Canon Continues Marketshare Dominance in Japan

[Woody]

No. Something seems wrong with the statistics. I agree with you that Sony has to be ahead in the mirrorless segment. And where is Fuji?

That is for the Japanese market alone. The figures for global MILC marketshares will be quite different.

Fujifilm is far behind Canon, Olympus and Panasonic. Technology alone is not going to get you the marketshares. Check out the history of Minolta and Pentax.

 

[Loswr]

Great - just because some ten thousand uninformed people on an island at the end of the world still buy lame products, the rest of the world has to wait years for urgent improvements regarding stabilization, video quality, articulating screens, EVF and dozens of other features

Sony is losing ILC market share to Canon globally. So is the entire world is uninformed? More likely, it's just you, doug. :

Oh, and I guess your 50 friends, too...

 

[docsmith]

Same experience coming from Sony to Canon. I had no idea cameras can be as easy, painless and fun to shoot as Canon's.

Hmmm... I was considering if I should get myself a Sony A7 to try out... Looks like I'm better off just by staying put.

I am coming across this sentiment repeatedly. I am looking for a pocketable camera and thought I would check out Sony by getting the RX100 V. I've tried it in a store 3 times. Amazing AF, fps, and buffer. The EVF is nothing if not creative. But each time I didn't "enjoy" the camera and I disliked the menus, ergonomics, etc. Then I started reading professional and user reviews and this "if you want specs, buy Sony, but if you want to enjoy using your camera, buy something else" has popped up repeatedly, even in DPReviews conclusion on the V.

 

[Loswr]

Then I started reading professional and user reviews and this "if you want specs, buy Sony, but if you want to enjoy using your camera, buy something else" has popped up repeatedly, even in DPReviews conclusion on the V.

To paraphrase, specs don't shoot pictures, people shoot pictures.

 

[goldenhusky]

Same experience coming from Sony to Canon. I had no idea cameras can be as easy, painless and fun to shoot as Canon's.

Hmmm... I was considering if I should get myself a Sony A7 to try out... Looks like I'm better off just by staying put.

If you are not in to video shooting don't bother getting A7x you might be disappointed. I bought a A6300 quite honestly I am not happy with the color rendition and I heard the same about A7x from different Sony shooters. I have to edit every single picture which is wasting a lot of time. I am keeping the A6300 for 2 reasons 1) casual video capturing at 4k and high frame rate (slomo) 2) 11 FPS shooting speed. If canon gives me these in a full frame 5D body at the $3500 price point or even a 7D3 with the latest sensor tech and touch, tilty flippy screen, I will get rid of the Sony. It is a known fact that the A7x focusing system is not on par with Canon's. I bought a A6000 prior to getting the A6300 and hated it coz my Rebel t5i got way more shots in focus than the A6000 in the same lighting conditions. I am pointing this out because the A7x focusing system dates back to A6300. Sony has better dynamic range but with 5D4 and 80D that gap is also reduced. Other things like focus peaking, zebra, s logs, etc will be helpful only if you shoot videos. I rarely shoot videos and I don't edit videos so I don't care about s logs or c logs. This is highly subjective but I like OVF over the Sony's EVF. So for me Sony was a disappointment. Hope that helps.

 

[Orangutan]

Great - just because some ten thousand uninformed people on an island at the end of the world still buy lame products, the rest of the world has to wait years for urgent improvements regarding stabilization, video quality, articulating screens, EVF and dozens of other features

Econ 101.

 

[jeffa4444]

The only stats that are accurate are the overall camera sales manufacturers submit blindly to CIPA.

 

[jeffa4444]

Should have tagged this to the side.

 

[Woody]

From Thom Hogan:

"This, of course, disturbs the fan boys, who expect that their maker's flagship—XT-2, EM-1II, GH5, A7rII, etc.—should be mopping up. That's not the way it works. Most of the camera buying action is at a much lower level. It's really the entry-consumer up to the mid-consumer levels that tend to speak to market share."
- http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/japanese-market-shares.html

"Canon's now outselling Nikon 2:1 in their home market. Is the Japanese management at HQ not hearing the customers that surround them every day and speak their own language? Quite obviously, Nikon is failing to connect to customers, and not just in the US, but at home, too. Whether that's due to price, product, or promotion I can't say for sure, but something isn't working, and it's not working right in front of Nikon management's eyes...

Meanwhile, Nikon doesn't show up in the top three for mirrorless cameras according to BCN, which means that Nikon's ILC market share is going down in the home market, too. Somehow Nikon has managed to retain the number two market share in compact cameras—though remember that market is getting much, much smaller every year.

But let's look at lenses: oops, Sigma now has moved into second place and pushed Nikon to third in the Japan market. Again we see strong erosion. Nikon had 23.2% of the interchangeable lens market in 2009. Let's look at the yearly numbers since: 20.4, 19.7, 19.6, 18.9, 15.2, 15.2, and last year 12.5%. That look like a strong showing to you?

...The bigger problem, of course, is that the camera market itself is shrinking. Thus, when you perform poorly, even if you are able to eventually fix those problems, you might not grow overall. The market shrinkage might eat up the volume growth. But what's happening to Nikon is far worse: they're losing market share in a shrinking market. While I don't have retail numbers for the US and Europe for 2016 to look at yet, you can verify that this is a worldwide trend for Nikon just by looking at the CIPA shipment numbers coupled with Nikon's own detailed financials: Nikon is losing market share in ILC cameras and lenses."
- http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikons-slow-failure-in.html

 

[Woody]

The only stats that are accurate are the overall camera sales manufacturers submit blindly to CIPA.

CIPA chart reflects global (not just Japan) shipping (not sales) numbers.

BCNRanking chart shows sales numbers in Japanese market only.

From CIPA chart and manufacturer quarterly report, one deduces the global marketshares. But bear in mind, it's based on shipping numbers, not sales.

 

[SpartanII]

Looking at the mirrorless marketshare data, I immediately thought of neuro and begin chuckling. Am sure the OP will be screen captured for future reference.

I wouldn't be surprised - it does make for quite impressive reading

In all fairness and a few have people mentioned this already, this is a reflection of Japan's market. Am wondering if Japan gets a little something extra in the box (50mm stm) that export markets don't. ( I kid)

 

[eosuser1234]

Japan has no free 50mm STM in DSLR kits.
#CPLfilterstoblockthehaters

 

[ritholtz]

From Thom Hogan:

"This, of course, disturbs the fan boys, who expect that their maker's flagship—XT-2, EM-1II, GH5, A7rII, etc.—should be mopping up. That's not the way it works. Most of the camera buying action is at a much lower level. It's really the entry-consumer up to the mid-consumer levels that tend to speak to market share."
- http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/japanese-market-shares.html

"Canon's now outselling Nikon 2:1 in their home market. Is the Japanese management at HQ not hearing the customers that surround them every day and speak their own language? Quite obviously, Nikon is failing to connect to customers, and not just in the US, but at home, too. Whether that's due to price, product, or promotion I can't say for sure, but something isn't working, and it's not working right in front of Nikon management's eyes...

Meanwhile, Nikon doesn't show up in the top three for mirrorless cameras according to BCN, which means that Nikon's ILC market share is going down in the home market, too. Somehow Nikon has managed to retain the number two market share in compact cameras—though remember that market is getting much, much smaller every year.

But let's look at lenses: oops, Sigma now has moved into second place and pushed Nikon to third in the Japan market. Again we see strong erosion. Nikon had 23.2% of the interchangeable lens market in 2009. Let's look at the yearly numbers since: 20.4, 19.7, 19.6, 18.9, 15.2, 15.2, and last year 12.5%. That look like a strong showing to you?

...The bigger problem, of course, is that the camera market itself is shrinking. Thus, when you perform poorly, even if you are able to eventually fix those problems, you might not grow overall. The market shrinkage might eat up the volume growth. But what's happening to Nikon is far worse: they're losing market share in a shrinking market. While I don't have retail numbers for the US and Europe for 2016 to look at yet, you can verify that this is a worldwide trend for Nikon just by looking at the CIPA shipment numbers coupled with Nikon's own detailed financials: Nikon is losing market share in ILC cameras and lenses."
- http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikons-slow-failure-in.html

For all the talk of people moving from Canon to Sony mirrorless, some thing else has happened in Japan. All Sony DSLR users moved to Canon. No one gained except Canon.

 

[Dylan777]

I used to spend 8k to $10k per year on Canon dslr. Last 2yrs, I decided to switch to mirror less 100%, couldn't be happier with my a7rii,a7sii and GM lenses. Recently acquired x-t2 and some fast primes. I have to say, Fuji really know how to build cameras and lenses.

I spent zero dollar on Canon last 3yrs and more likely not anytime soon, especially new Fuji MF mirrorless system just got released. The prices are within reach for many of us.

 

[Hflm]

I used to spend 8k to $10k per year on Canon dslr. Last 2yrs, I decided to switch to mirror less 100%, couldn't be happier with my a7rii,a7sii and GM lenses. Recently acquired x-t2 and some fast primes. I have to say, Fuji really know how to build cameras and lenses.

I spent zero dollar on Canon last 3yrs and more likely not anytime soon, especially new Fuji MF mirrorless system just got released. The prices are within reach for many of us.

It all depends on your use case. We use Canon and Sony for weddings. The a7rii, a great camera, is not responsive enough occasionally to rely on it a 100%. Using flashes is an other issue, the Sony flash mount being a pain to use (flashes don't fit tight, flash foot is cheap plastics which can be easily teared of when rotating a flash head, esp. with cheaper Godox flashes). The 5div is now dual purpose for as, as we can use it like a mirrorless with touch screen, if desired, even in very low light.
I don't think that the medium format prices are within reach for many. What is meant with "many"? People complain about price increases which can be readily observed right now already. The masses buy smart phones or entry level stuff and only a minority will spend a lot to finance MF, which leads to possibly larger bodies, lenses, etc. Spending 10k a year as you did before is certainly not what the majority does. You are amongst a smaller minority of enthusiasts.

 

[LDS]

Great - just because some ten thousand uninformed people on an island at the end of the world still buy lame products, the rest of the world has to wait years for urgent improvements regarding stabilization, video quality, articulating screens, EVF and dozens of other features

As long as they are the same people who research design and build the cameras and lenses... other countries are free to fill the gap with new, better products and lower prices...

And from Japan "the end of the world" is on the other side of the planet....

 

[Woody]

I used to spend 8k to $10k per year on Canon dslr. Last 2yrs, I decided to switch to mirror less 100%, couldn't be happier with my a7rii,a7sii and GM lenses. Recently acquired x-t2 and some fast primes. I have to say, Fuji really know how to build cameras and lenses.

I spent zero dollar on Canon last 3yrs and more likely not anytime soon, especially new Fuji MF mirrorless system just got released. The prices are within reach for many of us.

To reiterate from Thom Hogan:

"This, of course, disturbs the fan boys, who expect that their maker's flagship—XT-2, EM-1II, GH5, A7rII, etc.—should be mopping up. That's not the way it works. Most of the camera buying action is at a much lower level. It's really the entry-consumer up to the mid-consumer levels that tend to speak to market share."
- http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/japanese-market-shares.html

You clearly belong to the minority.

 

[sebasan]

I used to spend 8k to $10k per year on Canon dslr. Last 2yrs, I decided to switch to mirror less 100%, couldn't be happier with my a7rii,a7sii and GM lenses. Recently acquired x-t2 and some fast primes. I have to say, Fuji really know how to build cameras and lenses.

I spent zero dollar on Canon last 3yrs and more likely not anytime soon, especially new Fuji MF mirrorless system just got released. The prices are within reach for many of us.

To reiterate from Thom Hogan:

"This, of course, disturbs the fan boys, who expect that their maker's flagship—XT-2, EM-1II, GH5, A7rII, etc.—should be mopping up. That's not the way it works. Most of the camera buying action is at a much lower level. It's really the entry-consumer up to the mid-consumer levels that tend to speak to market share."
- http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/japanese-market-shares.html

You clearly belong to the minority.

Clearly

 

[Dylan777]

I used to spend 8k to $10k per year on Canon dslr. Last 2yrs, I decided to switch to mirror less 100%, couldn't be happier with my a7rii,a7sii and GM lenses. Recently acquired x-t2 and some fast primes. I have to say, Fuji really know how to build cameras and lenses.

I spent zero dollar on Canon last 3yrs and more likely not anytime soon, especially new Fuji MF mirrorless system just got released. The prices are within reach for many of us.

To reiterate from Thom Hogan:

"This, of course, disturbs the fan boys, who expect that their maker's flagship—XT-2, EM-1II, GH5, A7rII, etc.—should be mopping up. That's not the way it works. Most of the camera buying action is at a much lower level. It's really the entry-consumer up to the mid-consumer levels that tend to speak to market share."
- http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/japanese-market-shares.html

You clearly belong to the minority.

More than happy to be in minority. It's fun to see canon owners got excited on m5 technology.

With just m1 technology, canon still top 3 in mirrorless. That draws a very clear picture the group canon represents.

Again, while waiting for Canon ff mirrorless MF mirrorless is already here. Have fun in majority

 

[scyrene]

ROTFL bigger mirrorless share than Sony. WTF is happening overthere?! Or in these statistics.

You right. Something not right here.

"Evidence doesn't match my belief" "Must be something wrong with the evidence!"

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