have a Fuji camera in the same size class and price bracket as the X10 with image quality as good as the current 7D.

Since I cant get smitted anymore i'm going to go out on a limb and say I think the fuji X10 image quality is better than the current canon 18MP sensor. it definately wins hands down in high ISO RAW and iso 100
strange considering its smaller sensor...

 

[briansquibb]

Nobody ( here on this thread ) has taken into consideration the Nikon D300S replacement.

Not since the first page anyway...

But you're right. The 7D (& the forking of the "prosumer" lineup to 7D & 60D) was basically Canon's response to the Nikon D300 (the 60D could be seen as a response to the D90) & the demand for a more professional crop camera. In a way, ever since the D3 and D300 came out Nikon has been calling the shots on what the market segments should look like, & it's been up to Canon to try to beat them at their own game. It certainly took a while for them to react but I think that with the 5DII and 7D they were pretty much there, & they'll certainly continue that strategy for quite a while longer. The industry is just on the tail end of the recovery from Fukushima, the banks breaking the economy, and the Thai floods; no one can afford a shakeup right now...

...Which is why they're both scared of Fujifilm. Right now, the X-Pro 1 is the smallest, least expensive, and sexiest camera with wedding-photographer grade image quality, and Fuji still has plenty of other tricks up their sleeves to roll out over the next year or so. I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a year's time we have a Fuji camera in the same size class and price bracket as the X10 with image quality as good as the current 7D.

Since I cant get smitted anymore i'm going to go out on a limb and say I think the fuji X10 image quality is better than the current canon 18MP sensor. it definately wins hands down in high ISO RAW and iso 100
strange considering its smaller sensor...

Never liked the 7D IQ - so quite probably, but not close to the the 5s and 1s

 

[wickidwombat]

Never liked the 7D IQ - so quite probably, but not close to the the 5s and 1s

oh no way, I put it's IQ close to the 1Dmk3 but the 1Dmk3 wins i think, i've been meaning to do a head head shootout between the 2 for fun with the 1D3 using the 14-105 f4 IS vs the x10 28-112 f2-2.8 IS
10MP vs 12MP both shoot at 10FPS

 

[briansquibb]

Never liked the 7D IQ - so quite probably, but not close to the the 5s and 1s

oh no way, I put it's IQ close to the 1Dmk3 but the 1Dmk3 wins i think, i've been meaning to do a head head shootout between the 2 for fun with the 1D3 using the 14-105 f4 IS vs the x10 28-112 f2-2.8 IS
10MP vs 12MP both shoot at 10FPS

Roll on the 7D2 complete with aps-h, pro af, twin cards, 16 mps and 10fps

 

[wickidwombat]

Never liked the 7D IQ - so quite probably, but not close to the the 5s and 1s

oh no way, I put it's IQ close to the 1Dmk3 but the 1Dmk3 wins i think, i've been meaning to do a head head shootout between the 2 for fun with the 1D3 using the 14-105 f4 IS vs the x10 28-112 f2-2.8 IS
10MP vs 12MP both shoot at 10FPS

Roll on the 7D2 complete with aps-h, pro af, twin cards, 16 mps and 10fps

yep I really hope they do that with the 7D2 that is exactly what I want.
it'll never happen though we'll have to keep dreaming about a baby 1D4

 

[pj1974]

While I have been following the 'relatively' recent rumours and then announcements of the 1DX and 5DmkIII... it is the 7DmkII that I'm really most interested in.

The reason is that I have a 7D and I do not plan to move to a FF camera (at least, not at this stage). I enjoy photography as a serious and passionate hobby, and I take photos covering a wide variety of situations and genre.

I'm very happy with the 7D, though I do acknowledge actual image quality could be improved upon (noise at both low and higher ISO settings and dynamic range). There are also other improvements that could be implemented in a 7D replacement's handling and functionality too... However having written that, I find the 7D the most suitable camera for my needs and price range.

Personally, I don't think that the 7D successor (aka 7DmkII) will be an APS-H camera. Actually I think that the APS-H sensor won't be produced by Canon any more, for any camera. Particularly with the announcement and release of the 1DX, I think the current / new Canon focus will be on APS-C for budget / entry level and 'reach' - and FF for megapixels and professionals.

I have a core set of lenses that I'm very happy with (including the Canon EF-S 15-85mm USM IS and the Sigma 10-20mm EX - which are only suitable for Canon APS-C cameras). I also love the 70-300mm L on my 7D (giving me the 'equivalent' of a 112 - 480mm in 35mm format). The Canon 100mm USM macro rounds out this 'core lens set'.

So as a few people have already mentioned, I hope that the major improvement to the 7D will be better image quality (eg less noise at all ISOs). If they improve the AF and FPS, that will be a bonus. But I'm very content with the current 19 cross-type AF points and the 8 FPS. For example 2 weeks ago I took a series of bird in flight photos that I'm very happy with, and have received a lot of praise and appreciation from many people, including many serious photographers. See the photos attached to this post (note they have been downscaled for web).

Therefore I'm looking forward to what the future holds. I doubt that I'll 'jump' at the new 7DmkII when it's released, unless my current 7D is dead or 'on the way out' - and the 7DmkII street price upon release seems right. I expect I'll wait till I'll really need a replacement / new camera. Who knows, that might be when the 7DmkIII is being rumoured about... or even released. I used my Canon 350D from 2005 till I got my 7D in late 2009, and I use my 350D as a backup, and it still takes good photos (even with a high - over 80,000 shutter count!) 8)

Best regards....

Paul

 

[wickidwombat]

Nice shots Paul!

I really wanted to get a 7D because its smaller than the 1D but when i compared it I still found the aging 1D to be better i was very sad, I really hope the 7Dmk2 fixes up the sensor
and I am sure they will give it the 61pt sensor too, I'm pretty confident the 7D2 will stay APS-C as much as i wish for an APS-H small form factor i doubt i'll see one :'(

also unfortunately I expect any 7Dmk2 to come in at around $2500 which will make alot of people unhappy
me included but that seems to be the way of things

Ideally it would be nice if it were closer to $2000 but thats wishfull thinking

I posted some pics from the 1D3 with the 600f4.5 FD lens here
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3594.0.html

 

[RC]

Paul those are great shots! Thanks for sharing. Would you mind sharing your settings? I'm specifically interested in what AF mode you use when shooting in AI Servo (moving/tracking subjects).

I've been experimenting with different modes (single point expansion, zone, etc.), and have not come to any real conclusion. I do realize it depends on what you are shooting, distance, and so on.

 

[x-vision]

Roll on the 7D2 complete with aps-h, pro af, twin cards, 16 mps and 10fps

Right, at a price above the 5DIII .

Canon's new slogan: Just pay for it (if you can)!