Canon EOS 6D Mark II Poll Results

[Aglet]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

Oh my.... (count me "not terribly surprised" if this is the case as Canon is all about the $)

I hope those who were counting on the DR improvements will get further confirmation testing in time to cancel (or keep) their pre-orders.

Luvin my ABCs for the last 5 yrs now... no stripey raw files to work around.

I think I'll be giggling for my entire 30k bike ride now... Sorry y'all.

 

[mashuto]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

Yea, been following that one. Super super disappointing if true. Might wait to see if we can get some further confirmation first, but definitely leaning hard towards cancelling my preorder. The features it has are still very nice for me, but I just dont think they are worth the full initial retail price for me if there is no image quality improvement (at least in terms of what I am most interested in).

On the one hand, its not such a bad thing, my 6D is still a really fantastic camera for my needs, but if I want to stick with Canon and continue with full frame, my options are either spend quite a bit more for the 5D4, which is missing one feature I really would want (the screen) and has a ton of extra features I just do not care about or skip this generation entirely and wait maybe 4 or 5 years to see what they do next. Or wait until the 6D2 drops in price to something more in line with what I think the value would be for me assuming no increase in IQ.

Oh well, I should probably just go out and shoot more and not worry about it and just enjoy taking pictures with the gear I already have that I know works quite well. Maybe Ill put the money towards the 11-24...

Such a rollercoaster of emotions!

 

[privatebydesign]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

But nobody knows where those files are coming from.... certainly not an officially released production camera.

 

[Don Haines]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

So we are to believe a rumor on a website that says that the DR has not improved because the DXO metric says so?

I call BULL on this...... The camera is not released yet, DXO does not have images from it, and their "scaled metric" is at best problematic, and at worst an outright lie.

As said before on multiple occasions, wait for an independent review from a reputable source.....

 

[mashuto]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

So we are to believe a rumor on a website that says that the DR has not improved because the DXO metric says so?

I call BULL on this...... The camera is not released yet, DXO does not have images from it, and their "scaled metric" is at best problematic, and at worst an outright lie.

As said before on multiple occasions, wait for an independent review from a reputable source.....

So if the dxo metric is a bad way to measure then... there is even an objective way to measure it? And from what I read, he got the camera from Canon New Zealand and I dont think they are rumors, they were working from actual RAW files. Whether its a pre production model or not, who knows, but I cant imagine the difference from a pre-production model to the final model would or could be that great.

Anyways, you are absolutely right, wait for an independent review from a realiable source. Of course, my decision right now is related to whether I keep my preorder. And the evidence we have so far is pointing towards this potentially not being much if any of an improvement in IQ (at least in DR) over the original.

I was not trying to discount it entirely, but again, since I jumped the gun to preorder, I may not have the luxury of waiting for reliable reviews or objective DR measurements if they even exist.

Then again, I can sell my 6D (which I wasnt planning to do) and a lens I no longer use and cover most of the cost anyways. Sorry, thinking out loud.

 

[BillB]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

But nobody knows where those files are coming from.... certainly not an officially released production camera.

Canon recently had at least one event where photographic media types were given preproduction 6DII's to play with, and some reports are out there on the web, with some jpgs (no Raw's). My guess is that DPR got some jpgs from one of these events, either first hand or second hand, and that is what they ran with. About par for their course. Get something out fast that is controversial enough to boost site traffic and get a fire storm going on the forums. Endless hours of Internet fun. Who knows what the "Canon rep" actually said.

 

[Jopa]

I highly doubt Canon would modify the sensor production line to put ADC back out of the sensor. Looks like a BS test to me.

 

[Luds34]

One rep says worse.... one rep says slightly better.... one says 5D4 was 1.5 stops better than the 5D3 and that the 6D2 will not be 1.5 stops better than the 6D, but the 6D was already better than the 5D3, so it is possible that the improvement of the 6D2 over the 6D could be less than 1.5 stops and still have a higher DR than the 5D4....

The thing is, both are going to use the same technology and are very close together in time.... I doubt that any of us will be able to detect the difference, but until independent tests are done, it is all speculation....

You've expressed my sentiments quite well. Sure time will show, but at the end of the day, with fairly high certainty (or apply a bell shaped curve) we have a pretty good idea where this sensor will fall. And without tests, benchmarks, etc. you are absolutely correct one will not be able to tell the difference with a 5D4.

 

[Luds34]

I am not trying to talk someone out of their priorities, but I am arguing that purchasing for DR reasons seems is a very expensive give-to-get relationship.

- A

Great point.

Yes, while their are exceptions, a majority of us don't get to shoot at base ISO for every shot. So all this talk of DR (which is really implying at base ISO) very quickly becomes irrelevant for many real world shooting conditions.

 

[Orangutan]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

I think I'll be giggling for my entire 30k bike ride now... Sorry y'all.

But will you post any photos?

 

[Luds34]

Im also probably psyching myself up about this a bit since there is just no way to know right now anyways. But, I preordered and just am hoping I will get most if not everything I want right now, and this is just one spot that we still dont know. And for me the preorder isnt just about DR. I preordered because of everything else it offers, but with the hope and expectation that there would be a noticeable difference in IQ and DR even if it is just marginal. That to me makes it a complete package worth the preorder price. The DR and IQ stuff is just sort of like the last little bump in the value equation to me.

Get pysched a bit. Good for you, it's a new toy. A friend once told me (and I think this is just an excuse to combat GAS) if a new camera or lens gets you excited and out and shooting more (even if there is not a technical justification for the purchase) than it's money well spent!

I'm in the same boat. Sold my 6D, I've pre-ordered the 6D2. For me this ticks a few missing boxes (namely AI servo tracking outside of center of frame) from the original 6D. With all that said... any upgrade I've ever done (whether cameras, computers, cars, etc) that is just one generation removed is going to ultimately be underwhelming in "real world use cases". No one looks at a print on a wall and says "Ahhh you definitely shot that with a 5D mark IV", right?

Best of luck! I'm fairly sure it will be a very solid camera and I look forward to some great shots over the next number of years.

 

[Jopa]

Best of luck! I'm fairly sure it will be a very solid camera and I look forward to some great shots over the next number of years.

Wrong. Canon is doomed, all Canon shooters are doomed, time to jump ship everybody! I just put all my Canon stuff on eBay for $19.95 /s

 

[CanonCams]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

Those posters are gonna have some ugly egg on their face.

 

[Don Haines]

6DII dynamic range (DR) not improved, unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1497323/25#14098826

This is BULL****!

They say that the black point is 512 and the white point is 16383...... that is 5 stops of DR!

Wait for a reputable review, not a DXO based rumor.....

 

[SecureGSM]

what is your eBay ID there? Do you accept offers?

Best of luck! I'm fairly sure it will be a very solid camera and I look forward to some great shots over the next number of years.

Wrong. Canon is doomed, all Canon shooters are doomed, time to jump ship everybody! I just put all my Canon stuff on eBay for $19.95 /s

 

[Aglet]

Such a rollercoaster of emotions!

THIS is why I went ABC.
I stopped waiting, wishing, pre-ordering, hoping for improvements... it was like a bad relationship!
I divorced Canon, acquired a poly-camerous lifestyle of far greater satisfaction.

 

[SecureGSM]

sounds boring. meh

Such a rollercoaster of emotions!

THIS is why I went ABC.
I stopped waiting, wishing, pre-ordering, hoping for improvements... it was like a bad relationship!
I divorced Canon, acquired a poly-camerous lifestyle of far greater satisfaction.

 

[LesC]

I voted 'Maybe, but I’ll wait for real world reviews' but perhaps there should have been another category; 'I'll definately get it, but like to wait for real world reviews just to make sure there's no teething problems'

That wolud more accurately reflect my thinking

 

[LonelyBoy]

Get pysched a bit. Good for you, it's a new toy. A friend once told me (and I think this is just an excuse to combat GAS) if a new camera or lens gets you excited and out and shooting more (even if there is not a technical justification for the purchase) than it's money well spent!

Exactly. For my skill level and purposes, do I really need a 5D3 and 2.8 zooms? No, probably not. Are they a lot more fun to use and get me shooting more? YES! So who cares?

 

[mashuto]

Best of luck! I'm fairly sure it will be a very solid camera and I look forward to some great shots over the next number of years.

Wrong. Canon is doomed, all Canon shooters are doomed, time to jump ship everybody! I just put all my Canon stuff on eBay for $19.95 /s

While I appreciate this and think its pretty funny. That was a response to me being concerned about these results. And being concerned is not the same as thinking this camera is a disaster or a failure.

My concern is that I went into this with an expectation based on past releases that I maybe shouldn't have. That the sensor would have significant IQ improvements in the areas I was hoping for. And its starting to look like it might not. The only two pieces of evidence so far are a RAW file that probably came from a preproduction camera (though could production actually be that huge of a difference?) and a statement from a Canon rep (though someone seems to think there was an opposite statement from another... but I dont know the source of that).

DR is an important item to me that I was hoping for in an upgrade. And its starting to look like my choices for a DR upgrade are to spend significantly more on a camera, 5D4, that has so many things I dont want or care about and is even missing one or two things I want (articulating screen). Or look elsewhere. But I like Canon and have no real desire to switch.

So, I have no doubt in my mind that the 6DII will be a fantastic camera, just like the 6D is. But with these doubts about DR (with some evidence) I am just wondering if I was too hasty with my preorder and whether the camera is really worth a spending $2000 as an upgrade over the 6D. I was originally planning to keep my 6D as a backup, but I could sell it and offset the cost... I dunno. I am exciting about the new features and would certainly benefit from having them. But without an increase in IQ, specifically DR, I question whether its worth the full upgrade price for me.

Everyone says wait and see, which I agree with since its hard to know whats factual and whats rumor, or what is down to preproduction models or what. But I just dont have that luxury with a preorder. So, it just seems more and more like cancelling the preorder and waiting until we have more actual solid evidence one way or another.