Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

[Salleen]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

5D Mark IV vs 6D Mark II ISO performance test with real world samples.

Details:

-All shots made at RAW format, no NR or any changes just White Balance
-I have used the new kit lens which is 24-105mm F4L IS II USM
-All shots made at Aperture Priority Mode and I have used the f4
- I have downscaled the 5d Mark IV to 26mp at Photoshop and compare with the 6D Mark II.

you can easily swipe your mouse right and left to make the compare.

http://www.mertgundogdu.com/6d-mark-ii-ve-5d-mark-iv-iso-testi/

 

[SecureGSM]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Is there any chance that you can offer RAW files as well? downscaled images are nice and sharp but also was interested to have a go at unedited out of camera RAW files. Thank you.

p.s. Can you do me a huge favour and provide 3 photos of your X-Rite ColorChecker card taken at -3EV (3 stop underexposed), 0EV (correctly exposed, spot meter 18% grey swatch of the Card) and +3EV (3 stops overexposed) exposure levels at ISO 100 and identical F-Stop number, say F5.6? I would need RAW files please. Just the entire card with all the swatches visible as on the review page. Thank you.
I would like to compare DR levels of your camera with 6D at ISO 100. I hope you can help.

5D Mark IV vs 6D Mark II ISO performance test with real world samples.

Details:

-All shots made at RAW format, no NR or any changes just White Balance
-I have used the new kit lens which is 24-105mm F4L IS II USM
-All shots made at Aperture Priority Mode and I have used the f4
- I have downscaled the 5d Mark IV to 26mp at Photoshop and compare with the 6D Mark II.

you can easily swipe your mouse right and left to make the compare.

http://www.mertgundogdu.com/6d-mark-ii-ve-5d-mark-iv-iso-testi/

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

5D Mark IV vs 6D Mark II ISO performance test with real world samples.

Details:

-All shots made at RAW format, no NR or any changes just White Balance
-I have used the new kit lens which is 24-105mm F4L IS II USM
-All shots made at Aperture Priority Mode and I have used the f4
- I have downscaled the 5d Mark IV to 26mp at Photoshop and compare with the 6D Mark II.

you can easily swipe your mouse right and left to make the compare.

http://www.mertgundogdu.com/6d-mark-ii-ve-5d-mark-iv-iso-testi/

Something is applying a large amount of color NR, look at the color smudging going on here in the swatches.

 

[Salleen]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

5D Mark IV vs 6D Mark II ISO performance test with real world samples.

Details:

-All shots made at RAW format, no NR or any changes just White Balance
-I have used the new kit lens which is 24-105mm F4L IS II USM
-All shots made at Aperture Priority Mode and I have used the f4
- I have downscaled the 5d Mark IV to 26mp at Photoshop and compare with the 6D Mark II.

you can easily swipe your mouse right and left to make the compare.

http://www.mertgundogdu.com/6d-mark-ii-ve-5d-mark-iv-iso-testi/

Something is applying a large amount of color NR, look at the color smudging going on here in the swatches.

I do not understand maybe you do not meant to be but, there is no NR process on the photos. Neither on Photoshop stage nor in camera stage.

all the best

 

[Salleen]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

And some new dynamic range tests.. Shoot as RAW format and adjusment made at Camera RAW.

Orginal File shoot as RAW

Highlights down to bottom, -0.7 exposure down

You may see the Camera RAW process on the below ss.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

Something is applying a large amount of color NR, look at the color smudging going on here in the swatches.

I do not understand maybe you do not meant to be but, there is no NR process on the photos. Neither on Photoshop stage nor in camera stage.

all the best

Ok here is a screen shot of your test swatch and DPReviews same test swatch both at 100%. Something seems amiss.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

There may be generic NR applied from default camera settings. One must intentionally turn NR off by diving into menu. Factory default is some NR applied IIRC.

 

[PBguy]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I have to admit that this info on DR has me questioning whether or not I should buy the 6D Mark II next week. I'm first on the list at my local camera store but didn't have to put any money down so I can simply not purchase it. Might have to go for the 5D Mark IV instead or even just stick with the 6D for a while.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I have to admit that this info on DR has me questioning whether or not I should buy the 6D Mark II next week. I'm first on the list at my local camera store but didn't have to put any money down so I can simply not purchase it. Might have to go for the 5D Mark IV instead or even just stick with the 6D for a while.

Depends on what you mostly shoot and inherently what ISO do you mostly use. Because after ISO 400, all DR discussions are a moot. Any DR advantage competition have is at low ISO and low ISO only.

 

[ecka]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

We should boycott overpriced and intentionally crippled cameras, or they will continue to produce them.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

We should boycott overpriced and intentionally crippled cameras, or they will continue to produce them.

Honestly, good luck with that. Forum communities are rather small in numbers and would probably not influence sales of any camera in any significant way whatsoever. No matter how much I agree with you.

 

[Hector1970]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I'd agree forum communities are only a minor number. However I do think people read reviews before making large purchases like Full Frame cameras. Magazine reviews will be interesting. They could break this camera. It's still a fine camera but Canon have given them something specific to be unhappy about. Alit of buyers may not understand dynamic range but it's something you might reasonably to have similar to its competitors. I think it was a tactical mistake by Canon. Their next full frame mirrorless or not needs to be fairly good all over.

 

[BillB]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

We should boycott overpriced and intentionally crippled cameras, or they will continue to produce them.

Sure. If you don't like the camera, you will most likely feel better if you don't by one. In fact, it would seem silly if you did. Sounds a little grandiose to call it a boycott though.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I'd agree forum communities are only a minor number. However I do think people read reviews before making large purchases like Full Frame cameras. Magazine reviews will be interesting. They could break this camera. It's still a fine camera but Canon have given them something specific to be unhappy about. Alit of buyers may not understand dynamic range but it's something you might reasonably to have similar to its competitors. I think it was a tactical mistake by Canon. Their next full frame mirrorless or not needs to be fairly good all over.

Mainstream magazines, like most reviewers, strive for balance. DPR does not.

Have a skim through the smattering below, and tell me what in there you think will 'break this camera'.

[quote author=Outdoor Photographer]
Canon EOS 6D Mark II Hits The Sweet Spot
Taking it all together — price, performance, size and handling — the EOS 6D Mark II is an excellent package for outdoor photographers, especially those who primarily shoot landscapes and scenics. The camera’s max continuous shooting of 6.5 fps is perhaps short of what serious wildlife photographers would like, but it’s acceptably fast for most enthusiasts. Though the lack of 4K video may be a turn off for some, if you primarily shoot stills, the Full HD video quality is very good for those occasions when you do want to take movie clips.

Bottom line: The Canon EOS 6D Mark II is one of the most refined DSLRs we've used at any price, and an excellent option for enthusiasts photographers who are stepping up to full-frame.
[/quote]

[quote author=Imaging Resource]
Overall, the Canon 6D Mark II is an impressive camera. It is in many ways an incremental upgrade over its predecessor, which is a bit disappointing given the amount of time that's passed between the release of the two cameras. I would have hoped for some additional improvements, such as better video recording capabilities and perhaps a more impressive viewfinder autofocus system. But what the 6D II does bring to the table is the series' patented blend of performance and price. Its image sensor is very good, Dual Pixel CMOS AF is an excellent inclusion and the new articulating touchscreen display is very useful in the field. The new features the camera includes may not be enough to make all 6D owners want to upgrade, but for users looking for a great full-frame DSLR that won't break the bank, the Canon 6D Mark II may well be an excellent option.
[/quote]

[quote author=Ken Rockwell (sort of)]
Please help feed my family by buying the 6D Mark II using the links below.
[/quote]

[quote author=TechRadar]
OUR EARLY VERDICT
Canon has made some significant improvements over the original 6D, with a fresh sensor, a faster processor, a more credible AF system and stronger burst rate heading a long list of changes. This is somewhat reflected in its asking price, which does make you wonder if it’s been elevated too far out of its 'affordable full-frame' bracket – although it's a good deal cheaper than the next full frame model in the line-up, the EOS 5D Mark IV.

FOR
• Brand new sensor and latest engine
• Brilliant handling
• Excellent connectivity options
AGAINST
• Viewfinder falls short of 100% coverage
• Absence of 4K likely to disappoint some
• No USB 3.0
[/quote]

 

[riker]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

You realize that you are comparing with a7rii which is 2 year old right? Why support a company who's still playing catch up game after 2 years?

I agree: Sony is still playing catch-up on build-quality, reliability, AF, ergonomics, support, resale value, lens selection, accessory selection, etc. Why would you support a company like that?

WAAAAAIT wait wait. So I'm an ex-Canon-fanboy, using Canon digital since D60 (2002 or 2003?) 5d3 now. I always respected Sony for their innovation and great cameras, but as a whole system I felt it pretty lacking and was convinced that people changing from Canon to A7 and using adapters are simply retards. Still think so.
BUT!!! The other day I just ended up on DPR checking out Sony lenses. Have you guys noticed what stuff they were releasing the past 2 years?!?!?! 16-35/2.8 24-70/2.8 12-14/4 50/1.8 50/1.4 85/1.8 85/1.4 100-400, etc...they have released as much as Canon does in like 15 years!!! You can't name one among the 10 most popular lens models of which Sony does not have several years newer than Canon!!
----->>
Not surprisingly if u check DXOmark site (u can find sh*t there too but as a general reference it's not bad), and compare there lenses on A7RII vs 5D4, u will find that A7RII+Sony lenses beat the crap out of 5D4+Canon lenses especially in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value imho.

So instead of upgrading to 5D4 I think I'll just wait and see. 5D4 and A7RII are kinda equal right now with pros and cons. My 16-35/2.8L II, 70-200/4L IS and 180 macro are outdated anyway. With this pace Sony will have A7RIII in 1 year and who knows what lenses while we can't expect a thing from Canon.

 

[SecureGSM]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

I was running some pixel level sharness tests over the past weekend with some Canon, Sony and Nikon bodies.
I published the results here on CR. end result: Canon 80D and Canon 5D IV sensors exibit the best pixel level sharpness, following by Sony A9 and Nikon D750. so that you know. A7RII sucked quite a bit in that department.
in regards to Canon lenses are not as sharp as the Sony lenses:
head to Lensrentals for the lens reviews and you will find out that Canon lenses are in fact are very very good.
through longevity, reliability, quality of support and service in to the mix and all that sudden Canon 5D IV does not look all that bad anylonger

Not surprisingly if u check DXOmark site (u can find sh*t there too but as a general reference it's not bad), and compare there lenses on A7RII vs 5D4, u will find that A7RII+Sony lenses beat the crap out of 5D4+Canon lenses especially in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value imho.

So instead of upgrading to 5D4 I think I'll just wait and see. 5D4 and A7RII are kinda equal right now with pros and cons. My 16-35/2.8L II, 70-200/4L IS and 180 macro are outdated anyway. With this pace Sony will have A7RIII in 1 year and who knows what lenses while we can't expect a thing from Canon.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

You realize that you are comparing with a7rii which is 2 year old right? Why support a company who's still playing catch up game after 2 years?

I agree: Sony is still playing catch-up on build-quality, reliability, AF, ergonomics, support, resale value, lens selection, accessory selection, etc. Why would you support a company like that?

WAAAAAIT wait wait. So I'm an ex-Canon-fanboy, using Canon digital since D60 (2002 or 2003?) 5d3 now. I always respected Sony for their innovation and great cameras, but as a whole system I felt it pretty lacking and was convinced that people changing from Canon to A7 and using adapters are simply retards. Still think so.
BUT!!! The other day I just ended up on DPR checking out Sony lenses. Have you guys noticed what stuff they were releasing the past 2 years?!?!?! 16-35/2.8 24-70/2.8 12-14/4 50/1.8 50/1.4 85/1.8 85/1.4 100-400, etc...they have released as much as Canon does in like 15 years!!! You can't name one among the 10 most popular lens models of which Sony does not have several years newer than Canon!!
----->>
Not surprisingly if u check DXOmark site (u can find sh*t there too but as a general reference it's not bad), and compare there lenses on A7RII vs 5D4, u will find that A7RII+Sony lenses beat the crap out of 5D4+Canon lenses especially in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value imho.

So instead of upgrading to 5D4 I think I'll just wait and see. 5D4 and A7RII are kinda equal right now with pros and cons. My 16-35/2.8L II, 70-200/4L IS and 180 macro are outdated anyway. With this pace Sony will have A7RIII in 1 year and who knows what lenses while we can't expect a thing from Canon.

70-200/4L IS and outdated? How and why? One of the sharpest zooms Canon have, build like a tank and weathersealed. How exactly is that lens anyhow outdated?!?

 

[Hflm]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

You realize that you are comparing with a7rii which is 2 year old right? Why support a company who's still playing catch up game after 2 years?

I agree: Sony is still playing catch-up on build-quality, reliability, AF, ergonomics, support, resale value, lens selection, accessory selection, etc. Why would you support a company like that?

WAAAAAIT wait wait. So I'm an ex-Canon-fanboy, using Canon digital since D60 (2002 or 2003?) 5d3 now. I always respected Sony for their innovation and great cameras, but as a whole system I felt it pretty lacking and was convinced that people changing from Canon to A7 and using adapters are simply retards. Still think so.
BUT!!! The other day I just ended up on DPR checking out Sony lenses. Have you guys noticed what stuff they were releasing the past 2 years?!?!?! 16-35/2.8 24-70/2.8 12-14/4 50/1.8 50/1.4 85/1.8 85/1.4 100-400, etc...they have released as much as Canon does in like 15 years!!! You can't name one among the 10 most popular lens models of which Sony does not have several years newer than Canon!!
----->>
Not surprisingly if u check DXOmark site (u can find sh*t there too but as a general reference it's not bad), and compare there lenses on A7RII vs 5D4, u will find that A7RII+Sony lenses beat the crap out of 5D4+Canon lenses especially in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value imho.

So instead of upgrading to 5D4 I think I'll just wait and see. 5D4 and A7RII are kinda equal right now with pros and cons. My 16-35/2.8L II, 70-200/4L IS and 180 macro are outdated anyway. With this pace Sony will have A7RIII in 1 year and who knows what lenses while we can't expect a thing from Canon.

We use A7rii and Canon 5div and no, I don't agree in general, only in parts. It will always be so, that a lens on a higher MP body without AA filter will give higher acuity curves (I hope you don't look at overall scores). Older lenses will oftentimes look worse than newer ones, too. If required, one could use the 5dsr to increase the acuity, too. In real life, however, you will be hard pressed to even see a difference, unless you know the combination and watch at 100% on a 5k monitor. We often see that after a wedding when going through the images.

The 35/1.4ii is excellent and better imo than the 35/1.4 on the Sony. An excellent lens. As Canon's 50 and 85mm versions are a bit older already, we use the 50 and 85 1.4 Sigma Art lenses. No L-lenses, of course, but one advantage of the Canon body is that you can use Sigma's lenses natively (and if you specifically compare those, yes, their resolution wide open is showing the age of these lenses). The Sigmas, however, are in every aspect a match for the 50/1.4 and 85/1.4GM, which we own, too. The Sigma Art 85/1.4 is even a bit sharper than the 85 GM and focusses faster.
I compared the 70-200ii and the Sony 70-200GM at Photokina and did test images and both are similar in real life performance. Lensrentals optical bench tests seem to agree. The "old" Canon 24-70/2.8ii is the equal of Sony's 24-70, too, lensrentals.com sees it even a tiny bit better, if I remember. Canon new 16-35/2.8iii is currently one of the best WA-zooms (again optical bench measurments). I am sure the new Sony is similar, however. The 16-35/4 and 11-24 are very similar to the Sony counterparts, too. So your "beat the crap out" is just nonsense. You can't go wrong with either system right now, in my opinion.

 

[ecka]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

You realize that you are comparing with a7rii which is 2 year old right? Why support a company who's still playing catch up game after 2 years?

I agree: Sony is still playing catch-up on build-quality, reliability, AF, ergonomics, support, resale value, lens selection, accessory selection, etc. Why would you support a company like that?

WAAAAAIT wait wait. So I'm an ex-Canon-fanboy, using Canon digital since D60 (2002 or 2003?) 5d3 now. I always respected Sony for their innovation and great cameras, but as a whole system I felt it pretty lacking and was convinced that people changing from Canon to A7 and using adapters are simply retards. Still think so.
BUT!!! The other day I just ended up on DPR checking out Sony lenses. Have you guys noticed what stuff they were releasing the past 2 years?!?!?! 16-35/2.8 24-70/2.8 12-14/4 50/1.8 50/1.4 85/1.8 85/1.4 100-400, etc...they have released as much as Canon does in like 15 years!!! You can't name one among the 10 most popular lens models of which Sony does not have several years newer than Canon!!
----->>
Not surprisingly if u check DXOmark site (u can find sh*t there too but as a general reference it's not bad), and compare there lenses on A7RII vs 5D4, u will find that A7RII+Sony lenses beat the crap out of 5D4+Canon lenses especially in regards of sharpness (resolution) which is by far the most important value imho.

So instead of upgrading to 5D4 I think I'll just wait and see. 5D4 and A7RII are kinda equal right now with pros and cons. My 16-35/2.8L II, 70-200/4L IS and 180 macro are outdated anyway. With this pace Sony will have A7RIII in 1 year and who knows what lenses while we can't expect a thing from Canon.

70-200/4L IS and outdated? How and why? One of the sharpest zooms Canon have, build like a tank and weathersealed. How exactly is that lens anyhow outdated?!?

The older generation IS is not as effective as we have today. And there's an issue typical for the EF 70-200/4L IS - the slipping AF, when both AF and manual focus stop working properly. I'm not sure if Canon fixed the design, maybe the newly produced copies do not have that problem anymore (I hope).
However, I agree, it's one of Canon's best L zooms. The mark II version might just be bigger, heavier and more expensive, but not much better optically. So, it's not a win-win situation, in my opinion.
What I would like to see instead, is the new small EF 100-300mm F5.6L IS.

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Dynamic Range Talk & Sample Images

The older generation IS is not as effective as we have today. And there's an issue typical for the EF 70-200/4L IS - the slipping AF, when both AF and manual focus stop working properly. I'm not sure if Canon fixed the design, maybe the newly produced copies do not have that problem anymore (I hope).
However, I agree, it's one of Canon's best L zooms. The mark II version might just be bigger, heavier and more expensive, but not much better optically. So, it's not a win-win situation, in my opinion.
What I would like to see instead, is the new small EF 100-300mm F5.6L IS.

Well, to be honest, I sold my copy exactly for that AF slippage, two repairs during warranty, so I sold it for a bargain price with full diclaimer to the new owner and he's been happy as a bug, because five years from now, he didn't experience a single issue with that lens. Guess I'm just very unlucky. But that could be remedied even in the original version. Problem with mk II would be - as you accurately pointed already - significant increase of price and a bit better IS, but sharpness is almost as good as it gets and there is a very diminishing return even with a steep price hike...