4k may not be a dealbreaker today, but we're talking about a camera that *may* be announced in 2016, and if so will be expected, based on history, to sell until 2020.
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Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Talk [CR2]
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Canon Rumors said:
I know I don't. If I did I would buy a Cinema camera. If I take video I use my 70D. I use the 5D MKIII for stills only.
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I know this is only a CR2 level rumor, but this would make no sense to me at all. The Nikon flagship workhorse FF cameras are their 800 series: 36mp, low noise, great AF, and industry-leading DR. I assume Nikon will soon have a 900 series – or whatever they call it – employing the new 42mp Sony chip. Again, it will probably become their workhorse high-end camera with low noise, impressive DR, great AF, likely with 4K video, and probably be capable of shooting about 6 fps.
Why would Canon launch a new 5D Mark IV that doesn't even match the now almost four-year-old Nikon D800? Today I own a 1D X (mostly for wildlife) and 5D III (mostly for landscape). I'd probably upgrade to the 1D X Mark II if it is 24mp with 15 fps, but there is no way I would buy a 5D Mark IV if it was only 4mp more. Canon needs a great breakthrough workhorse camera in the high 30mp range to fit between their new 1D X Mark II and their 50mp 5DS/5DS R.
Why would Canon launch a new 5D Mark IV that doesn't even match the now almost four-year-old Nikon D800? Today I own a 1D X (mostly for wildlife) and 5D III (mostly for landscape). I'd probably upgrade to the 1D X Mark II if it is 24mp with 15 fps, but there is no way I would buy a 5D Mark IV if it was only 4mp more. Canon needs a great breakthrough workhorse camera in the high 30mp range to fit between their new 1D X Mark II and their 50mp 5DS/5DS R.
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I guess for those wanting Nikon D810 features or Sony 7R series features those cameras are freely on sale. I would hope Canon provides Canon features like the improved mirror box or reinforced base plate I have in the 5DS or the 50.6 MP sensor that for landscape makes it a stand-out camera. I dont care about its video abilities Im never going to use them but the cropping facility, mRaw etc. are all useful. It seems the biggest critics of Canon are Canon users and the grass is always greener on the other side. I hope Canon does improve DR in any 5D MKIII replacement but I equally hope they keep the MP count below 30MP at between 26-28MP because the pixel pitch does have a sweet spot and thats not 50MP which is more specialist.glness said:
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I do care about 4K video! I do care about video! I do care about DR!
But who am i or who are you for Canon?! Just nobody!
Canon makes what Canon wants!
Canon is big and healthy ... Canon can care about itself.
Canon cant listen us! (is not the nsa, isnt it?! 8) )
Canon dont need us!
But who am i or who are you for Canon?! Just nobody!
Canon makes what Canon wants!
Canon is big and healthy ... Canon can care about itself.
Canon cant listen us! (is not the nsa, isnt it?! 8) )
Canon dont need us!
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5Ds is more in line with the category of where the D810 stands. The 5D3 and future 5D4 are more directly compared to the D750. The D750 was made to be the true wedding and general do-it-all camera from Nikon. If the MP count of the 5D4 goes up to 28MP and it does 8+ FPS, I don't see the D8XX series competing for the same usage unless Nikon comes out with an 8+ FPS camera. They would also have to deal with buffer clearing and buffer depth which would be hurt by using 36+ MP.glness said:
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Canon Rumors said:
Really? I bought a total of six 5D2 and 5D3, and i wouldn't have bought more than one without the video function. Never met anyone who used it because of photo only! Canon officials themselve say in the future you can't dividide photo and video anymore, because video is just a fast series of photos - which is why they are planing the 8K video breakthrough until the end of the decade. Not having 4K video in a flagship camera like the 5D4 that should last until the year 2020 is a big shame. There will be a Sony A7R3 in 2017 and a Sony A7R4 in 2019. Only a handful of hardcore fanboys can be crazy enough to buy a 5D4 with specs that are weaker on almost any level. I say that as an owner of 100+x expensive Canon products and someone who would be willing to buy any new good Canon camera and lens.
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It's really not that difficult.
Canon's competition has 4K support in their cameras. The benefits of adding 4K to the 5D Mark IV are obvious:
a) one less 'disadvantage' in the comparative features and especially the reviews.
b) This won't be 4k for serious videographers as has been said, there will be limitations in what you can do with it (as there are for example on the A7R II). But put 4K in a camera and people will start to play with it. I certainly will. And a portion of those will go on and realise they really want a Canon camera that does 4K better and will go out and buy a 1DX II or whatever to do just that.
The chances of this eating into the serious 4K market are pretty small.
Canon's competition has 4K support in their cameras. The benefits of adding 4K to the 5D Mark IV are obvious:
a) one less 'disadvantage' in the comparative features and especially the reviews.
b) This won't be 4k for serious videographers as has been said, there will be limitations in what you can do with it (as there are for example on the A7R II). But put 4K in a camera and people will start to play with it. I certainly will. And a portion of those will go on and realise they really want a Canon camera that does 4K better and will go out and buy a 1DX II or whatever to do just that.
The chances of this eating into the serious 4K market are pretty small.
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It will be very difficult for Canon to come up with a successor that will entice most of the current 5DIII users to upgrade. On the other hand if they bump MP, give better DR and high ISO noise and better overall performance a lot of 5DII users (there are lots of them out there) and APSC users are likely to upgrade. I don't know how important 4K is in this equation.
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4K advocates - are you looking to use the 5DMKIV primarily for video or do you just want to have a little 4K on the side? I don't understand the reasoning behind either argument.
If you want primarily 4K you'd be looking elsewhere.
And those who might just wanna dabble with 4K or might use it once in a blue moon surely you could live without as clearly it isn't that important or you'd be in the former camp.
Tell me again, why does it need to have 4K??
If you want primarily 4K you'd be looking elsewhere.
And those who might just wanna dabble with 4K or might use it once in a blue moon surely you could live without as clearly it isn't that important or you'd be in the former camp.
Tell me again, why does it need to have 4K??
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Just do a search for cameras overheating with 4K and you may actually have some idea why Canon doesn't put 4K in the 5DIV. So while some argue that it wouldn't cost more with 4K, it probably would indeed as it would take a redesign to overcome the heating issue. I think most photographers would rather have a reliable camera that is problem free even without 4K rather than a camera with potential problems and failures with 4K. Of course, if you're a techno-geek that just wants to boast to your friends that you have 4K, then you wouldn't care, would you.
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OPG said:clarksbrother said:OPG said:I'll definitely remember that the next time I need to get out of my armchair and walk into my studio! ;D
I'll also remember that that image is from the studio of Marcelo Isarrualde. I mean really... :
It's the thought of a well designed studio that counts! ;D
Thanks for knowing the name. I was looking all over for it.
You. Are. So. Busted!
It has got nothing to do with a well designed studio! You tried to pass that off as your own studio, and that is pathetic.........
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jeffa4444 said:
I use my 5D mark III for stills, Real State for work and Travel & Landascape for pleasure. If de new 5D doesn't give me better DR better high ISO and at least 36 mp I'll pass on it. I will buy a 7RII for my Travel & Landscape and use the 5D mark III as backup. I'm almost sure canon will disappoint me one more time.
I just have too much glass to change ship.
I would love a 5D with the 7RII sensor on it.
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I had a very long post typed out. My phone kindly deleted it.
Here is a short version.
Don't be silly. Videography has brought tons of new users and money to canon. They are now exiting to continue there video purchases.
This camera needs 4K. It can do 4K. The 5d3 can do raw with magic lantern.
Canon can do some amazing things with these cameras but is not walking forward confidently in a market they created.
4K will affect you no more than 1080 in the 5d3 and it's still an amazing camera.
To those who say camcorders do everything these cameras do and better-wrong. There is a reason this market took off.
Full disclosure I shoot video and photo. With photography being my primary.
Here is a short version.
Don't be silly. Videography has brought tons of new users and money to canon. They are now exiting to continue there video purchases.
This camera needs 4K. It can do 4K. The 5d3 can do raw with magic lantern.
Canon can do some amazing things with these cameras but is not walking forward confidently in a market they created.
4K will affect you no more than 1080 in the 5d3 and it's still an amazing camera.
To those who say camcorders do everything these cameras do and better-wrong. There is a reason this market took off.
Full disclosure I shoot video and photo. With photography being my primary.
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