Canon EOS 6D Mark II to Get New 26mp Sensor [CR3]

[Ozarker]

Wean them off the budget friendly EF-S lenses, slip the red-ringed crack pipe of L-lenses into their hands...

Dang Scotty! That has to be the funniest line I've read in awhile. ;D

 

[Ozarker]

26 MP
6 fps (previously rumored)
Tilty-flippy (and I think we all assume that will be a touchscreen)
DPAF

All it needs is a half-decent AF setup and a lot of folks will start asking themselves how badly they need 5D-level niceties like 100% VF coverage, 1/8000 shutter, dual slots, etc.

Because a Canon EF rig that it is 90% as good as the 5D4 that only costs 60% as much will sell well, but it may put a dent into 5D4 sales in the process.

- A

This is just guesswork on my part, but I recently sold my 7D and EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 just because of the 6D Mark II. I would never invest in a 5D rig, but I did want to go full-frame.
I'm wondering if the 'dent' in 5D series sales is outweighed by people like me who: a) invest a little more in a full-frame rig as opposed to staying on the more affordable APS-C spectrum; b) will now buy lenses that aren't EF-S and thus cost more.

I think Scotty said it best:

Wean them off the budget friendly EF-S lenses, slip the red-ringed crack pipe of L-lenses into their hands...

However, my hunch is that the non-L lenses are more the cash cow for Canon. This forum is very lopsided to the top line of products and some people like to believe that the high end is where the big money is made. I suspect the opposite based on sheer volume alone. Somebody is going to ask whether I have sales figures to prove this. No, I don't. But the same people don't have sales figures to disprove it either.

I do agree with Scotty. Red rings are the camera world equivalent of crack.

 

[wildwalker]

WHAT I AM CONCERNING IS WHETHER IT HAS 4K OR NOT

Well, the UHD on the 5DMk4 is pretty poor (spec wise) so if the 6DMk2 has UHD, it's going to probably be awful

Seriously, the 5DMk4 can only do 2160p30, which as an industry standard totally sucks, and in four years time, when the camera will likely be replaced, it will be beyond a joke.

As for the 6DMk2, how do you make the video modes even worse than the 5DMk4? Older Codec? lower bitrate? lower framerate? (that would be super omg) lower resolution (don't laugh) WQHD (2560×1440) or even 2K? (2048×1080) (with a vertical resolution of 1080, does that still fall in to HD?)

Anyway, I would rather get DPAF, 45 AF Points, good DR and have video limited to 1080p rather than lose any of those features at the expense of a really crappy UHD solutions.

The new C Log on the 5DMk4, is this for WCG / HDR? Perhaps this will be something that they leave off the 6D Mk2 with no possibility for upgrades.

If you really want UHD @ 30fps, buy a go pro, cheap as chips

 

[Loswr]

The apologists defend this on this forum by essentially arguing their main concern is Canon's profits, not their own interest in obtaining the most bang for their buck. Bizarre.

Again, I eagerly await to be wrong.

That makes sense. Your statement above is wrong, and shows a clear lack of comprehension. But it's good that you're looking forward to being wrong again, I'm sure you won't have long to wait.

 

[BillB]

Yes! AF is the only thing that is really important for me.. the 9 AF points on the 6D just made it so so weak. I'm thinking that they'd have at least 19 AF points? I predict 19-30 AF points, all cross type.

19 AF points one would think is the low end. High end might be more like the 80D's 45 points.

But again: [26 x 6 x 45] is not terribly far off of the [30 x 7 x 61] of the 5D4. So if Canon made such a 6D2 as that, one would argue they will need to keep something sexy out of the 6D2 to justify their (guessing) $2099 vs $3299 body-only prices -- and I'm talking about more than just the 5D4 things we generally presume the 6D2 isn't going to get (100% VF coverage, tough metal build, etc.).

To me, those things are the features on the fence that a lot of people want: 4K, AF joystick, high number of the AF points working at f/8, dual slots, faster flash sync, 1/8000 shutter, etc. My presumption is the 6D2 will get some but not all of that list.

- A

45 points without a joystick could be its own punishment. The 80D 45pt AF has 27pts working at f8, IIRC.

 

[Mikehit]

Seriously, the 5DMk4 can only do 2160p30, which as an industry standard totally sucks, and in four years time, when the camera will likely be replaced, it will be beyond a joke.

WoW! Better stick the knives into the 1Dx2 then because in 4 years time technology will have moved on. Same for the A7Rii, A9, X-T2 and all the others.

Canon's explanation for their choice of codec is that they looked at the typical user - that is, not the people expecting pro grade video at a DSLR price - and took the view that they are casual short-segment video shooters who want to be able to edit video strips without relying on maxed-out computers to do so. It is hard ot argue against that rationale.
But the old adage applies - give them an inch and they want a yard. Give them a sniff of technological possibilities and you can guarantee some self-important subset numbering in the single-digit percent will complain they did not go further.

 

[jmoya]

Aren't these things suppose tp be getting smaller not larger. I liked the original 6d size but I guess with the flip screen the size needed to go up. Regardless...26mp is just right. I now need it to shoot at least 1080 at 60fps and have good low light. Sony and Nikon is killing the dynamic range game.

 

[FramerMCB]

26 MP
6 fps (previously rumored)
Tilty-flippy (and I think we all assume that will be a touchscreen)
DPAF

All it needs is a half-decent AF setup and a lot of folks will start asking themselves how badly they need 5D-level niceties like 100% VF coverage, 1/8000 shutter, dual slots, etc.

Because a Canon EF rig that it is 90% as good as the 5D4 that only costs 60% as much will sell well, but it may put a dent into 5D4 sales in the process.

- A

It might put a dent in 5D sales. But does that matter it is still money for canon and not sony or nikon. There is a lot of people who won't spend 5D money. So if Canon doesn't have a viable option, then most people will buy from a different brand. So selling the 6D will hurt 5D sales and not having a 6D will hurt sales. At least with the 6D then you can sell Lenses and batteries too.

Buyers in the market for a FF rig are a mix of hobbyists, serious hobbyists, semi-pros, and pros. That said, their needs and desires cover a broad range in what they are looking for/need. I believe as others here have posted that like the 6D did when brought to market, it was a great seller for many reasons. 1. It gave pros that already had the 5D III a viable, cheaper backup option (depending of course, largely on the specific needs of a pro that would/could consider it as such). 2. For hobbyists with funds and serious amateurs and semi-pros or those considering going that direction a good-to-great option for entering the FF marketplace. (Keep in mind I'm speaking mainly of those already invested in the Canon ecosystem.) 3. An option for those holding out on the digital revolution that were still shooting film, a camera that wouldn't break the bank, would take photos comparable to film, and because of it's interchangeable focusing screens allow them to shoot legacy glass far, far easier than most any other digital camera on the market (at the time) no matter the brand.
I'm sure there are other marketing cases/customer demographics as well.

The 6D Mk II will do the same. Only this time around, will also include the demographic of current 6D owners. Mk IV owners will seriously consider the 6d Mk II as a backup body. I am supposing that Canon hopefully has learned a thing or two since the 6D was introduced and will give the Mk II more robust weather sealing, along with what I'm betting will be an AF system that will be awesome but still not make the naysayers happy.

We have but a few more days to wait. We live in fabulous times as photographers, whether pro or hobbyist. The tech going into today's cameras is amazing and all camera manufacturers are pushing the envelope and each other to greater and greater heights (cameras). From the revolutionary (from a premium build/sensor/articulating screen/J-peg engine (when properly calibrated)) Pentax (Ricoh) FF K-1, Fujifilm's excellent and improving XT's, Olympus and Panasonic 4/3rds systems, premium Leica and Hassleblad works of shooting art, Sony's amazing tech that is revolutionizing at least part of the digital market, to Nikon and Canon continuing to design and build models that are intriguing, enticing, and just plain great. There is something for everyone and every type of shooter. (And I haven't even included here the pretty amazing things you can do with smartphone camera's or some of the point-and-shoot models...)

Good times! So be happy. Find the model you want/need and get shooting!

 

[FramerMCB]

Seriously, the 5DMk4 can only do 2160p30, which as an industry standard totally sucks, and in four years time, when the camera will likely be replaced, it will be beyond a joke.

WoW! Better stick the knives into the 1Dx2 then because in 4 years time technology will have moved on. Same for the A7Rii, A9, X-T2 and all the others.

Canon's explanation for their choice of codec is that they looked at the typical user - that is, not the people expecting pro grade video at a DSLR price - and took the view that they are casual short-segment video shooters who want to be able to edit video strips without relying on maxed-out computers to do so. It is hard ot argue against that rationale.
But the old adage applies - give them an inch and they want a yard. Give them a sniff of technological possibilities and you can guarantee some self-important subset numbering in the single-digit percent will complain they did not go further.

I agree with your statement here...1000%.

 

[FramerMCB]

Aren't these things suppose tp be getting smaller not larger. I liked the original 6d size but I guess with the flip screen the size needed to go up. Regardless...26mp is just right. I now need it to shoot at least 1080 at 60fps and have good low light. Sony and Nikon is killing the dynamic range game.

Well Nikon is using Sony sensors. If you want a low-light performer extraordinaire I would suggest you check out the Pentax K-1. A word of caution though, it's video specs/performance seems as more of an afterthought and is aimed more at stills shooters. If you need to stay in the Canon ecosystem...I don't think you'll be disappointed by the 6D Mk II for low-light and video features (that you want: "...at least 1080 at 60fps").

 

[Loswr]

The 6D Mk II will do the same. Only this time around, will also include the demographic of current 6D owners.

Certainly they're included, but I'm not convinced that Canon generally views current owners of the immediate predecessor as a major target market for a new dSLR. I suspect xxD owners will be the major target, and also 5DII owners (of which there are still many).

 

[wildwalker]

Seriously, the 5DMk4 can only do 2160p30, which as an industry standard totally sucks, and in four years time, when the camera will likely be replaced, it will be beyond a joke.

WoW! Better stick the knives into the 1Dx2 then because in 4 years time technology will have moved on. Same for the A7Rii, A9, X-T2 and all the others.

The point is Canon implemented UHD in a very poor way from day1, and it's only going to look worse as time goes on. The price the 5D came out at warranted full UHD support.

Canon's explanation for their choice of codec is that they looked at the typical user - that is, not the people expecting pro grade video at a DSLR price - and took the view that they are casual short-segment video shooters who want to be able to edit video strips without relying on maxed-out computers to do so. It is hard ot argue against that rationale.

Quite the opposite, for shorter clips, the larger files sizes would be manageable.

But the old adage applies - give them an inch and they want a yard. Give them a sniff of technological possibilities and you can guarantee some self-important subset numbering in the single-digit percent will complain they did not go further.

Well I work in the broadcast market, and I know what people want to broadcast UHD, and I also know what they only want a single workflow. UHD 30fps fits neither.

It's a case of expectations, I was expecting the UHD support to be broadcast industry standard, especially as this camera was aimed at both cinematographers (pre C series) and news gathering.

 

[FramerMCB]

I'm curious on the price. Canon is still selling (body only) 5D3 ($2300) and 6D ($1300), with the current 5D4 ($3300). 6D2 will probably be $1900 at launch?

Likely depends somewhat on specs we don't know about yet--AF especially. Maybe $2000 if they really design to cost, up to $2200 with more features. At this point it's a guess, but if the were really trying to keep the cost down I don't think they would be putting the tilty/flippy screen on it.

My best guess is that $ at launch will be within $200USD or less of the original 6D, no matter the feature set. Just look at the introductory pricing on all other replacement bodies in Canon's lineup. The 5D IV was either just less or even with what the 5D III was sold for (at least in the US). Similar to the 5DX I & II...

Plus the main targeted marketplace slot for this model suggests the price needs to be very close to the $2000 threshold. Pentax has helped us consumers out here in spades with the introduction/price-point of the K-1. (Not because they are in direct competition with Canon per se, but as more of an, "how much can be offered in a FF model for $$ vs $$$ or even $$$$?)

 

[wildwalker]

My best guess is that $ at launch will be within $200USD or less of the original 6D, no matter the feature set. Just look at the introductory pricing on all other replacement bodies in Canon's lineup. The 5D IV was either just less or even with what the 5D III was sold for (at least in the US). Similar to the 5DX I & II...

Yes but the 5DMk2 launched in the UK at £2000 and the 5DMk3 launched at £3000. Quite a difference.

I want to say the 6DMk2 will be £2000, but I think it will be closer to £2500, dropping to say £2100 in the first 12 months.

I of course hope I am completely wrong and it launches at £1800

 

[ahsanford]

That feeling you get when you were writing a great (and somewhat long) reply to this thread and accidentally X'd out the tab you were writing on while trying open a new tab to get more information for said post = sadness.

I've saved countless posts-in-progress by hitting 'back' in the browser, but nothing resurrects the killed tab.

RIP my great post
June 14, 2017 - June 14, 2017
It left us too soon :'(

- A

 

[wildwalker]

That feeling you get when you were writing a great (and somewhat long) reply to this thread and accidentally X'd out the tab you were writing on while trying open a new tab to get more information for said post = sadness.

I've saved countless posts-in-progress by hitting 'back' in the browser, but nothing resurrects the killed tab.

RIP my great post
June 14, 2017 - June 14, 2017
It left us too soon :'(

- A

does shift ctrl T or shift alt t not re open your tabs? (google open closed tabs)

 

[ahsanford]

That feeling you get when you were writing a great (and somewhat long) reply to this thread and accidentally X'd out the tab you were writing on while trying open a new tab to get more information for said post = sadness.

I've saved countless posts-in-progress by hitting 'back' in the browser, but nothing resurrects the killed tab.

RIP my great post
June 14, 2017 - June 14, 2017
It left us too soon :'(

- A

does shift ctrl T or shift alt t not re open your tabs? (google open closed tabs)

Mind. Blown. Post resurrected.

I love you, man

- A

 

[Loswr]

My best guess is that $ at launch will be within $200USD or less of the original 6D, no matter the feature set. Just look at the introductory pricing on all other replacement bodies in Canon's lineup. The 5D IV was either just less or even with what the 5D III was sold for (at least in the US). Similar to the 5DX I & II...

Yes but the 5DMk2 launched in the UK at £2000 and the 5DMk3 launched at £3000. Quite a difference.

I want to say the 6DMk2 will be £2000, but I think it will be closer to £2500, dropping to say £2100 in the first 12 months.

I of course hope I am completely wrong and it launches at £1800

The 5DIII was an atypically significant upgrade to most of the features of the 5DII, and the 5DIII launched not long before the 6D (the latter being a more direct replacement of the 5DII from a feature standpoint, and certainly Canon had the 6D features locked down when the 5DIII launched). If the 6DII gets a major performance boost (i.e., if it is similar to the 5DIII but with a new sensor), then expect a launch price much higher than the 6D. But if the 6DII is a 'typical' incremental update to the line, it will launch at or slightly less than the 6D's original price.

BTW, what's the 5DX? If you meant the 1D X and 1D X II, the latter launched at a price $800 less than the former (a 12% price drop, which applied to the 6D would mean an $1850 launch price for the 6DII).

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon Ehttp://www.canonrumors.com/OS 6D Mark II to Get New 26mp Sensor [CR3]

Buyers in the market for a FF rig are a mix of hobbyists, serious hobbyists, semi-pros, and pros. That said, their needs and desires cover a broad range in what they are looking for/need.

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The 6D Mk II will do the same. Only this time around, will also include the demographic of current 6D owners.

Appreciate the post. It's interesting to perceive the various buckets of folks who might buy a 6D2, and how it paints a picture of what they need:

• Canon people moving up from crop: as others have pointed out, moving from crop to FF in general is a very crowded field at present (6D1, 5D3, plus the newer 5D models). A nearly-5D4-good sensor for $2k will be the #1 driver for this camp.
  
  
• People moving up from 6D1: #1 concern is getting a better AF setup, but the tilty-flippy + DPAF aspect is a hallelujah moment for a lot of people there.
  
  
• People in the 5D/5DS camp: #1 driver will be a cheaper 2nd rig than another 5D rig without the IQ falling off a cliff, but the tilt-screen is bait for a portion of all shooters, it would appear. A number of FF shooters of all levels would love a tilty-flippy.
  
  
• People not shooting Canon today: I don't generally back up K's posts here, but they make a fair point on bang-for-buck on bodies in this product segment. People outside Canon have to reeeeeeeally want Canon color or the EF portfolio to stomach the less feature-per-dollar value proposition of Canon rigs in this market space. Between the hordes of Sony FF options, the D750 and K-1, there are other fish in the sea to consider if you aren't married to EF.

- A

 

[BillB]

The 6D Mk II will do the same. Only this time around, will also include the demographic of current 6D owners.

Certainly they're included, but I'm not convinced that Canon generally views current owners of the immediate predecessor as a major target market for a new dSLR. I suspect xxD owners will be the major target, and also 5DII owners (of which there are still many).

Your point seems generally true, but there may be a couple of factors that could lead to a higher than usual trade in rate for Canon equipment. The first is the implementation of dual pixel sensor technology with touchscreen focussing. (along with on sensor ADC). The other is the inclusion of the tilty/flippy screen. We'll see.