Canon EOS 6D Mark II to Get New 26mp Sensor [CR3]

[LonelyBoy]

You keep on whining repeatedly about 'nerfing'. Have you ever considered it is 'designing to a price'

No.

D750

51pt AF, 24mp, 6fps, dual slots, tilt screen


And please don't argue that Nikon is having financial issues because of how they specced the D750. They were losing money on other products and have operational efficiency issues. Search the web. They are going to focus more on cameras like the D750 that brings in the business because its a great value.

Million-dollar (or, I suppose, $1500) question: if the D750 is such an awesome camera, why aren't you buying one of those instead of complaining about Canon's offerings? Serious question.

 

[NancyP]

Well, what would spur a move from 6Dclassic to 6D2 would be significant changes in the sensor: increased dynamic range and decreased noise (6Dc is already a pretty good astrophotography sensor). 6 more MP is nice, but not compelling on its own. Tilt screen would be a plus for waist level or ground level shots. But it is true that I am fond of the 6D classic and not in the mind to change just for better AF. I shoot a lot of landscape and macro, and use Live View - manual focus about half of the time.

 

[Diko]

AWESOME!

 

[privatebydesign]

Why do we have this penchant for renaming anything that doesn't have a MkI badge as a 'Classic', or 'C'? I thought we broke that habit with the 1DC.

A 6D is a 6D, it isn't a 6Dc, a 5D is a 5D, not a 5D classic.

Maybe I am being a pedant, but I don't think so, a 1DC is a 4K capable 18MP 1 series, it is not a 4.2 MP camera that came out in the early 2000's. Same as rig and body, a camera rig is very different to a camera body. Just ask any shooter the difference between a magazine and a clip, they are two entirely different things that have entirely different meanings.

 

[Neutron_K]

Just one thought here about 6d2...

Canon "estimated" in press release that 5d4 will be costing $3599 USD starting from July as they will pre-install Canon log in new stock bodies (body only option?).

Based on the timeline, I am guessing that they would give whoever on the fence wondering which to buy a strong reason to choose 5d4 over 6d2 then.

At least a reason price gap should be estimated based on $3599 USD mark.

 

[Maiaibing]

Chances 6DII will get a better sensor than the 5DIV just like the 6D over the 5DIII sensor now increased a lot!!!

 

[rrcphoto]

Chances 6DII will get a better sensor than the 5DIV just like the 6D over the 5DIII sensor now increased a lot!!!

I doubt it

if you didn't notice the 77D,etc sensors were not as good as the 80D,etc.

there's no guarantee it "will be better".

 

[Maiaibing]

There was a much bigger/clearer feature-set differentiation going on with the 6D vs. 5D3 decision. I feel the 6D2 is shaping up to have a much stronger value proposition vs. the 5D4 than the 6D did vs. the 5D3.

Hence: tough decision. But that's not necessarily a bad thing for photographers.

6D had better sensor and centre focus point than the 5DIII. Cost was ~1.000 USD for the non-wifi version. Made the choice very easy for me. YMMV.

 

[rrcphoto]

If the burst rate hits 6fps, I hope that it has at least a 3 sec buffer.

If they finally go to UHS-2 cards, it should be able to keep up with a 6fps burst forever.... or at least until the card fills or battery drains.....

There's some controversy over this. The technology has been out a long time....adoption of it in cameras has been extremely slow. To the point that they still implement card tech that is for the most part obsolete.

Some cite that it is technical issues with reliability. The tech world has no issues with reliability. Could also impact battery life and other factors. I believe this is a legit concern. Given that even with already well established, decade-old tech occasionally these cameras run into card issues. Although, for that I would argue it is poor implementation and QA, not the tech itself.

I think the above is a part truth, part excuse. I think they don't mind dragging their feet on card technology - because fast cards means much faster buffer clearing, which then means longer continuous shooting and/or faster FPS.

When you start talking longer continuous shooting, people then start to pick on buffer size. It also challenges their cheap and easy ability to nerf/cripple cameras for segmentation. Which is the same as keeping FPS down. There's no doubt that certain cameras have shutter mechanisms and processors capable of a least 2-3 more FPS...but it is a choice to keep them down. You see what happens is, if they drop a UHS-II in there, people will then show how 2 different models of camera share the same shutter mechanism and processor they will naturally ask why is one faster than the other. They then have to admit they cripple the camera to separate them out.

you and your cripple stupidity.

UHS-I versus II depends on physical hardware. that MUST exist in DIGIC or it simply won't work.

 

[Maiaibing]

Chances 6DII will get a better sensor than the 5DIV just like the 6D over the 5DIII sensor now increased a lot!!!

I doubt it

if you didn't notice the 77D,etc sensors were not as good as the 80D,etc.

there's no guarantee it "will be better".

"Increased" "chances" do not imply a guarantee.

But a new Canon FF sensor almost always implies a better quality sensor (writing "almost" because I may be overlooking a contradictory example - but I do not recall any such example myself).

 

[Neutron_K]

6D had better sensor and centre focus point than the 5DIII. Cost was ~1.000 USD for the non-wifi version. Made the choice very easy for me. YMMV.

But they are planning to raise the price of 5D IV to $3599 in July in USA. Even now, MSRP is $3499.... I am certainly not sure 6D2 would provide "better value" or another reason to go 5D4.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/about/newsroom/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/20170420-C-Log/20170420-C-Log

 

[rrcphoto]

Chances 6DII will get a better sensor than the 5DIV just like the 6D over the 5DIII sensor now increased a lot!!!

I doubt it

if you didn't notice the 77D,etc sensors were not as good as the 80D,etc.

there's no guarantee it "will be better".

"Increased" "chances" do not imply a guarantee.

But a new Canon FF sensor almost always implies a better quality sensor

1DX II to 5DIV wasn't any better really - canon was most likely in transition when the 6D originally came out. it's highly unlikely you get anything better, just "different".

 

[ahsanford]

6D had better sensor and centre focus point than the 5DIII. Cost was ~1.000 USD for the non-wifi version. Made the choice very easy for me. YMMV.

Maiaibing, sure. The 6D1 had a lovely -3 EV center AF point, Wifi, interchangeable focus screens and a marginally better sensor than the 5D3.

But the 5D3 was simply a cut above the 6D1 just about everywhere else: video, AF system, fps, build quality, 100% VF coverage, max shutter speed, flash sync speed, grip/ergonomics/button layout, AF joystick, etc.

You can argue the 6D1 was a better value, certainly, but it's really hard to argue it's a better camera.

- A

 

[Loswr]

But they are planning to raise the price of 5D IV to $3599 in July in USA. Even now, MSRP is $3499.... I am certainly not sure 6D2 would provide "better value" or another reason to go 5D4.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/about/newsroom/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/20170420-C-Log/20170420-C-Log

No. They are going to offer a version of the 5DIV with the C-Log upgrade pre-installed, and the MSRP for that version will be $100 higher than the price of the standard version. The version without the C-Log upgrade will still be sold at the current price (and certainly at a much higher volume than the C-Log version).

 

[ahsanford]

Chances 6DII will get a better sensor than the 5DIV just like the 6D over the 5DIII sensor now increased a lot!!!

As for the 6D2 getting a better sensor than the 5D4, as others have pointed out, it's not a guarantee.

I'm not sure they'll put out a better sensor in the 6D2 than in the 5D4 just because a year has passed -- I think the major bump from the on-chip ADC conversion was the big delta and it already happened. So 6D1 --> 6D2 should see a really nice bump in performance, but I fail to see how the 6D2 blows past the 5D4 without a sensor 'first' that this market point probably doesn't warrant.

Also, to Canon, the 6D2 and 5D4 are 'same cycle' products that will overlap for 3-4 years, and I think there's a ton of (market) wisdom for Canon to see to it that the 5D4 has the slightly better sensor (overall, not just in resolution).

I could very well be wrong, of course, but I'd be stunned if the 6D2 blew past the 5D4 sensor in ant large/meaningful way.

- A

 

[bereninga]

I would expect the images from the 6DII sensor to have only slightly less noise than the 5DIV, just like the 6D to the 5DIII.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Why do we have this penchant for renaming anything that doesn't have a MkI badge as a 'Classic', or 'C'? I thought we broke that habit with the 1DC.

A 6D is a 6D, it isn't a 6Dc, a 5D is a 5D, not a 5D classic.

Maybe I am being a pedant, but I don't think so, a 1DC is a 4K capable 18MP 1 series, it is not a 4.2 MP camera that came out in the early 2000's. Same as rig and body, a camera rig is very different to a camera body. Just ask any shooter the difference between a magazine and a clip, they are two entirely different things that have entirely different meanings.

No, a few people get annoyed by it, but on the whole people understand the point. Because it allows for the much simpler reference to the concept of "the 1D class of cameras" as "1D". Usually it's quite clear from context what people mean, but pedants get annoyed.

I'm usually a pedant, so I don't mean that to be as derogatory as it sounds, but don't fool yourself into thinking most people "broke that habit".

 

[privatebydesign]

Why do we have this penchant for renaming anything that doesn't have a MkI badge as a 'Classic', or 'C'? I thought we broke that habit with the 1DC.

A 6D is a 6D, it isn't a 6Dc, a 5D is a 5D, not a 5D classic.

Maybe I am being a pedant, but I don't think so, a 1DC is a 4K capable 18MP 1 series, it is not a 4.2 MP camera that came out in the early 2000's. Same as rig and body, a camera rig is very different to a camera body. Just ask any shooter the difference between a magazine and a clip, they are two entirely different things that have entirely different meanings.

No, a few people get annoyed by it, but on the whole people understand the point. Because it allows for the much simpler reference to the concept of "the 1D class of cameras" as "1D". Usually it's quite clear from context what people mean, but pedants get annoyed.

I'm usually a pedant, so I don't mean that to be as derogatory as it sounds, but don't fool yourself into thinking most people "broke that habit".

Hmm, not sure I agree. "I am getting a 1D", "I am getting a 1DX", "I want a 1 series camera which should I get?", no need for a spurious 'C' or 'classic' and the different meanings of the two statements and a question are quite clear.

And why the conflation of 'bodies' and 'rigs'? A camera rig is a distinct thing that has a very different meaning to camera body yet more and more people clearly mean body when they say rig.

 

[timmy_650]

Chances 6DII will get a better sensor than the 5DIV just like the 6D over the 5DIII sensor now increased a lot!!!

As for the 6D2 getting a better sensor than the 5D4, as others have pointed out, it's not a guarantee.

I'm not sure they'll put out a better sensor in the 6D2 than in the 5D4 just because a year has passed -- I think the major bump from the on-chip ADC conversion was the big delta and it already happened. So 6D1 --> 6D2 should see a really nice bump in performance, but I fail to see how the 6D2 blows past the 5D4 without a sensor 'first' that this market point probably doesn't warrant.

Also, to Canon, the 6D2 and 5D4 are 'same cycle' products that will overlap for 3-4 years, and I think there's a ton of (market) wisdom for Canon to see to it that the 5D4 has the slightly better sensor (overall, not just in resolution).

I could very well be wrong, of course, but I'd be stunned if the 6D2 blew past the 5D4 sensor in any large/meaningful way.

- A

My guess is in "sharpness" the 5D will win bc of the 30mp but the 6D at 26mp i think it will have better low light performance. So some people will say the 6D will have better senor and others will say the 5D. I agree where we are at in senor tech it is hard to believe a senor will have any real world differences.

 

[Maiaibing]

6D had better sensor and centre focus point than the 5DIII. Cost was ~1.000 USD for the non-wifi version. Made the choice very easy for me. YMMV.

But they are planning to raise the price of 5D IV to $3599 in July in USA. Even now, MSRP is $3499.... I am certainly not sure 6D2 would provide "better value" or another reason to go 5D4.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/about/newsroom/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/20170420-C-Log/20170420-C-Log

Unsure what you are trying to say here?

People will have different needs and make different choices. To me IQ ranks as the top priority. So I choose a 6D over the 5DIII. YMMV.