Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

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<p><strong>Where will the EOS 7D fit?

</strong>Some mentions about who the EOS 7D Mark II is going to be marketed too. It’s suggested the camera will be “firmly” aimed at the nature and sports market. The 10fps feature we and others have been told about is a big part of the plan. The camera will also get some technologies from the EOS-1D X, like the AF system and noise performance. While it may not have 61 focus points, the performance could be on par.</p>
<p>A different megapixel count of 21mp has also been mentioned. There’s a good chance various configurations of test cameras exist.</p>
<p><strong>Source: [<a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_7dmk2.html" target="_blank">NL</a>]</strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[surfing_geek]

I get the feeling that this means it's going to be vastly more expensive than the 7D was at release!

 

[PackLight]

I could have made this rumor up. In fact I think I did when the 1D X was released.

 

[StepBack]

I don't think Canon will let us nail the price. What would be the drama? Unless they want to make a lottery out of it. Guess the price within a penny and win a UV filter. I heard 1999 - 2099 and with say a 39-45 pt AF with one dual cross type and the rest of the makeup the same that would be right. Apparently they regard the sensor size as the symbol of excellence and not the dual DiGIC's. Were they to try to sell a top shelf APS-C and I'm dreaming here because no one knows what the suits in marketing drink at the median between the 6D and 5D III I think the stores would be sitting on inventory until Black Friday. I don't care what they say in the trades about the 5D3 sales I don't see much noise online so I'm guessing the push from the resellers is an indication they pegged the Mark III too high. I'll bet they don't learn anything either. How about a nice mirrorless with a full frame and a dozen light weight (under 8 oz.) lenses to choose from for say 1499 including a 24 F.2. People would grab that and never look back.

 

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

The more new Canon products that get released at stratospheric prices makes the release of the 40mm pancake all the more amazing. I don't think that I have heard anyone say that it is overpriced, and they are clearly selling like hotcakes. A few more products like that would help to engender a lot of good will for Canon. Good value for the money: what a novel concept!

I am not the intended market for the 7D MKII at all. I run my 60D in high speed mode only when I am shooting bracketed photos handheld. I just wish my 5DII had the same option. I am more of a deliberate shooter.

 

[PerfectSavage]

It's not going to be aimed solely at sports and nature, it is going to be what it is today - the flagship APS-C camera in the Canon lineup - only better - regardless of what you typically shoot. The 60D is a really nice camera but it isn't a 7D nor was it ever intended to be. I've beat the hell out of two 7Ds, one of which I got the month it was launched and they're tanks. IMO, they're slightly more solid than the 5D2 build/sealing wise.

A 7D2 addressing the noise at higher ISOs is going to fly off the shelves. The AF is fantastic on the current 7D, so even a marginal improvement on a 7D2 would be all gravy. Of course it will be more money...at least for the first 8 months, just like every other camera that has been introduced. I'm not in the market for another APS-C right now, so whether it's $1,600 or $2,600 doesn't really matter to me. I AM in the market to replace a 5D2 that has been dropped one too many times, so will continue to watch the 5D3 pricing (though concerned about the repeatedly reported softness in the 5D3 video also experienced in the 6D). Lots of new cameras in the market and competition is good, let the competition do what it will to pricing. I just don't understand the trolls that complain every time a new version of anything (camera, lens, tripod) comes out with a price increase...especially the ones that aren't in the market anyway. If you can't afford it, then buy a different camera; it's like complaining to Mercedes every time a new C class comes out with more features but a higher price... go buy a Honda or Toyota already, both great cars. If your Nissan Altima only has 17,000 miles on it and it's just two years old, why are you looking at new car prices anyway?

 

[Lee Jay]

f/8 AF, flexible video crop, 5D AF system, low read noise. That would be perfect.

 

[preppyak]

It's not going to be aimed solely at sports and nature, it is going to be what it is today - the flagship APS-C camera in the Canon lineup - only better - regardless of what you typically shoot. The 60D is a really nice camera but it isn't a 7D nor was it ever intended to be.

And the 60D will be going the way of the dodo according to the rumor

"The current 7D will continue for some time and surplant the 60D, when the 700D comes along with increased specifications."

Which means there is room for a higher level (and pricier) 7DII, costing a similar price as the 6D, but aiming at a different market. Then they'd have a nice sports/nature camera for $2k, a nice landscape/portrait camera for $2k, and a nice street/wedding/etc camera for $3k. And if you can't afford those, the 700D is <$1k, and the current 7D will probably drop a few hundred bucks and be in the $12-1300 range (which is where the 60D retails)

 

[unfocused]

It's not going to be aimed solely at sports and nature, it is going to be what it is today - the flagship APS-C camera in the Canon lineup - only better - regardless of what you typically shoot.

Yes. The 5DIII is optimized for wedding photographers, but that doesn't make it useless for others. I can see a 7DII optimized for sports and nature, but still a very good all-around camera.

This is shrewd marketing on the part of Canon and one reason why they continue to remain the industry leader. The D800 is a very nice camera, but it doesn't have a core constituency that must have it. The 5DIII on the other hand, is a must for wedding photographers because it gives them a competitive edge. That allows Canon a solid foundation of customers that they can build on. That doesn't make the 5DIII any less of a camera even if you never go near a wedding.

I can see a 7DII that becomes the must have camera for sports and nature shooters, but at 21mp with improvements in noise and dynamic range, it will be a great camera even if the only birds you are interested in come from Colonel Sanders.

 

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

I wonder about the articulating screen? I was personally disappointed when the MKIII did not employ it (I find it very handy on my 60D in many situations, not the least of which being low angle tripod shots). It was that feature that tipped me towards the 60D instead of the 7D. After using it for nearly two years, I still don't regret my decision. Regarding the screen: they have been employing it regularly on the Rebel series, but so far the 60D has been the only step-up model to employ it.

The 60D seemed to be an attempt to create a new market below the 7D but above the Rebel series, and from what I understand has actually sold very well and continues to be a very popular model. The rumor that it is going to be ditched without a successor is curious to me, as it will leave Canon without a APS-C model essentially between $1000 and probably close to $2000 (other than continuing to offer the 7D MKI) and also remove a strong seller from Canon's lineup.

 

[PackLight]

There is a reason this rumor can't be real.
It makes to much sense.

Who would have believed a year berfor the 1D X was announced that the 1Ds IV would not happen?

I did hear the rumor once that there would be no 1Ds IV but the rumor just didn't make sense. Why would Canon make an all in one camera?

When the 1D X was released, now a super charged 7D II makes sense for us wildlife photographers. But how many releases has Canon had in the past year or so that made sense.

I am hoping for a 7D II with the AF abilities of a1D Body and a supercharged sensor. Built to those supercharged specs $3 to $4 K would be the norm and I would buy one.

But, I wish I had won the lottery on Wednesday night to, and I think the odds are just as good. Maybe Canon will come through this time.

 

[bbasiaga]

I'm thinking this could be $2499 body only. Better AF, new sensor with lower noise, 10fps....doesn't sound cheap based on Canon's current pricing history.

-Brian

 

[crasher8]

Cue the APS-H posts

 

[preppyak]

The rumor that it is going to be ditched without a successor is curious to me, as it will leave Canon without a APS-C model essentially between $1000 and probably close to $2000 (other than continuing to offer the 7D MKI) and also remove a strong seller from Canon's lineup.

Makes sense to me. Canon lot a lot of sales that would have been 7D sales to the 60D, and since it has its own body style, AF system, etc, it's another line of manufacturing they have to keep open. To continue that legacy, they'd have to devote resources to either updating the 7D1 with a swivel screen, etc; or to putting the 7D AF and some features into the older 60D body. Both are more expensive than just continuing to manufacture the current 7D, drop the price a little, and still leave most of those 60D users happy. And if not, well, the T4i is basically what the 60D used to be and has the swivel screen.

I say this all as a 60D user who is happy with my purchase, but, I'd gladly trade the swivel screen for the weather-sealing, AFMA, and frame rate of the 7D at the same price as the 60D sold for

 

[shadowsatnight]

Noise performance similar to the 1D X, with more pixels. That'd be impressive on a smaller sensor.

 

[DonHorne]

My first thought is Canon is looking to plug the missing role the 1D series had with it's APS-H sensor giving sports & wildlife shooters that little extra reach. I wouldn't doubt that performance would be on par with the 1DX at lower ISO's since the 7DII will have newer technology just like when the 40D came out after the 5DC.

 

[ScottyP]

--The camera will also get some technologies from the EOS-1D X, like the AF system and noise performance. [/quote][/b]

Is that even remotely possible? Are they saying the same ISO performance, or does this just suggest there will be some improvement in ISO performance? That would not just be a new sports body, that would be a revolution in Canon's (or anyone else's) crop sensors that would ripple out through the whole line.

I hope it does mean at least 1 full stop improvement. Two would be utterly amazing.

 

[Lee Jay]

--The camera will also get some technologies from the EOS-1D X, like the AF system and noise performance.
Is that even remotely possible?

Sure, since it probably means the low read noise of the 1Dx compared to the other cameras Canon makes.

 

[Zlatko]

A 7D2 addressing the noise at higher ISOs is going to fly off the shelves. The AF is fantastic on the current 7D, so even a marginal improvement on a 7D2 would be all gravy. Of course it will be more money...at least for the first 8 months, just like every other camera that has been introduced. I'm not in the market for another APS-C right now, so whether it's $1,600 or $2,600 doesn't really matter to me. I AM in the market to replace a 5D2 that has been dropped one too many times, so will continue to watch the 5D3 pricing (though concerned about the repeatedly reported softness in the 5D3 video also experienced in the 6D). Lots of new cameras in the market and competition is good, let the competition do what it will to pricing. I just don't understand the trolls that complain every time a new version of anything (camera, lens, tripod) comes out with a price increase...especially the ones that aren't in the market anyway.

This is a good point about price. It seems that the prices of all electronics are on a slope over time. They are introduced at higher price. As time goes by, the price comes down. When they are due for replacement, the price is at its lowest. It's the same whether we are talking about cameras or televisions or computers.

So when the replacement product is introduced, its price is being compared to the price of the product that is being discontinued — a price that has been on a downward slope for several years. Canon gets bashed for the price of the 5DIII, which has many upgrades over the 5DII. At the same time, Canon gets no love for lowering the price of the 5DII to the cheapest it's ever been. When we talk about Canon's "astronomical prices", we should consider that the 5DII was $2,700 and is now $1,800 brand new, or something like $1,400 refurb. This is just part of the normal product cycle. If people are astonished by the $2,100 price of the 6D, they can wait and probably buy it for $1,800 or even $1,500 as time goes by.

Those who need to pre-order the 7DII, or buy it in the first 9 months, will no doubt pay the highest price. But there is something rational about this too. For those who need it most and soonest, the product has a higher value. They are willing to pay more than those who need it less or later. This is variable pricing, a way that manufacturer's charge different prices to different customers. As the price falls, it meets different budgets and triggers different customers to buy.

 

[surfing_geek]

I'm thinking this could be $2499 body only. Better AF, new sensor with lower noise, 10fps....doesn't sound cheap based on Canon's current pricing history.

-Brian

i wouldn't object to this if it was offered at a proportionate price over here. Unfortunately, if something's usually $2499, it doesn't usually translate to £1600. Try closer to £2000!


I'm really hoping this doesn't crank the price up too much, rather deciding to keep it's position as a prosumer APS-C, affordable to the average consumer like me! I've been hankering after something like this for ages, I really don't want to be out-priced!