Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images
Billybob said:
CanonFanBoy said:
Billybob said:
The 7D is at the top of the crop-sensor line, so purchasing it doesn't endanger sales of higher-end models.
What makes you think the higher end models are more profitable and must be protected? Price? That has nothing to do with the profit margin. Why is it people assume Canon is always trying to drive people into a higher price point?
Billybob said:
Plus, the 7D is a sports camera for which low-ISO DR is a secondary, at best, concern. Therefore, there is no reason for Canon to intentionally cripple the 7D's DR.
Which cameras does Canon "intentionally cripple?" Differentiating one price point from another has nothing to do with "crippling a camera". Don't know why people want to call this crippling. Is a Ford Focus crippled because it is not as big or powerful as a top end Taurus? No. It is made for a different market and has a different price point for that reason.
Billybob said:
The 6D, by contrast, was eating into 5D sales. What Canon found was that there are a ton of photographers who care only about getting the best IQ available.
Where did you get the sales data and where do you get the idea that the 6D was eating into 5D sales since Canon doesn't make that public?
"What makes you think the higher end models are more profitable and must be protected? Price?"
When I can get $1500 or more off the original list price of a new, USA or gray market, 6D like the discounts I can get with the purchase of a new 5D mark III or 1D X camera I'll take your comment seriously.
"Which cameras does Canon "intentionally cripple?" Differentiating one price point from another has nothing to do with "crippling a camera". Don't know why people want to call this crippling."
My definition of crippled is a bit more expansive than yours. It includes omitting a feature that other cameras produced by the company of the same generation have. More importantly I consider it crippled if it omits a feature that its APS-C twin has. And your car analogy falls flat. A more appropriate analogy is if a a Ford Focus can be had with a 250hp engine and Ford decides to make an Acura (its luxury brand) version of the focus but only offers an 180hp engine because luxury car buyers might prefer the low-end Acura over a mid-level Acura if it had the 250hp engine.
Yes, it is market differentiation. But it is differentiation by crippling features.
"Where did you get the sales data and where do you get the idea that the 6D was eating into 5D sales since Canon doesn't make that public?"
So you're telling me that no one purchased the 6D instead of a 5D Mark III? I suspect you could do a poll on this forum right now and find a dozen or more people who purchased the lower-cost 6D instead of the higher-end 5DMIII.
It's no secret that the 6D had a better sensor (no, I'm not going to provide links. Just search on Dpreview for comparisons) then the 5DMIII. It had virtually no banding, less high-ISO noise and was the choice of astro-photographers who shot Canon.
So, sure, you can throw the "where's your data" retort in my face. But the reality is that the 5DMIII was not a clearly better camera than the 6D due to the relative quality of the sensors. In some critical respects it was, in fact, inferior. Today, the 5DM IV has an unequivocally better sensor than the 6D II. I'm extremely skeptical that the choice wasn't intentional. But I'm willing to entertain any data you have to the contrary.
1. My take on your post is that the 6D ate into 5D Mark III (used or new) sales. You say that many people bought the 6D instead of the 5D Mark III. You neglect to also include the people who bought the 5D Mark III instead of the 6D which has inferior AF, no joystick, etc. You also neglect to add that some people bought the 6D because they would never want to spend the cost of a 5D Mark III to begin with. Ever.
You see, your argument is one sided. You base your argument solely on price and DR. Of course the 6D might have sold more than the 5D Mark III. That does not mean it ate into 5D Mark III sales. If it did, then your whole argument about "protecting 5D mark III sales" is a fallacy. And yes, the 5D Mark III is a better camera than the 6D. Counting that DR is the only factor is just silly. The 5D Mark III bests the 6D in many categories.
2. Crippling: Doesn't happen. Every camera is never going to have all the same features. There are no "twins". BTW: The only place Ford ever manufactured Acuras is in Neverland.
3. How many people purchased a 6D instead of a 5D mark III because the 6D was less expensive? How many bought a 5D Mark III because it is a better camera and never would have even considered the 6D.
A poll on this website about all that would not be too useful. This website is top heavy with high end users. make up a poll if you'd like. You are free to do that. Just as you are also free to make up facts to support your argument and also think you can divine Canon Inc.s motives, sales numbers, and the reasons people choose what they do without actually knowing any of it. Your whole package of reasoning is one sided and not really based on facts. Anecdotal evidence may or may not be fact.
What, by the way, do you actually own? A 6D? The 5D Mark III and the 6D are two different cameras at different price points for different people with differing ideas of what is important to them. That's it.
Did you buy a 6D because you felt it was more bang for the buck? If so, the whole argument that it was created to protect 5D mark III sales is downright stu.... :
Also, look at your first retort. Take my comment seriously? Does not matter to me whether you do or not. Still, your retort has nothing to do with what I wrote. Again, what are the profit margins and sales numbers? You don't know. You "think", therefore it must be true. Ha!
6D the choice of astro photographers? Some, but not all. Again, how many chose the 6D for astro rather than the 5D mark III where money is no object? You don't know. Then again, that destroys the idea in your world that the 6D was created to protect 5D sales. The 6D manufactured to protect the 5D mark III from the used market? What? You don't know that either. How many bought a used 5D mark III instead of the 6D? You don't know. You just make it all up. Then you believe it like it must be true coming from yourself.
I've not had any problem with banding via my 5D mark III. I also don't claim to know why certain cameras are created, why people buy them (other than personal desire), or how many bought this camera or that camera because of this or that. You don't know either.
Nobody here that I know of is disputing that the 6D has a better sensor than the 5D Mark III. The problem for your imaginary "facts" is that people buy cameras for more reasons than the sensor.
