And i'll be pissed when the 6D drops to $1600 by summer. Oh well. That's why I don't bother looking at the price again of a product once I purchase it. Too depressing.
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Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
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verysimplejason said:Renegade Runner said:
Then why not buy it only by summer? You've still got the very good Ti1.
I am one of those people who has to be one of the first to buy a new product. My rebel still works well. I just wanted to upgrade and introduce myself to the world of full frame. No regrets. I could never have waited until summer. Just a sickness I have. ;D
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jebrady03 said:
I don't think anyone on this thread said that. But if you're putting food on the table with a photography career it's very important to know how competitive you need to be in order to deliver modern results. We're not living in caves anymore, so people know what to expect from results, if not the camera. Not everyone can shoot the same camera past 150,000 clicks or so for 4-5 years without compromise. My 5D2's shutter died on the job, thankfully I had my 5D classic (which surprisingly outlasted my old mark II) and the shutter replacement through Canon cost about half as much as the body's current pricing. I had the option to send it in for 2-3 weeks and a risked delay, or buy a new body to take care of all my bookings. Well, realizing the fact that I'd be shooting a new body for an x amount of years for a heavy amount of shutter duty, another 5D2 would put me yet another generation behind and give me the same results. Most importantly, look at where I said "x amount of years, heavy shutter use". Lets put performance and image quality aside. The 5D2 is still a great camera today, and in some cases, so is my 5D classic. I can still do my job with them. But in the end, you have to deliver results. The more results you deliver will move you towards more and better clients. Photos are so viral, one bad photo because you "had to settle due to iso and af limitations" can easily turn what should have been a referral into an "awww, our wine toasting shot could have been nicer if this particular shot was in focus or if this one wasnt so grainy". I'm getting a lot more keepers on my 5D mark III than I ever did in past generations of cameras. More keepers will keep up with modern demands. Was it worth buying early? Hell yes it was. My workflow got faster both on the field and in post, even if just that it's worth the money for the next 4-5 years.
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I know being a professional photographer is very competitive, but I don't know if camera choice is that relevant. At work, we regularly engage photographers for assignments. And I see a wide variety of equipment used. The majority are using 5Dii's and 1 series bodies. I saw my first 5Diii only a month or so ago. But I've seen rebels being used. There was even a bloke who turned up with a Nikon! Generally, when we're meeting photographers, just out of curiosity, one of the first questions is "what type of camera do you have?". I remember one girl who said a 500D. It raised an eyebrow, but a quick meeting made it clear that she knew her stuff and a car full of lighting equipment reinforced this. At the end of the day, we put our trust in the photographer to deliver. And a professional photographer generally will. To us, it more important that the photographer understands what we want than the camera they use. (....although...admittedly....if you have a 1Dx, Hasselblad, etc it does make a very good first impression).
We've used the Nikon guy for a few jobs. Shows how little the marketplace cares about the camera used.
We've used the Nikon guy for a few jobs. Shows how little the marketplace cares about the camera used.
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Hillsilly said:
Cause it doesnt matter as long as ur camera is not vintage old. For good impressions you can always go boy broken 1DX or Hasselblad props. Just say its your "2nd body just in case" 8)
Its not a sickness, you are just too fearful that you will miss something if u buy late
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I don't want anyone to think I am a fanboy - but I don't think the 5D Miii is way overpriced.
When I first started shooting digital circa 2000, making the shift from film, I switched from Nikon 35mm to canon 10D. Since the, I have been tied to the system I had decided was best at the time. Each camera from that time has offered excellent image quality and features, all on par or in some cases better than Nikon.
Fast forward to 2012, and I was an early adopter of the 5D miii. Knowing full well that the price would drop, I took the risk to get a camera that on paper boasted all of the features I was looking for. I have not regretted my decision one bit. The camera is astonishingly good, allowing me to shoot in situations that were impossible with previous cameras.
Is the price high? Yes. But it is worth every penny. I have the 5D Mii, which I thought was really great when I bought it. The Miii is leaps and bounds better. Even the build feels more solid.
Innovation and higher standards cost more money. And other than the 1DX, this is the best camera Canon has ever offered and at half the price of the flagship model.
Is it better than the Nikon D800? I honestly don't know - and don't care. I have too many lenses and flashes to even think about switching systems. As someone else stated earlier - if you can't afford it - then it is not the right camera for you. Be happy with what you have and create the best work you can.
In the end, no one cares if you shot a master work with a Rebel or a D800 or 1DX. Other than fellow photographers, no one has ever asked me what camera I shot a great photo with.
When I first started shooting digital circa 2000, making the shift from film, I switched from Nikon 35mm to canon 10D. Since the, I have been tied to the system I had decided was best at the time. Each camera from that time has offered excellent image quality and features, all on par or in some cases better than Nikon.
Fast forward to 2012, and I was an early adopter of the 5D miii. Knowing full well that the price would drop, I took the risk to get a camera that on paper boasted all of the features I was looking for. I have not regretted my decision one bit. The camera is astonishingly good, allowing me to shoot in situations that were impossible with previous cameras.
Is the price high? Yes. But it is worth every penny. I have the 5D Mii, which I thought was really great when I bought it. The Miii is leaps and bounds better. Even the build feels more solid.
Innovation and higher standards cost more money. And other than the 1DX, this is the best camera Canon has ever offered and at half the price of the flagship model.
Is it better than the Nikon D800? I honestly don't know - and don't care. I have too many lenses and flashes to even think about switching systems. As someone else stated earlier - if you can't afford it - then it is not the right camera for you. Be happy with what you have and create the best work you can.
In the end, no one cares if you shot a master work with a Rebel or a D800 or 1DX. Other than fellow photographers, no one has ever asked me what camera I shot a great photo with.
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dilbert said:
From About.com
"Double Declining Balance Depreciation
The double declining balance depreciation method is like the straight-line method on steroids. To use it, accountants first calculate depreciation as if they were using the straight line method. They then figure out the total percentage of the asset that is depreciated the first year and double it. Each subsequent year, that same percentage is multiplied by the remaining balance to be depreciated. At some point, the value will be lower than the straight-line charge, at which point, the double declining method will be scrapped and straight line used for the remainder of the asset’s life (got all that?). An illustration may help.
In our straight-line example, we calculated that a $5,000 computer with a $200 salvage value and an estimated useful life of three years would be depreciated by $1,600 annually. The first year, we have to compare this to the total amount to be depreciated, in this case, $4,800 ($5,000 base - $200 salvage value = $4,800). Dividing $1,600 by $4,800, we discover the straight-line depreciation charge of $1,600 is 33.33% of the total depreciation amount of $4,800. Using this information, we double the 33.33% figure to 66.67%.
In the first year, we would take $4,800 multiplied by .6667 to get a total depreciation charge of approximately $3,200. In the second year, we would take the same percentage (66.67%) and multiply it by the remaining amount to be depreciated. Continuing with the example, we find that $1,600 is the remaining amount to be depreciated at the start of the second year ($4,800 - $3,200 = $1,600). Multiply 1,600 by .6667 to get $1,066. This is the depreciation charge for the second year – or not! Remember that once the depreciation charges dip below the amount that would be charged using the straight-line method, the double declining balance is scrapped and straight line immediately utilized. The straight line method called for charges of $1,600 per year. Obviously, the $1,066 charge is smaller than the $1,600 that would have occurred under straight line. Thus, the deprecation charge for the second year would be $1,600.
For those of you who love algebra, you may find it easier to use this equation:
Double Declining Balance Depreciation Method Formula
Depreciation Base * (2 * 100% / Useful Life of Asset in Years) "
(above quote cited under Fair-Use doctrine)
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Sorry for your pain, man, but I'm super glad that the price dropped, cause I just purchased a 5D3 that was almost $1000 less than MSRP. I've been holding out for a deal like this for a long time. I'm sure it will go down in value later, but I'm gonna get my money's worth out of it. Which, I think, should be everybody's attitude, no matter what you paid for your equipment, get your money's worth out of it! It's like going to an all you can eat buffet. Pig out! Then go back for more.
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In spite of the unusual political atmosphere in which the US are mired, I haven't heard that they have yet passed a law requiring anyone to buy any new Canon product.
If you looked at the price, maybe gulped a bit, but STILL bought it, you have no complaint coming. It was YOUR decision to buy, so if anyone is to blame, look in the mirror.
Why not just enjoy it . . . :
If you looked at the price, maybe gulped a bit, but STILL bought it, you have no complaint coming. It was YOUR decision to buy, so if anyone is to blame, look in the mirror.
Why not just enjoy it . . . :
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dilbert said:Radiating said:
Lol
Lol
Then you should understand that when it comes to electronics such as digital cameras are not investments and that if you were a business owning them then you would be writing off a sizeable fraction of the capital cost each year due to this.
On the other hand, if you actually thought that digital cameras were worthy of being an investment and you do investments for other people as a profession then I'm hella glad that I'm not your client and have pity on those that are!
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bdunbar79 said:
Not complaining. Just stating the truth. I enjoy being screwed by big companies. Don't you?
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bdunbar79 said:
By over pricing their products. I am aware that I am being charged too much. But I don't care. I will continue to buy Canon.
As a Canon user you must know you are paying quite a bit for their product. You may not care, but it is true.
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Personally I love what Canon brings to the market but their prices for new gear of late has been outrageous. I haven't been stung - I bought a 5dMK2 just as the 5D3 came out so actually I got a good deal. I wouldnt spend that much on a body - much rather have last year's body and a top lens.
My biggest concern is for people who bought the 5D3 thinking it was the replacement for the 5D2, so they bought it and then Canon announce the 6D. I thought that was borderline misleading the customer, particularly as the 5D3 was significantly more expensive but carried the 5D lineage.
Also the 6D has built in wifi and GPS - that's got to be a kick in the balls for some 5D3 owners.
Make no mistake - Canon is charging its customers for the lost revenue caused by the 2011 tsunami.
I don't like it and I don't love Canon like I might but the next best option is Nikon and their lens range is crap in comparrison to Canon's.
My biggest concern is for people who bought the 5D3 thinking it was the replacement for the 5D2, so they bought it and then Canon announce the 6D. I thought that was borderline misleading the customer, particularly as the 5D3 was significantly more expensive but carried the 5D lineage.
Also the 6D has built in wifi and GPS - that's got to be a kick in the balls for some 5D3 owners.
Make no mistake - Canon is charging its customers for the lost revenue caused by the 2011 tsunami.
I don't like it and I don't love Canon like I might but the next best option is Nikon and their lens range is crap in comparrison to Canon's.
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Mark1 said:
err, the 5D III DID replace the 5D II, if you note the price on release, both were about the same (counting inflation/currency variation over time) - it was pretty much what every 5D II user wanted the camera to be. 6D is a new line entirely, aimed at the more budget conscious, without the build quality and "pro" features expected of a 5 series. Just because the price of the 6D on release is closer to the 5D II at the end of its life doesn't make it a replacement...
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