Canon EOS 5D X Chatter Continues [CR0]

[Orangutan]

Used to work in the industry, Still dab in from time to time, still know lots of people inside i guess. you will see..

I have to say that you were mostly right on this one, but then the parts you were right about were reasonable guesses.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=29079.msg577971#msg577971

 

[gsealy]

It seems as though Canon has worked themselves into somewhat of a little box regarding 4K. The 1DxII has it, but relative to the 1Dc it kind of lacks video features like C-Log. And it is basically an 8 bit video stream, which is lacking. I always thought of the 1Dc as kind of a revolutionary camera and represented the crossover between the still and the video worlds. The 1DxII is not so much of that, although the 4K 60 fps feature is darn good and so is DPAF. There is NO external recording of 4K in the current feature set, only HD. There is possible room to grow in future 1DxII firmware releases to make it more video robust, but we cannot count on Canon. Another way to look at it is that the 1Dc concept is basically gone, for now.

So where does that leave the '5Dx?' I just don't see Canon besting the 1DxII's videos capabilities at say a $3500 price point. Ok, so it has 4K, but I would be a bit surprised we see 4K 60 fps. It gets a bit complicated in terms of marketing strategy abd where the various cameras are positioned.

The only other thing I am thinking of is that Canon could change their structure a bit by developing baseline top level cameras and then selling incremental software packages that can be installed on top of the baseline. For example, if a person just wants high volume and rugged stills capability, such as a sports photographer, then they buy just that in a baseline 1DxII camera. The video capability is totally void. But if a person wants additional video capabilities or say Magic Lantern type features, then they can buy that software package for an additional cost. This way everybody gets what they want and only what they want.

 

[AWR]

It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time.

Um, the 1DX was released 13 months later than the 5D Mark III. Please tell us how the 5D III release in March of 2012 hurt the sales of the 1DX released in April of 2013. Also, how do you know it hurt sales at all?

If your ear is planted so firmly to the ground then why not just leak the 5DX specs to us all now? :

Maybe you should check your info about the announcing and releasing dates.

 

[Tom W]

I have a feeling that the replacement for the 5D3 might have been considered last spring, but with concerns for competing with Sony and Nikon and the extra DR that they offer, it was held off until the newest sensor technology could be perfected at Canon.

The 5Ds was a placeholder. A nice placeholder, as it turns out, but it's really not presenting any groundbreaking technology.

 

[Tom W]

If your ear is planted so firmly to the ground then why not just leak the 5DX specs to us all now? :

Maybe it isn't coming by rail.
Ha! I keel me...

 

[thedman]

28mp sounds far more logical to me. With Nikon and Sony playing up in the 36-42 ranges, Canon is going to feel compelled to give it a bit more boost than the previous 1mp the Mark III got. If it's 24, the 5DX would only be 3mp higher than the Mark II.

 

[RickWagoner]

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Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time.
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It's funny to see a totally non-anonymous post that sounds like it has more credibility than most of the rumors that are anonymously fed to canonrumors.

It's also completely unfunny to see details like this where Canon will withhold the product to ensure camera sales of their flagship. I wonder how long Canon will hold back the 5DX...

I wonder if it is possible to picture a company standing outside the loo like a kid trying to hold on

and what would force Canon's hand? If Nikon dropped a D760 at NAB and Canon was riding 1DX2 sales, would that force Canon's hand?

Companies always with hold products to ensure the sales of other products in the line up or down. Companies also pull back products at the last second for many reasons (the D500 came from the D400 that was never released). Companies also detune their products for many reasons, German car engines are detuned to make less horse power and i suspect the 80D is detuned to 7fps just like the 7d2 has detuned fps.

Many reason to force Canons hand as you say or could even stall off the next 5D for months if not release next year. Big factors I know Canon is watching is the pre sale orders of the 1dx2, fulfillment of those orders, dealer demand after the pre burst cools down and 1dx2 is available to immediate sale. If Nikon were to come out with a body like the D760 that meets or beats the next 5D that can cause Canon to pull the camera back to redo parts or features of it. Though employees from these two companies know each other and talk with each other off business hours often enough to know what the other guy is working on to some degree so this does not happen that often. Also the Companies have an internal road map for product release, for example In order for Canon to come out with the 7d3 next year they have to release the sl2 before and the 80D even before that. Since Canon upped the 7d3 release after the D500 announcement they had to forward the release of the sl2 and 80D also. Which is why the 80D came in so fast even though the 70D is still a great selling body and makes little business sense to do it now as they make higher profit selling the older 70D. Canon also has some wiggle room in the release of the next 5D because of the 5ds release recently, if they need to pull the camera back for any reason they can and instead come out with the 6D2 or whatever full frame lower body they have if needed..but again this happens but not often but it CAN.

 

[docsmith]

It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time.

Um, the 1DX was released 13 months later than the 5D Mark III. Please tell us how the 5D III release in March of 2012 hurt the sales of the 1DX released in April of 2013. Also, how do you know it hurt sales at all?

If your ear is planted so firmly to the ground then why not just leak the 5DX specs to us all now? :

Maybe you should check your info about the announcing and releasing dates.

1Dx was announced October of 2011 and released Q2 of 2012. 5DIII was announced and released March 2012.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canon_EOS_digital_cameras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS-1D_X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_III

Rick was correct.

 

[rs]

I wonder if they are staying away from the number four because of it being unlucky in Japan and meaning death, hence the X instead of mk4.

Excuse me if I'm stating the obvious here.

Just to clarify this. The number four does not mean death, the word "shi" which is Japanese for four ("see" in Thai, "sei" in Cantonese "suh" in Mandarin) just sounds like the word for death.

Across Asia many buildings will not have a fourth floor. Some do, some don't depending on the owner and his/her beliefs.

The west have similar habits. Pretty much every airplane I've ever been on doesn't have a row numbered 13. It's precisely what I need - a plane relying on a blend of science and superstition to remain airborne.

What airlines have you been flying? Check out seat guru. Most airlines have row 13 (or at least don't skip it).

Hotels on the other hand, often skip the 13th floor

Maybe it's just the airlines I've flown with. Admittedly after checking up there are a few I've used which do have a row 13, but a quick search reveals this lot I've used which don't:

Lufthansa
Emirates
KLM
Air France
Airasia
Cebu Pacific
Singapore Airlines
Ryanair

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

yes it will have 4k...i guarantee it. Early Prototypes with limited functionality were tested a good bit last year in 5d2 bodies and 6d labeled bodies. The " select number of photographers " you speak of are Canon Ambassadors, the same people who have the Canon videos on new release. They have full functioning beta models but keep their mouths shut the best. Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time. They are ready to release the SL2 this year also, it will be a baby 70D in ways and will be a fun little SLR. No it will not have 4k as the 7D3 coming in 2017 will be the first Canon Crop to have that, Canon has a bunch of 7d3 testers in early forms in the states now btw. I don't know anything about the 6D personally and no one in the state's tests anything mirrorless from Canon ever..so no go for info there also.

All your guessing is funny

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

Hoping for 23-28mp
Dual Digic 6+at least
7-8fps
The 7d2 or 1dx2 buffer
Even better weather sealing
Cleaner more detailed images throughout the low and high iso ranges
And decent video 1080p I don't really care much for 4K video via not having the MacBook pro hardware for it

 

[jmoya]

I believe all canon has to do is work on their dynamic range. Megapixel is not all that important. Look at the new Nikon d5 it's a 20mp 6k dollar body. If anything they've reverted in their mp count from the 36mp d810. It's not all about pixels. It's more about dynamic range. That's where Canon is hurting. I'd be fine a 24mp canon 5DX but the dynamic range needs to be dramatically improved. Canon 5ds can't match the DR of Nikon d810 and d750 and it has double the mp. I love canon and I don't want to have to switch but I'm so jealous of Nikon and Sony sensors :'(. I can't seem to push my 5d mark III past 3200 without a deadly fear of grain. I try to keep it at 1600 iso. And I have canon's best lenses. 50mm 1.2 L, 35mm 1.4, 135mm 2.0, 70-200mm 2.8 L IS II. Come on canon. Just get your DR together.

 

[RGF]

As long as we are at CR0, then camera will be variable MP from 12 (and 2,000,000 usable ISO) to 36MP (w/ 64,000 max iso, 12,800 usable).

 

[RickWagoner]

yes it will have 4k...i guarantee it. Early Prototypes with limited functionality were tested a good bit last year in 5d2 bodies and 6d labeled bodies. The " select number of photographers " you speak of are Canon Ambassadors, the same people who have the Canon videos on new release. They have full functioning beta models but keep their mouths shut the best. Depending on how well Canon fulfills pre order of the 1dx2 after release and dealer stock then Canon will determine when the next 5D is going to be announced. It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time. They are ready to release the SL2 this year also, it will be a baby 70D in ways and will be a fun little SLR. No it will not have 4k as the 7D3 coming in 2017 will be the first Canon Crop to have that, Canon has a bunch of 7d3 testers in early forms in the states now btw. I don't know anything about the 6D personally and no one in the state's tests anything mirrorless from Canon ever..so no go for info there also.

All your guessing is funny

;D

 

[M_S]

I still hope for dual Cfast, I really don't use the SD card slot and it would, at least for me, be a dead and unused slot I would otherwise use a lot I guess. Also I am hoping for 33MP, as this would be very welcome for landscape pics and it would definitly be welcome for people photography. Some cropping is always possible. Perhaps the ML guys can pull out some 8K out of that then and with Cfast, there is at least a chance that this could work

 

[Ozarker]

It may come soon as NAB or will be put off until later this year if Canon is playing catch up on preorder or dealer stock of the 1dx2, they don't want the next 5D to hurt the first burst of 1dx2 sales like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx last time.

Um, the 1DX was released 13 months later than the 5D Mark III. Please tell us how the 5D III release in March of 2012 hurt the sales of the 1DX released in April of 2013. Also, how do you know it hurt sales at all?

If your ear is planted so firmly to the ground then why not just leak the 5DX specs to us all now? :

Maybe you should check your info about the announcing and releasing dates.

5Diii announced and released in March 2012
1DX announced in March 2012 and released March 2013.

To think the 5D mark III release was a screw up that forced Canon to wait a year more to release the 1DX is foolishness. Two very different cameras at two very different price points. The question is: Where is the data to prove the supposed snafu? There is none. Just the imaginings of people who want to be seen as "in the know".

 

[Ozarker]

If your ear is planted so firmly to the ground then why not just leak the 5DX specs to us all now? :

Maybe it isn't coming by rail.
Ha! I keel me...

haha!

 

[dolina]

I still hope for dual Cfast, I really don't use the SD card slot and it would, at least for me, be a dead and unused slot I would otherwise use a lot I guess. Also I am hoping for 33MP, as this would be very welcome for landscape pics and it would definitly be welcome for people photography. Some cropping is always possible. Perhaps the ML guys can pull out some 8K out of that then and with Cfast, there is at least a chance that this could work

Nikon allowing for the later upgrade of the D5's dual CF card slot to a dual CFast slot is honestly brilliant.

I wish the transition to CFast was done as early with the 7D Mark II in 2014. Bodies like the 5DSR would have greatly benefited from the 3500x CFast cards vs 1066x CF cards.

 

[scyrene]

Dual Digic 6+at least

Given we don't really know what DIGIC numbers mean, this is odd. You just want it to be able to do the stuff you want. Who cares what processor(s) it uses?

 

[scyrene]

I believe all canon has to do is work on their dynamic range. Megapixel is not all that important. Look at the new Nikon d5 it's a 20mp 6k dollar body. If anything they've reverted in their mp count from the 36mp d810. It's not all about pixels. It's more about dynamic range. That's where Canon is hurting. I'd be fine a 24mp canon 5DX but the dynamic range needs to be dramatically improved. Canon 5ds can't match the DR of Nikon d810 and d750 and it has double the mp. I love canon and I don't want to have to switch but I'm so jealous of Nikon and Sony sensors :'(. I can't seem to push my 5d mark III past 3200 without a deadly fear of grain. I try to keep it at 1600 iso. And I have canon's best lenses. 50mm 1.2 L, 35mm 1.4, 135mm 2.0, 70-200mm 2.8 L IS II. Come on canon. Just get your DR together.

As as been pointed out ad infinitum, Canon has not lagged behind on high ISO DR, so your comment "I can't seem to push my 5d mark III past 3200 without a deadly fear of grain" is nonsensical. It's *LOW ISO* DR that some people have had a reason to moan about.