Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk & Updated Roadmap [CR2]

[ahsanford]

Well done for shoehorning that image in

What you want hasn't yet been delivered. But Canon has produced a new 50mm lens in the last year, which is what I said. So...

Didn't mean to wind you up. I get you.

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

Dustin stated the 6D has HIGHER DR than the 5D3.

Yeah, but it's still poor. The Internet says so. :

it's not poor.

canon has unusable DR, can't shoot anything with it.. if you can't shoot in one shot a nuclear blast through dappled forest leaves then you may as well punt the thing and get a sony.

+1,000,000

Canon has become a joke, the pathetic DR capabilities of their sensors makes me embarrassed to use them, I'd sell them and get a SoNikon but I can't afford to as the resale value is so poor as everybody knows Canon is a joke.

No DR.
No innovation.
No FF mirrorless.
No clue..........

Here is an example from today that illustrates the woeful performance of Canon cameras and lenses, they suck.

 

[scyrene]

Dustin stated the 6D has HIGHER DR than the 5D3.

Yeah, but it's still poor. The Internet says so. :

it's not poor.

canon has unusable DR, can't shoot anything with it.. if you can't shoot in one shot a nuclear blast through dappled forest leaves then you may as well punt the thing and get a sony.

I chuckled at this

 

[ahsanford]

+1,000,000

Canon has become a joke, the pathetic DR capabilities of their sensors makes me embarrassed to use them, I'd sell them and get a SoNikon but I can't afford to as the resale value is so poor as everybody knows Canon is a joke.

No DR.
No innovation.
No FF mirrorless.
No clue..........

Here is an example from today that illustrates the woeful performance of Canon cameras and lenses, they suck.

Yeah, total crap, I see what you mean.

I bet you could only push the water three stops instead of the six you wanted. Screw you, Canon.

#unacceptable

- A

 

[scyrene]

Well done for shoehorning that image in

What you want hasn't yet been delivered. But Canon has produced a new 50mm lens in the last year, which is what I said. So...

Didn't mean to wind you up. I get you.

- A

Ha, it's ok. Your point is well made, and I'm sure we'll all rejoice if and when they produce a new portrait lens (I don;t do much portraiture so it's not so pressing for me).

 

[jebrady03]

I consider 50mm to be an environmental portrait focal length (when used on FF). It's just a personal opinion, of course.

 

[slclick]

I consider 50mm to be an environmental portrait focal length (when used on FF). It's just a personal opinion, of course.

Tha 40 pancake as well.

 

[ahsanford]

I consider 50mm to be an environmental portrait focal length (when used on FF). It's just a personal opinion, of course.

Yeah, I didn't expect this crowd to let that go by the boards without a 50 vs. 85 rebuttal. :

I'd take a step in, myself. I'd go head/shoulders on a 50 on FF.

- A

 

[Loswr]

Canon has become a joke, the pathetic DR capabilities of their sensors makes me embarrassed to use them

+1 googleplex

Your highlights are blown out and there are still shadows in your image. Sad.

 

[jebrady03]

I consider 50mm to be an environmental portrait focal length (when used on FF). It's just a personal opinion, of course.

Yeah, I didn't expect this crowd to let that go by the boards without a 50 vs. 85 rebuttal. :

I'd take a step in, myself. I'd go head/shoulders on a 50 on FF.

- A

Too much distortion of facial features for my taste. But, that's the beauty of photography - no one is "right"

Tha 40 pancake as well.

Yup. Anything wider than 50-60mm is, what I'd consider to be, an environmental portrait if one uses the lens in a way to avoid distortion of facial features.

 

[mskrystalmeth]

So this means at the same...either before or after Canon Announces their Mark Something...Nikon Will introduce D900 80mp. Cuz Sony is about to announce their A9 with 80mp.

 

[Cory]

Getting very excited for my new 6D. I think I order on Monday with hopefully selling my 70D and 10-18 over the weekend plus maybe one of my firearms that's collecting dust. They say, "Beware the man with one camera - he probably knows how to use it." or something like that.

 

[d]

Looking forward to a 6D II simply so I can pick up a 6D at a bargain price. I've already purchased a s/h RRS L-plate for it from ebay, now I just need the camera!

d.

 

[Loswr]

...
Your English is fine, it's your opinions that are the problem.
....

A person can have whatever opinion they so wish. You can't tell someone that doesn't like blue that their opinion of the color blue is wrong.

Sure, but if it's your opinion that the Earth is flat, or that the 1D C is not a dSLR, then sharing that opinion just makes you look foolish.

 

[rrcphoto]

So this means at the same...either before or after Canon Announces their Mark Something...Nikon Will introduce D900 80mp. Cuz Sony is about to announce their A9 with 80mp.

sure they are.

and so what? canon's already stated they are coming out with a 120MP DSLR.

 

[Dekaner]

the 5Ds, for which there are rumors of it being replaced this year.

Are you trying to start a new rumor? I'd put this at a rating of CR negative 1.

 

[FECHariot]

Looking at the timing of the 6D, it was announced 2 years after the 60D and they shared similar autofocus. If the 6D Mark II was announced tomorrow, my guess is the autofocus would be more like the 70D. The longer we wait for the 6D II announcement, the better chance that the autofocus will resemble the 80D.

60D August 2010
70D July 2013
6D September 2012

The 6D was announced closer to the 70D than the 60D, but still before the 70D. I also don't feel like they share a similar autofocus array. The 60D has 9 cross type points with the center being dual cross type at f/2.8. The 6D has 1 cross type point (center) with -3EV capability and 10 single line (vertical OR horizontal, depending on the location) points. Other than the minimal number of points and the center point being the most impressive point - both of which are fairly generic occurrences, they don't really share any similarities.

Believe it or not, the 6D shares more similarities with the AF system of the Rebel T3i. The T3i has 2 less points and the center point is only -.5EV sensitive, otherwise they spec out basically the same.

The T3i was announced in February of 2011 (T4i in June 2012), roughly a year and a half prior to the 6D - meaning the T3i had already been replaced when the 6D was announced. So, if we assume that the 6D Mark II will have an AF system which has 20% more AF points than the prior generation "high end" Rebel, and if we also assume that the 6D Mark II will be announced next year, then more than likely the comparator would be the T6i/T6s as those were announced Feb 2015 and will likely be replaced in 6-10 months. So, if we increase the number of AF points by 20%, we're up to 23 AF points. Except now, all AF points are cross-type but unlike the 70D (AFAIK), the center AF point is NOT dual cross type.

IF we assume the above is correct, I would expect the 6D AF to spec out like this...
-23 cross type points (maybe 25 so they could do a 5x5 arrangement)
-Center AF point sensitive down to -4EV (Canon mentioned in the 6D announcement that -3EV was the best of all of their current cameras so I would assume they would want to follow that legacy)

Having said that, I'm with you... I'd MUCH rather see an AF system similar to the 80D. But I think the 6D would need to move "upmarket" for that to happen - which is something that has been rumored, so it might happen.

I doubt we would see 80D level AF but I happy if it did. I am just hoping it will be no less than a 7D/70Dish level AF system

 

[j-nord]

the 5Ds, for which there are rumors of it being replaced this year.

Are you trying to start a new rumor? I'd put this at a rating of CR negative 1.

Seems legit :

 

[j-nord]

So this means at the same...either before or after Canon Announces their Mark Something...Nikon Will introduce D900 80mp. Cuz Sony is about to announce their A9 with 80mp.

sure they are.

and so what? canon's already stated they are coming out with a 120MP DSLR.

Thats as helpful as saying they are coming out with an 18 fps dslr. Its a technological progression that we can reasonably expect. When, not if, is the relevent component.

 

[ahsanford]

That won't directly impact the 6D line.

A 80MP or 90MP D830 is more of a threat to the 5Ds, for which there are rumors of it being replaced this year.

What Canon now needs to worry about is what Nikon does with the D620. Then there is also the Pentax K-1 and Sony A7.

Although if the A9/D830 comes out with many many more megapixels (assume above the 5Ds), then it means that the D760 will also have more than it does (will it get 36MP?) and that the D620 may also be around that number.

Canon will have a more difficult time in future of attracting new customers.

I think the market's FF segmentation is not aligned. Whereas Canon and Nikon go product vs. product in a very similar market setup at other price points (D500 vs. 7D2, D5500 vs. Rebels, etc.), due to a host of reasons, the FF rigs are in a bit of weird 'soup' of indirect / 'kindasorta' comparison.

See attached as an example. I've offered two ways to slice the market, and neither look quite right, IMHO.

- A