Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples

[wockawocka]

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The 5Dsr pixel pitch is too small and everything people said might be a problem will be with this camera.

I want to rave about the camera but with no ISO examples above 400 shown, no access to raw files and no mention of dynamic range in the videos I can't invest in it.

 

[Machaon]

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Much of the blue sky noise present is jpg compression, but there is also some fine structure to the noise, visible in some areas, which may hint at some residual canon-style noise structures in the raw files.
I'll have to see real raw files.

Agreed. It seems a bit pointless to infer system noise when peeping at an image format with lossy compression. Of all FF cameras, this one needs RAW or lossless formats to really shine.

 

[Eldar]

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The 5Dsr pixel pitch is too small and everything people said might be a problem will be with this camera.

I want to rave about the camera but with no ISO examples above 400 shown, no access to raw files and no mention of dynamic range in the videos I can't invest in it.

DR is said to be equal to 5DIII. VERY dissapointing! Difficult to conclude on noise, from the limited samples we have seen, but it does not look very promising. This was a total turn-off!

 

[heptagon]

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These sensors will require a set of new standards on the models'skin quality and the skills of the make-up artists.
They will be a direct hit on the medium-format digital market. Pretty impressive and way beyond my scope.

What aperture do medium format photographers use? One can simply trade aperture, focal length and ISO for sensor size.

The following settings result in exactly the same image when the sensor has the same number of pixels (assuming a perfect sensor and a perfect lens, same exposure time):

crop sensor, 85mm f/1.2 ISO 100
=
full frame sensor, 136mm f/1.92 ISO 256
=
medium format sensor, 209mm f/2.95 ISO 606

Now if things are not perfect, smaller sensors have less read noise, therefore ISO 100 on your crop camera will look better than ISO 600 on a medium format camera - but - with medium format you will likely shoot at ISO 100 and therefore collect more light than is currently possible with a crop sensor (until they make one with ISO 16). Currently a win for larger sensors.

Pixel sharpness can be made better on larger pixel sizes - a win for larger sensors.

Lenses can be mades sharper if they are longer and have a narrower aperture. The 85mm f/1.2 is not very sharp but the 200mm f/2.8 is very sharp in comparison at the respective apertures. - BUT - you need heavy and expensive glass to make good lenses for large sensors. This means small sensor: cheap and light glass, heavy sensor: enormously heavy and expensive glass but better image quality.

Also a large sensor could be shot with a big f/1.2 lens and give a blur that is not obtainable with small sensors. - A big win for larger sensors in some areas.


Now with the new Canon sensor and the good Canon lenses you can actually make use of those 50 MPix. If you need to stop the aperture down to avoid too much blur in the out of focus regions your image is actually going to be on par with a medium format camera. The advantage is much lower weight and price than medium format.

 

[Boykinally]

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What a disappointment in the specs listed on DP review! There is no mention any where on better Dynamic Range(only reason to upgrade for me) and still only 3 frames in auto bracketing! Really. Are you kidding me? Not looking like I will purchase this. I was hoping for some break through in IQ not just larger file size!

 

[Maiaibing]

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Details @50 mpix is just amazing!

However, seems we will have to wait for some RAW samples to make a final judgement on picture iq. Iso performance does not seem too impressive if the jpeg's are to be believed. :-\

 

[xps]

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Some od us - like me dislike the new 5Ds.
But honestly, the 5Ds will be well sold. Be sure, the IQ maybe not better than existing bodies, but equal to them. So millions of buyers like the IQ of Canon and they will buy this high-MP body.

I wonder, why the AF area is so small. My son´s brand new 7DII has nearly double the AF-Area. (added picture from Canon.de)

 

[heptagon]

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Some od us - like me dislike the new 5Ds.
But honestly, the 5Ds will be well sold. Be sure, the IQ maybe not better than existing bodies, but equal to them. So millions of buyers like the IQ of Canon and they will buy this high-MP body.

I wonder, why the AF area is so small. My son´s brand new 7DII has nearly double the AF-Area. (added picture from Canon.de)

The 7DII is a crop camera. If you put the same AF sensor inside full and crop cameras, it will have a greater coverage of the sensor in the crop.

 

[itsnotmeyouknow]

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Yes, I've been thinking about 645z myself as I start to push my d800/e bodies in some situations.

If you get the Pentax, please give me your impressions of it, especially as it compares to the D800. Everyone seems to be raving over this thing, and I might make for a good tax write-off

I have both the Pentax 645Z and the D800E and the Pentax is just superb. The only time I have used my D800E since I got the Z was for a magazine article where the magazine insisted I shoot with the Nikon. I had the 5D3 before the nikon and lived the high ISO performance and the truly silent silent shutter (Nikons implementation of this is poor way to much sound on the quiet shutter). I gave the camera to my brother in law to borrow.

The Z performs really well at all ISOs low as well as ridiculously high. Dynamic range is more than 14 stops and I tend to ETTL rather than ETTR as you can push so much detail from the shadows it's ridiculous.

With the new canon I know people are asking for shots at wide apertures but since they are pitching this at landscape shooters like me so f/11 is far more typical for my style of shooting than f/4 or f/5.6 would ever be. So tests should be on this basis of apertures f/8 to f/16. With nikon I frequently shoot at f/11-16 and the Pentax I'm normally in f/11-16 with some forays into f/22. I don't do pixel peeping so am not nitty picky about theoretical diffraction.

The only thing that would get me back to Canon with this would be if they sort out the low ISO noise and banding and get to 14 stops of DR. I don't want to be forced to do HDR because the camera can't shoot scenes I want to. I am in the market for a possible replacement for the Nikon but may see what Sony offers by way of A7R2

 

[xps]

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Some od us - like me dislike the new 5Ds.
But honestly, the 5Ds will be well sold. Be sure, the IQ maybe not better than existing bodies, but equal to them. So millions of buyers like the IQ of Canon and they will buy this high-MP body.

I wonder, why the AF area is so small. My son´s brand new 7DII has nearly double the AF-Area. (added picture from Canon.de)

The 7DII is a crop camera. If you put the same AF sensor inside full and crop cameras, it will have a greater coverage of the sensor in the crop.

but why can´t they create a bigger one?

 

[wunderpink]

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The message I take from the 50MP announcements is that I can now expect good optics released in future. Every lens which is designed for the new high res cameras should shine even more with standard resolutions of ~20MP.

So I am looking forward to new sharp primes. Especially 35 f/1.4, 50 f/1.4, maybe 85 f/1.8 ;D

 

[Marsu42]

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I wonder, why the AF area is so small. My son´s brand new 7DII has nearly double the AF-Area. (added picture from Canon.de)

Seems to be a basic design problem with full frame cameras in general - but if you imagine using the 1.6x crop mode, the af coverage for this area is just as complete as on the 7d2.

 

[lintoni]

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The message I take from the 50MP announcements is that I can now expect good optics released in future. Every lens which is designed for the new high res cameras should shine even more with standard resolutions of ~20MP.

So I am looking forward to new sharp primes. Especially 35 f/1.4, 50 f/1.4, maybe 85 f/1.8 ;D

Hopefully!

 

[jeffa4444]

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On the Canon UK site I'm liking the shots with the Canon EF100mm f2.8L both the head & shoulders model shot and the close-up of the eyelid.
This lens is superb and worth every penny.

 

[traveller]

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Some od us - like me dislike the new 5Ds.
But honestly, the 5Ds will be well sold. Be sure, the IQ maybe not better than existing bodies, but equal to them. So millions of buyers like the IQ of Canon and they will buy this high-MP body.

I wonder, why the AF area is so small. My son´s brand new 7DII has nearly double the AF-Area. (added picture from Canon.de)

The 7DII is a crop camera. If you put the same AF sensor inside full and crop cameras, it will have a greater coverage of the sensor in the crop.

but why can´t they create a bigger one?

They probably could, but the geometries required would mean that the camera body needing to be larger. Nikon admitted that they had to slightly reduce the coverage of their 51 point AF system in the D750 compared to the D810, because a smaller body size was a design objective.

 

[Sporgon]

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On the Canon UK site I'm liking the shots with the Canon EF100mm f2.8L both the head & shoulders model shot and the close-up of the eyelid.
This lens is superb and worth every penny.

Just looking on the UK site, on the 'sharpness comparison', bowl of flowers, the 5Ds clearly has no sharpening or un-sharp mask applied. I bet there is, in practical viewing, absolutely no difference once appropriate sharpening has been applied. And who shoots a 50 mp camera and doesn't post process at all ?

The only benefit I see of the AA -less camera, the 'r' version, is if you are going to publish straight from the camera.

 

[martti]

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I would imagine that anyone who is after the 50MB picture quality would not make compromises in his/her choice on lenses. AS if paving the way for the insane sensors Canon has launched the new versions of the basic L zoomery. There are the excellent new 24-70 f/2.8, the Dust Pump has been replaced, there is a very good 16-35 and now the ultrawide. On the longer side the 200-400mm seems like a well finished product. The TS 24mm has been renewed, the 24 mm L as well. Admitted, the 35mm L and the 50mm L should have been revisited a while ago but even as they are, people buy them no totally ignoring what the DxO or specialists say.
Looks like you have the FF people going for L. They have money and they are willing to spend it on the ever better and more expensive lenses.
Better margins fo Canon, for less units sold. Makes business sense, which again is one of Canon's less understood fields of knowledge.

 

[V8Beast]

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I have both the Pentax 645Z and the D800E and the Pentax is just superb. The only time I have used my D800E since I got the Z was for a magazine article where the magazine insisted I shoot with the Nikon. I had the 5D3 before the nikon and lived the high ISO performance and the truly silent silent shutter (Nikons implementation of this is poor way to much sound on the quiet shutter). I gave the camera to my brother in law to borrow.

The Z performs really well at all ISOs low as well as ridiculously high. Dynamic range is more than 14 stops and I tend to ETTL rather than ETTR as you can push so much detail from the shadows it's ridiculous.

With the new canon I know people are asking for shots at wide apertures but since they are pitching this at landscape shooters like me so f/11 is far more typical for my style of shooting than f/4 or f/5.6 would ever be. So tests should be on this basis of apertures f/8 to f/16. With nikon I frequently shoot at f/11-16 and the Pentax I'm normally in f/11-16 with some forays into f/22. I don't do pixel peeping so am not nitty picky about theoretical diffraction.

The only thing that would get me back to Canon with this would be if they sort out the low ISO noise and banding and get to 14 stops of DR. I don't want to be forced to do HDR because the camera can't shoot scenes I want to. I am in the market for a possible replacement for the Nikon but may see what Sony offers by way of A7R2

Thanks for the feedback. Your impressions echo the sentiments of others who have used or owned both the D800 and the 645Z. How do you like the Pentax glass?

 

[Marsu42]

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David Noton loves the new 5D´s.

Tell Canon to send me a free 5ds, and I can assure you I'll love it, too :->

 

[RLPhoto]

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Its probably the JPGs but I expected more. On the bright side, if you we're going to buy a 5D-s, you'll have LR6 to process the RAW's, Which hopefully will have GPU support.