Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in April 2016 [CR3]

[GoldWing]

Re: Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in April 2016 [CR3] Are you all crazy?

Everyone here talking about how great the 1DX is before knowing the specs is CRAZY.

Why don't you fan boys at least try and make your comments look real!

 

[PureClassA]

I stand corrected. I thought they used the Cinema processors. They are still Dual Digic 5.

Well yeah! It's the exact same camera except for the cinema processors instead of the Digic Chips and a different firmware. Otherwise it's identical.

Apart from the headphone jack and sensor heat sink the 1DC has and the 1DX doesn't, and the Digic chips are the same. Otherwise they are identical

 

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Am I clear to say that 1DX Mark II's spec will be inferior to D5's? Why would Canon price their flagship cheaper than Nikon's?

When you have two unequal business competitors in size, you will frequently see the smaller one optimize pricing higher. If there is a subset of users who demand that smaller brand and are price insensitive, then setting prices lower is just leaving money on the table. Larger competitors are often looking less at the competitive situation so much as the absolute size of the market, and often you will see price reductions as a result of attempts to expand the category itself, as they own the major share of that category. Canon may not care so much that they might lose an extra $800 per each Canon pro buying a 1dx2, if they are able to sell more 1dx2s at $6k a pop to people who would otherwise have bought a watch or something.

They may also be thinking about long-term price considerations versus an eventual mirrorless competitor that can compete in the pro action sphere.

And, finally, it used to be that Canon could rely on its lens lineup to protect it, with existing Canon glass owners pretty much lashed to the Canon whale. Now, each of those Canon glass owners is a potential Sony customer with the addition of an adapter. The cameras need to sell themselves now without a glass dependency.

In sum: I think $6k is a good price.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in April 2016 [CR3] Are you all crazy?

Everyone here talking about how great the 1DX is before knowing the specs is CRAZY.

Why don't you fan boys at least try and make your comments look real!

Miss the point much? For the most part, people are doing exactly what you state – talking about how great the 1D X is...not the 1D X II. Comparing the specs of the D5 to the 1D X from ~4 years ago. The differences aren't that significant, the 1D X remains equal or better in many ways. That's real. Then consider that Canon will obviously bring some sort of enhancements to the 1D X II, also real even though the specifics are unknown for now.

Yes, I know you had problems with your 1D X, that's unfortunate. Doesn't change the broader facts, though.

 

[Peer]

I can only answer for myself... I have 4 1DX's... shooting basketball for example... two in my hands, 24-70 and 70-200 and two remotes, one behind the backboard and one in the catwalks. I have four because I want the same IQ from each body and not have to worry that "... that image was with that camera...". It's very expensive but it's worth it to ME.

No offense to any one here, but hat off to instaimage -- this is someone I'd call a professional photographer.

-- peer

 

[ahsanford]

I can only answer for myself... I have 4 1DX's... shooting basketball for example... two in my hands, 24-70 and 70-200 and two remotes, one behind the backboard and one in the catwalks. I have four because I want the same IQ from each body and not have to worry that "... that image was with that camera...". It's very expensive but it's worth it to ME.

I always forget the soccer games I watch. The bigger games in the EPL, La Liga, etc. usually have a small squadron of SLRs planted behind the net on remote control triggers.

I could imagine sideline pros must bring well over the two rigs I see slung over their shoulders.

- A

 

[pedro]

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The D5 has 4 stops more ISO than the 1DX..... Can't wait to see some real world images and comparisons to see if this really is true.....

D5 top ISO is 3280000: Native ISO 100-102400
1DX top ISO is 204800: Native ISO 100-51200

Shooting at ISO 3280000 is the same as shooting at -5 EV/ISO102400 and doing a post-shoot +5 EV pull in software.

But back to the important part, the D5 has a 1 stop advantage in native ISO over the 1DX.

Well then, let's hope that the next 5D has the native ISO range of the current 1DX...I was very happy with my 5DIIIs ISO 12800, shooting handheld, so same IQ at ISO 25600 would be great...

 

[melbournite]

I am so sick and tired of rumours. I want to see an official announcement.

So if the 1DX will ship in April.....that means the 5D4 will be announced next year.......or even the year after........LOL

Come on Canon....!!!!

Have faith, although the 1DX was announced first, the 5DIII was available and in my hands before the 1DX!

 

[privatebydesign]

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I can only answer for myself... I have 4 1DX's... shooting basketball for example... two in my hands, 24-70 and 70-200 and two remotes, one behind the backboard and one in the catwalks. I have four because I want the same IQ from each body and not have to worry that "... that image was with that camera...". It's very expensive but it's worth it to ME.

I haven't seen a (professional) sports photographer with less than two bodies...

You need to look harder! I know one who has a single 7D, and yes, he is a full time professional sports photographer, admitidly he has been doing it for less Han a year, but he is full time.

 

[sanj]

I hear ya. But dont forget, the 1DC does 4k in a cinema body with dual CF cards.

The 1D C has the same body as the 1D X.

I know a few people here have the 1D C - sanj being one - maybe they can tell us how it performs recording 4K but from what I have heard it works very well.

If the price of the 1D C falls further to say US$3,000 or US$ 3,500 I would be very tempted to just get that.

It works ok. Sometimes heats up. I hope the bit rate improves in 1dx2. And it requires lots of sharpening in post when being used as second/third camera in features to match the big boys.

 

[privatebydesign]

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I can only answer for myself... I have 4 1DX's... shooting basketball for example... two in my hands, 24-70 and 70-200 and two remotes, one behind the backboard and one in the catwalks. I have four because I want the same IQ from each body and not have to worry that "... that image was with that camera...". It's very expensive but it's worth it to ME.

I haven't seen a (professional) sports photographer with less than two bodies...

You need to look harder! I know one who has a single 7D, and yes, he is a full time professional sports photographer, admitidly he has been doing it for less Han a year, but he is full time.

Sounds like he's still on "training wheels" then

Not at all. Like most professions there are many different levels and blanket statements rarely stand up to scrutiny. He is new to the USA but his father was a well known F1 photographer in the '70's, and he has been a pro photographer for years, he knows his market, he knows what shots sell and he knows he can get them with a 7D, spending more money to achieve the same sales would be a financial mistake.

Some professional drivers drive F1 cars, some professional drivers drive bread delivery trucks, the former might be more exciting but the later is far more practical and important on a day to day level.

 

[expatinasia]

Not at all. Like most professions there are many different levels and blanket statements rarely stand up to scrutiny. He is new to the USA but his father was a well known F1 photographer in the '70's, and he has been a pro photographer for years, he knows his market, he knows what shots sell and he knows he can get them with a 7D, spending more money to achieve the same sales would be a financial mistake.

Some professional drivers drive F1 cars, some professional drivers drive bread delivery trucks, the former might be more exciting but the later is far more practical and important on a day to day level.

Definitely. I know and see many guys on the sidelines of international sporting events with just one camera, others with two and some with a few more.

There are many news organisations and magazines (both print and online) etc, from many countries and not everyone can afford a 1D X or a 400 f/2.8 ii. They, in fact we all, make do with what we have. Some will use freelance and buy pics, but that is not always possible, nor advantageous to the outlet. Having your own guy on the ground has a lot of benefits as you can get so much more out of the event.

Last game I shot at I was next to a bloke with three, one was so old it was almost falling apart, but still worked somehow - I guess that is what happens when you do not trade in and buy the newer model. Something to think about maybe.

 

[3kramd5]

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I can only answer for myself... I have 4 1DX's... shooting basketball for example... two in my hands, 24-70 and 70-200 and two remotes, one behind the backboard and one in the catwalks. I have four because I want the same IQ from each body and not have to worry that "... that image was with that camera...". It's very expensive but it's worth it to ME.

I haven't seen a (professional) sports photographer with less than two bodies...

You need to look harder! I know one who has a single 7D, and yes, he is a full time professional sports photographer, admitidly he has been doing it for less Han a year, but he is full time.

Sounds like he's still on "training wheels" then

Not at all. Like most professions there are many different levels and blanket statements rarely stand up to scrutiny.

I'm a "two-is-one and one-is-none" kinda guy when having a piece of gear really matters. I don't care whether I use a D7S, a 1DX mk iV, or a 10D. If it's critical that I shoot photos, I have a backup. I hope he doesn't learn that lesson the hard way!

 

[expatinasia]

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Last game I shot at I was next to a bloke with three, one was so old it was almost falling apart, but still worked somehow - I guess that is what happens when you do not trade in and buy the newer model. Something to think about maybe.

As people often say, just because a new camera comes out doesn't mean the old one no longer works.

When you've used your camera well and it the wear also shows, you don't get any value out of selling.

Precisely. This guy is a pretty old and well known (in the country we were in) Nikon shooter. We talked about upgrading and other things a bit, but ultimately he was still happy with the results he was getting, as are his clients, he said. I asked if he would be getting the D5 whatever it may be as the specs were not announced at that stage, and he said he may consider trading in one of his others which have better resale value.

I know that if I do not upgrade to the 1DX II the 1DX will still serve me well for many years to come, but of course the resale value of the 1DX will fall lower and lower as the years go on - especially as it gets more and more worn down.

 

[bdunbar79]

I personally shoot with two 1Dx's but that is of course out of convenience. If I really wanted to, I could change lenses quickly, but I might miss some critical shots. Things move quickly in sports.

And, just so we're clear, I'm NOT shooting for a news agency. I shoot freelance now for individual schools. Oftentimes I'll be shooting an event like track and have to get all of the awards presentations and those go on during the meet, so two cameras is critical. If I were just selling sports photos across the wire, I could easily use a single camera, because just a sampling of everything is sufficient.

 

[PureClassA]

I personally shoot with two 1Dx's but that is of course out of convenience. If I really wanted to, I could change lenses quickly, but I might miss some critical shots. Things move quickly in sports.

I have the same issue with dance recitals, needing two rigs. I own a 5D3 and rent a 1DX for when I do those. Usually keep a 16-35 on the 5D3 and 70-200 on the DX. I've tried switching lenses on one body and it's damn near impossible to do without missing a shot.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in April 2016 [CR3]

Seems this thread is wearing thin:

"I have the same issue with dance recitals, needing two rigs." "I shoot freelance now for individual schools."
"As people often say, just because a new camera comes out doesn't mean the old one no longer works."

And this has to continue for how many more weeks?! We need a few more solid specs rumored!

Jack

 

[bdunbar79]

Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in April 2016 [CR3]

Seems this thread is wearing thin:

"I have the same issue with dance recitals, needing two rigs." "I shoot freelance now for individual schools."
"As people often say, just because a new camera comes out doesn't mean the old one no longer works."

And this has to continue for how many more weeks?! We need a few more solid specs rumored!

Jack

We could start DR predictions!

 

[Jack Douglas]

Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in April 2016 [CR3]

Seems this thread is wearing thin:

"I have the same issue with dance recitals, needing two rigs." "I shoot freelance now for individual schools."
"As people often say, just because a new camera comes out doesn't mean the old one no longer works."

And this has to continue for how many more weeks?! We need a few more solid specs rumored!

Jack

We could start DR predictions!

The solution for me is to just get out in the cold and snow and do some shooting instead of being drawn each morning to CR! LOL :-[

Jack

 

[PureClassA]

The solution for me is to just get out in the cold and snow and do some shooting instead of being drawn each morning to CR! LOL :-[

Jack

Some of us don't get cold OR snow... So we use CR Forums. We do however have Mardi Gras here in New Orleans...

And I need DR to get better pictures of balconies, beads, and boobs...