Canon EOS 7D Mark II AF Issues

I do have my 7D2 since nov 1st. It is a great camera. I never faced any autofocus problems with one exception: my Sigma 1.4 85mm. But these kind of problems I do have on my 5D3 as well....


The 7D2 has the best autofocus I have ever seen!!! I shot in a hockey match 53 photos in a row from the first part until the goal @ 10 frames per second... All in focus. I have never ever seen a better autofocus performance!!!
 
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surapon said:
Dear Friends.
I got my 7D MK II, since 11/4/2014 and take the photos 6,000+ photos, And Never have any problem about All Auto Focus type issue. Yes, All of us who own 7D MK II must know how to use the difference types/ difference groups of AF( Group A to Group G). and set the speed/ Case of AL Servo/ Tracking Sensitivity.
If you do not set up the right function of AF, and AF do not work when you use----You have to blame your self, Not Blame Canon Company.
Sorry, I do not have Stock of Canon Company, But I buy Canon Photography equipment since 1965, But I have a lot of stocks at APPLE, But I do not use Product of Apple.
Have a great day, Sir/ Madame.
Surapon

Good day sir Mr Surapon sir :)

I received my first 7Dii on the 19/11/2014.

As I moved from the 9pt AF system of the 500D to the 65pt AF system, I expected a lot of learning from my side. In fact, I told myself that I will still be learning after a full year with the 7Dii.

Thing is that I'm not a totally inadequate photographer and was able to see performance issues with my 1st & 2nd 7Dii bodies, issues that Canon acknowledged.

My third body works better than the first two but it still does not deliver as expected. Certainly, the AF system should easily outperform that of a Rebel body, no?

I do suspect that perhaps only a 10% (thumb suck number) minority of 7Dii owners are having AF issues but I do suspect that if we were to look at birding photographers, that number may double.

Why do I say birding? Well, birds are generally smaller than cars, people, motorbikes etc. and let's not forget that the target area for any animal is the eye, which is small!

A question that can be taken from the above is, does the focus system handle large subjects better than it does for a target the size of a bird's eye?

Trust me, Canon can be wrong too

But I'm holding out major hope that the pending firmware update allows everyone access to the 7Dii's Magic :)
 
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aceflibble said:
I've seen enough people writing up about how their 7D2's AF seemed poor and Canon asked them to send it in and replaced the sensor and mirror, that I'm confident there is some kind of actual hardware fault with the 7D2 that, while it may not be present in every unit, has turned up in enough for it to be a more noticable problem than the usual quality control failures. If the 7D2 actually was mechanically sound and all the faults were simply down to either user error or a software or firmware error, Canon wouldn't be replacing all those sensors and mirror boxes.

That said, there are obviously a lot of 7D2 owners who have had no such problems and I don't recall any notable publications mentioning AF problems in their reviews. Seems to me like it's probably the kind of thing which affected one specific production run and Canon will say "if your camera's serial number is between [###] and [###], send it in."

The majority of successful repairs that I have seen here in forum posts, including mine, involved replacing the mirror box assembly which includes the Af sensor due to improper assembly. Somewhere along the way the improper mounting often damages it enough that it cannot be salvaged and must be replaced. The entire system must then be recalibrated.

I'm certain they are diligently working on the root cause and will issue some sort of official statement once it's figured out.

In the mean time if anyone suspects it's not working like it should, dont wait for the warranty to expire. Call them or email them and arrange for it to be looked at.
 
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For the most part my 7d2 nails the focus...but there are conditions where I can be shooting a runner in the face coming straight at me with single Point AF and it'll focus all the way down on the bottom right corner of the frame on the track itself (or a blade of grass) and probably 5 ft in front of the subject. It's like the predictive AF freaks out and it focuses on nearest subject (regardless of AF Point). There are also times were nothing is in focus at all like mentioned above. I also notice the sensor is very sensitive to blooming when overexposing.

Weird.

My 5D3 and 1D do not suffer any of these issues. If had the 7D2 since the day it was released.

I should mention that I returned my first 7D2 due to these types of issues within the first 2 weeks and got a replacement. The replacement seems to be much better, but the occasional unexplainable still happens.

Andrew
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It's been unclear from the responses if the problem is with the mounting of the mirror box or if the AF assembly was improperly mounted to it. I would think the latter as it would have the most impact to AF issues. A loose or improperly mounted mirror box could potentially just self destruct at some point.
 
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East Wind Photography said:
The majority of successful repairs that I have seen here in forum posts, including mine, involved replacing the mirror box assembly which includes the Af sensor due to improper assembly. Somewhere along the way the improper mounting often damages it enough that it cannot be salvaged and must be replaced. The entire system must then be recalibrated.

I'm certain they are diligently working on the root cause and will issue some sort of official statement once it's figured out.

In the mean time if anyone suspects it's not working like it should, dont wait for the warranty to expire. Call them or email them and arrange for it to be looked at.

I was actually surprised when I got my camera back and no hardware had been replaced. The "check and adjust focus" has definitely improved my situation though.

Certainly would recommend anyone that thinks they have an issue send it in for repair. I had originally planned to wait for the rumored firmware release but am glad I didn't as my camera works a million times better now.
 
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machx0r said:
East Wind Photography said:
The majority of successful repairs that I have seen here in forum posts, including mine, involved replacing the mirror box assembly which includes the Af sensor due to improper assembly. Somewhere along the way the improper mounting often damages it enough that it cannot be salvaged and must be replaced. The entire system must then be recalibrated.

I'm certain they are diligently working on the root cause and will issue some sort of official statement once it's figured out.

In the mean time if anyone suspects it's not working like it should, dont wait for the warranty to expire. Call them or email them and arrange for it to be looked at.

I was actually surprised when I got my camera back and no hardware had been replaced. The "check and adjust focus" has definitely improved my situation though.

Certainly would recommend anyone that thinks they have an issue send it in for repair. I had originally planned to wait for the rumored firmware release but am glad I didn't as my camera works a million times better now.

As I've mentioned in other forums, a lot of pros who buy those $10K super whites immediately send them back to canon for calibration and alignment check often before even using it for the first time. There are a lot of factors that could cause a lens or camera to get out of kilter either at the factory or on the slow boat from Japan. Generally a 2nd look over and test to verify it's calibrated and working like it should is not out of the question.
 
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rfdesigner said:
nutcaser said:
As far as being an embarrassment for Canon I doubt it will be.....

The "suites" made the decision to cut the quality control and send it out without checking the product, etc. Canon is the 800lb gorilla. Unlike companies like Sigma. They would probably just as soon get out of the entry level and enthusiast level of DSLR gear all together. Its about the bucks.

It will be a yield issue.

i.e. If lens type X has optics at one end of production limits and AF at the other coupled with a 7D with AF optics at another extreme and electronics with lowest tolerance bandwidth, then you get unstable operation or something.

Remember every part has a tolerance, just taking the two end limits means you have 2^n possible variations of just the body where n = number of parts, add in all the variation of all the lenses and it's a suprise issues like this don't happen more often.

Additionally the 5DIII 1DX and now 7DII have new precision AF compared to other bodies (not just more cross points)

Finding every last possible defective interaction before going to production is extremely difficult, normally most are found, but it looks like one's sneaked through, and the way forward for all their customers is a software patch if possible so Canon are doing the right thing.


Sorry, but this is smoke and mirrors stuff.

The camera is only required to do several things correctly. Auto focus is a huge one. To not get that right a very high percentage of the time is unacceptable. I have a Sigma 1.4, 50mm that is a bit challenging for my 7D to get right everytime. In general super fast lenses are challenging for the auto focus. When it doesnt get it right its still very close. Thats not the same thing as the camera completely malfunctioning in the regard to auto focus.

Automobiles have many complex computations and hand shaking that must occur between various processors and mechanical components. If a drive by wire engine control system would fail from time to time and the engine would stall this would be unacceptable. Sure, a camera malfunction will not kill someone, but does that make it acceptable?
 
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LSXPhotog said:
Oh, and the comment above about 15% of the shots just being a blur, you're right. Not that 15% of mine turn out like that, but when the camera doesn't nail focus, the whole image just seems cloudy. Looking for the focal plane along the ground and I can't find it at all on a subject several feet away from me. Where is the focal plane? It seems like the whole image is just slightly out somehow?

YES! Cloudy is the word I was looking for. I have the same issue where there is apparently no focal plane on about 15% of the shots.

I had heard the AF was the big improvement with this camera, and I'm going to keep tinkering and see if I can figure it out, but right now the AF has been a downgrade from even the T2i I was using.
 
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Another related thing to consider is 3rd party lenses and firmware compatibly. I know my Tamron 150-600 does not like my 5D3 much at all. REquires a firmware upgrade at the factory to make it work consistently with that body. Without it, it pauses on occasion and will not Even focus search. I haven't had a chance to send it in. Oddly enough, it works great on my 7D2 (albeit, with a bit of AF Microfocus adjustment).
 
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MichaelHodges said:
The 7D was plagued with this as well. Ever since I've completely steered clear of Canon's crop cameras. My ff's do not have these issues.

My own anecdotal personal experience with a 70D (crop) has been awesome. Focus tracking is top notch as it just hits frame after frame after frame. A few months with a 6D and while I can say I love the low light sensitivity of the center point and in one shot it is accurate and consistent, ai servo leaves very much to be desired. So I'm not sure I'd make the generalized statement that all crops are bad because you had a bad experience with one model. Wouldn't you agree?
 
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On my 7D Mark II, the center 25 points in any position, and all points in landscape seem to work well. The one issue I'm having is when using the side 20 points on either side while the camera is in portrait. This is in AI servo with focus priority and all Canon lenses. In that configuration I'm getting about 20-30% out of focus.
 
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I'll share my experience. I got the 7DMII about three weeks ago. I took my body back for exchange this past Wednesday.

For the two weeks that I had the first body, the photos shot on one-shot, indoors, ISO < 800, or on a tripod were "fairly" sharp. I was a bit annoyed that I didn't get the usual clarity in my cat and dog pictures (normally I can see sharp light reflection in the eyes when I hit the correct DoF and focus) , and I wasn't seeing that and didn't find the images very impressive. I didn't buy this camera for portraiture though so I didn't really inspect the images pixel-level.

I bought it to shoot outdoors with my dogs and to get nature shots (birds, flowers, wildlife...) as my old camera just couldn't keep up with the running pups and it took a *lot* of setup and frustration to get even two or three BIF photos. When I tested this thing on my pups at 10fps... I didn't get a single one in focus. Case 1... Case 2... didn't matter. Every one of them looked like someone had smeared petroleum jelly on my lenses. On all my lenses. I tried every single setting in the book. I tried various MFA techniques. I was practically ready to start ritual sacrifice of oats and grains to any god that might listen to my plight.

After looking deeply and carefully at every image I took, I realized *none* of them were in focus. At all. Even the ones I thought were sharp when I first took the images had signs of vibration. Even images shot at 1/2000+ with F5.6-F11 on bright days with low ISO were out of focus. It was most notable in specular reflections. The only thing that I could think of was that the sensor was physically moving while the shutter was being triggered, or I was just that bad with this camera.

I took the body back to the store on Tuesday and asked if I could get a replacement. I showed them my outdoor shots, and they looked skeptical, claiming not to see a problem. But they said that they'd reserve one for me. There was this nagging voice inside my head that said: "its just your ignorance, not the camera." and I felt like a heel for complaining about something that was likely my own fault. I came back on Wednesday and talked to the guy that originally sold me the camera (he wasn't there the previous day). I took the new body and put my old lens on it (just to keep things scientific) and went outside for some shots. I had to prove to myself that it wasn't just *me* and that I wasn't wasting the dealer's time.

I took the photos, came back in, and pulled up the images on my MBP in Adobe Camera Raw... and they were razor freaking sharp. I started giggling hysterically in relief, practically crying and thanking the guy profusely.

Since the exchange I've successfully caught birds in flight at the kind of shutter speeds I'm used to from my old camera (10D), but now with 10fps I can actually get a series instead of just one or two before the bird's out of range. This weekend I plan on photographing the pups as they run around.

I'm glad Canon is admitting the problem. If they can come up with a firmware that really does improve the quality of focus, that would be awesome. I've not tested it on the new body, but some of the AF points really don't lock well enough for my taste in AF servo. I'm used to reacquiring though, so its not *that* big a deal, especially considering how fast reacquisition is on this thing. I tend to start center point and move from there. As for the other points, the locks don't always select the subject that I like. That's probably where canon can make the most improvement in their firmware and software.

I am hoping that things stay working well. This camera is an amazing camera. :)
 
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My story with the 7d mkii sounds like pvalpha experience. But i cant send my camera in because im a photography student and need my camera every day. I mostly use one shoot AF. Really hope that a firmware can help with this problem, otherwise im gonna be bald from pulling my hair of in frustrations.
 
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Lee Jay said:
On my 7D Mark II, the center 25 points in any position, and all points in landscape seem to work well. The one issue I'm having is when using the side 20 points on either side while the camera is in portrait. This is in AI servo with focus priority and all Canon lenses. In that configuration I'm getting about 20-30% out of focus.
AI servo in focus priority is my main area of concern too, shooting sports. Have sent the camera in to Canon and waiting for the response.
For those who say their 7Dii is performing perfectly, that's great, but don't assume the rest of us are imagening things or have no idea how to properly utilise the camera's AF system. I have had many years experience with film cameras, the 5D classic and the 5Diii in the sorts of conditions I am using the 7Dii without any problems. I don't use third party lenses. In summary, the results we are reporting really just emphasise that some copies are fine, others are not. Canon have essentially admitted there is a problem, so lets see what it is and then see how they will resolve it.
 
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