Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed

[x-vision]

There were a lot of us, however, who were hoping the 7D II would give us an indication that Canon has been pushing the envelope regarding their overall sensor IQ.

+1000

That's exactly why the 7DII is disappointing.
Yes, the specs are fantastic.
But out of the gate, the image quality is already lagging behind the competition.

And this is Canon's flagship 1.6x camera - with expected shelf-life of 3-5 years.
The image quality of this camera is already unexciting in 2014. Imagine in 2019 ??

 

[Lee Jay]

The 70D offers absolutely no improvement in image quality over the T2i. It's the same flippin sensor, just using new technologies to squeeze a .001% image quality improvement out of it.

Well, the T2i has a maximum ISO of 6400, the 70D 12,800 and apparently the 7DII is 16,000. Looking at the test images from the 70D, I'd say it's better than the T2i. I'm not sure it's a whole stop, but it's better. Presumably, this one will be up to 1/3 of a stop better than that.

BTW, I have a T2i.

 

[x-vision]

Sensor, sensor, sensor. I still hope they managed to make it better, but I won´t upgrade in something what´s already years old, to use it for another 4-6 years. Not a chance.

+1000

 

[Perio]

"New 65-point AF, all points cross-type"

This is sweet

 

[joejohnbear]

+10bajallionthousand /s

Go shoot with a D7100 or a D400 and stfu. The 7D still is the best aps-c camera with a decent lens system for field sports. They don't have a competitor on the market with LENSES to match. The D7100 is basically a 70D. The D400 hasn't been released for a while. When the D400 comes out, THEN let's talk instead of bitching and moaning.

There were a lot of us, however, who were hoping the 7D II would give us an indication that Canon has been pushing the envelope regarding their overall sensor IQ.

+1000

That's exactly why the 7DII is disappointing.
Yes, the specs are fantastic.
But out of the gate, the image quality is already lagging behind the competition.

And this is Canon's flagship 1.6x camera - with expected shelf-life of 3-5 years.
The image quality of this camera is already unexciting in 2014. Imagine in 2019 ??

 

[Don Haines]

everyone believes the rumour where it says the sensor size is 20.2 megapixels
nobody believes the rumour where it says that it is not the same sensor as the 70D

and people are already condemning it, sight unseen.

Closed minds and pre-judgement.... way to go people! Try waiting for a week for a real announcement and facts before you go off on a hissy fit.....

 

[ULFULFSEN]

There were a lot of us, however, who were hoping the 7D II would give us an indication that Canon has been pushing the envelope regarding their overall sensor IQ.

+1000

That's exactly why the 7DII is disappointing.
Yes, the specs are fantastic.
But out of the gate, the image quality is already lagging behind the competition.

And this is Canon's flagship 1.6x camera - with expected shelf-life of 3-5 years.
The image quality of this camera is already unexciting in 2014. Imagine in 2019 ??

and no 4k video. ;(

even when someone don´t need 4K video yet, most people who know what they are doing will love the ability to downsample to full hd.

and all the years it was rumored to be THE VIDEO DSLR. ???

people complained that canon focuses too much on video.
and now.. video looks like it´s unimportant for canon.
sensor probably the same as 70D, all they really do is pushing the AF performance.

 

[Lee Jay]

sensor probably the same as 70D, all they really do is pushing the AF performance.

And frame rate (still and video), and build quality, and providing a head-phone jack, and probably other things we don't know about yet. Of course, you're losing the T/S LCD, the touch screen and WiFi.

 

[FEBS]

I'm going to disagree.

That's the thing...I shoot wildlife/sports/action photography. I use a T2i right now when I'm shooting with a crop. Know why? My glass is all Canon. If it wasn't for that I'd have switched. The 70D offers absolutely no improvement in image quality over the T2i. It's the same flippin sensor, just using new technologies to squeeze a .001% image quality improvement out of it. Now this is coming out with the SAME F'ING SENSOR. The sensor is about 80% of the reason you'd buy a camera, once you choose your subject matter. The 7Dii is going to be a glorified T2i. Same old ancient sensor technology, with a few useless bells & whistles, none of which get down to the root: THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS. It's the same mediocre sensor, just rehashed. This is why they're starting to, or will continue to lose market share to other companies. Absolutely insane that it took a half decade to refresh, and it's basically going to be the exact same camera with the exact same sensor, just with a tiiiiny bit extra squeezed out of that sensor. Absolute garbage. I can't tell you how pissed off I am right now.

Don't let me laugh. The reason you bought a T2i as a camera for wildlife/sports/action photography is for sure NOT the sensor. Be honest, it was the price.

What a thought that the sensor would be 80% responsible for the purchase of such a camera. If sensor quality would be that important to you, then you would have bought a 1-series. Nothing else. What a bullsh_t you are telling here. And what about the 5D3 sensor? No progress made?

As a wildlife/sports/action photographer you are not interested in those fps, 65 crosspoints AF, f8, ... ? You really make me laugh man, don't call yourself a action photographer if you are only interested in the highest quality sensor.

If you have that good Canon glass that you can't change, then simple do buy a 1Dx and stop complaining and stop telling such a nonsense !!!

 

[Steve]

Absolute garbage. I can't tell you how pissed off I am right now.

Rock it. Love the passion.

Seriously though, maybe look into a used 1DIV. Better sensor plus all the frame bursts and autofocusers you could ever want. Its like the 7DII that was released 5 years ago!

 

[Don Haines]

THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS.

DPAF

 

[ULFULFSEN]

THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS.

DPAF

done by others before. phase af on sensor i mean.
ok that´s maybe a bit unfair as those hybrid AF´s are different.

but i don´t see much of a benefit of DPAF yet to be honest.

that could be a thing the 7D MK2 pushes a big step forward.

 

[joejohnbear]

Hah, spot on, FEBS.

I used to have a personal t2i that I'd use alongside a D300 for sports, and I call bullshit on Accipter's claim as well that he shoots wildlife/sports/action on it. Sold that shit and upgraded as soon as I could afford it. If you ACTUALLY shot SERIOUS SPORTS, then you're going to know that AUTOFOCUS TRUMPS DR in any fucking argument. Have no money? Sell the t2i and get a 1d mk ii n and stop your bitching and moaning. Buy the 1dx otherwise if you're that "invested," which I doubt you are. If you have a 55-250 or a 70-200 f/4, go, SWITCH TO NIKON and stop your moaning. Can't afford their 70-200 f/4 VR? Boofuckinghoo. Entitled git.

I'm going to disagree.

That's the thing...I shoot wildlife/sports/action photography. I use a T2i right now when I'm shooting with a crop. Know why? My glass is all Canon. If it wasn't for that I'd have switched. The 70D offers absolutely no improvement in image quality over the T2i. It's the same flippin sensor, just using new technologies to squeeze a .001% image quality improvement out of it. Now this is coming out with the SAME F'ING SENSOR. The sensor is about 80% of the reason you'd buy a camera, once you choose your subject matter. The 7Dii is going to be a glorified T2i. Same old ancient sensor technology, with a few useless bells & whistles, none of which get down to the root: THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS. It's the same mediocre sensor, just rehashed. This is why they're starting to, or will continue to lose market share to other companies. Absolutely insane that it took a half decade to refresh, and it's basically going to be the exact same camera with the exact same sensor, just with a tiiiiny bit extra squeezed out of that sensor. Absolute garbage. I can't tell you how pissed off I am right now.

Don't let me laugh. The reason you bought a T2i as a camera for wildlife/sports/action photography is for sure NOT the sensor. Be honest, it was the price.

What a thought that the sensor would be 80% responsible for the purchase of such a camera. If sensor quality would be that important to you, then you would have bought a 1-series. Nothing else. What a bullsh_t you are telling here. And what about the 5D3 sensor? No progress made?

As a wildlife/sports/action photographer you are not interested in those fps, 65 crosspoints AF, f8, ... ? You really make me laugh man, don't call yourself a action photographer if you are only interested in the highest quality sensor.

If you have that good Canon glass that you can't change, then simple do buy a 1Dx and stop complaining and stop telling such a nonsense !!!

 

[Loswr]

THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS.

DPAF

done by others before. phase af on sensor i mean.
ok that´s maybe a bit unfair as those hybrid AF´s are different.

but i don´t see much of a benefit of DPAF yet to be honest.

that could be a thing the 7D MK2 pushes a big step forward.

If you're going to go from thread to thread posting the same uninformed opinion, you're going to get the same response.

canon is not about invention. these times are long gone .

and no... on sensor PDAF was not first in a canon.

No, it wasn't. But...do you understand the fundamental differences between on-sensor PDAF and dual-pixel AF?

The former requires some areas of the image sensor to be dedicated to PDAF, meaning those areas must be filled in by interpolation from neighboring pixels. Of necessity, those on-sensor PDAF points are limited in number.

DPAF uses every pixel covering 80% of the image sensor, no image data are lost, no interpolation is required, and on that 20 MP sensor you have 16 million AF points.

The 'lack of innovation' is a DRone war cry. What they really mean is that Canon hasn't developed the specific thing they are asking for, the myriad of other innovations don't count for anything. Doesn't matter that only a tiny minority of people are asking for that feature, if it's not the specific feature they want, Canon isn't innovating. Sheesh.

 

[ULFULFSEN]

THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS.

DPAF

done by others before. phase af on sensor i mean.
ok that´s maybe a bit unfair as those hybrid AF´s are different.

but i don´t see much of a benefit of DPAF yet to be honest.

that could be a thing the 7D MK2 pushes a big step forward.

If you're going to go from thread to thread posting the same uninformed opinion, you're going to get the same response.

canon is not about invention. these times are long gone .

and no... on sensor PDAF was not first in a canon.

No, it wasn't. But...do you understand the fundamental differences between on-sensor PDAF and dual-pixel AF?

The former requires some areas of the image sensor to be dedicated to PDAF, meaning those areas must be filled in by interpolation from neighboring pixels. Of necessity, those on-sensor PDAF points are limited in number.

DPAF uses every pixel covering 80% of the image sensor, no image data are lost, no interpolation is required, and on that 20 MP sensor you have 16 million AF points.

The 'lack of innovation' is a DRone war cry. What they really mean is that Canon hasn't developed the specific thing they are asking for, the myriad of other innovations don't count for anything. Doesn't matter that only a tiny minority of people are asking for that feature, if it's not the specific feature they want, Canon isn't innovating. Sheesh.

save you breath i know that..
.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-70d/canon-70dDUAL_PIXEL_AF.HTM

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/02/27/canon-dual-pixel-cmos-af-autofocus-secrets-of-the-canon-70d-explained

 

[Steve]

Hah, spot on, FEBS.

I used to have a personal t2i that I'd use alongside a D300 for sports, and I call bullshit on Accipter's claim as well that he shoots wildlife/sports/action on it. Sold that S___ and upgraded as soon as I could afford it. If you ACTUALLY shot SERIOUS SPORTS, then you're going to know that AUTOFOCUS TRUMPS DR in any F______ argument. Have no money? Sell the t2i and get a 1d mk ii n and stop your bitching and moaning. Buy the 1dx otherwise if you're that "invested," which I doubt you are. If you have a 55-250 or a 70-200 f/4, go, SWITCH TO NIKON and stop your moaning. Can't afford their 70-200 f/4 VR? Boofuckinghoo. Entitled git.

Bro. Take it down like a half dozen notches. Jesus.

 

[sagittariansrock]

everyone believes the rumour where it says the sensor size is 20.2 megapixels
nobody believes the rumour where it says that it is not the same sensor as the 70D

and people are already condemning it, sight unseen.

Closed minds and pre-judgement.... way to go people! Try waiting for a week for a real announcement and facts before you go off on a hissy fit.....

It's not a matter of having a closed mind. It's a simple matter of logic. It is completely illogical for them to create another 20.2mp sensor, if they have moved to a radically different fabrication process. Smaller transistors would allow them to do so much more with a much higher resolution sensor. It just makes no sense.

The other rumor was still just that...a rumor. Was it even more than a CR1? We have real specs now...and the specs say 20.2mp. The real specs do not mention it's new...just that it's 20.2mp. Canon already has a 20.2mp sensor. Canon also has a long history of reusing sensors...over....and over.......and over.........AND OVER.................AAAAAAAND OOOOOOVEEERRRR. AND OVER! Can anyone say 18mp? Say it ten times fast. Over and over and over.

So, logically...if I had to give the two options a ranking, 99% chance it's the 70D sensor....1% chance it's something brand spankin new on a shiny new 180nm process. :'( Canon's a recycler. Historically, given what we really do KNOW, they like to reuse their sensors until they are so old and shriveled and dried up that people can't stand them anymore. Why would they stop that practice now, when it's so thoroughly ingrained, and of course, cheaper?

Until a literal fact smacks me upside the head and says: Canon designed a brand spankin new sensor from the ground up on 180nm technology. Well, I'm just going to stick with what logic is able to deduce at the moment. 8)

Ok, I have a question. If you are so sure it will be the same 70D sensor, what are you willing to do if you're wrong?
Some suggestions:
1. Limit every post for 1 year to 100 words.
2. Not use emoticons more than once at a time, not use capitals unless grammar requires it.
3. Post a deep sky astro photo twice every week.
4. Have the word DRone instead of POTATO in your signature, and explain why you have POTATO in your signature.
I would have offered something in exchange, but I am not certain either way (old sensor or new) and I like waiting a couple of days to find out rather than speculating when I have no data.
Cheers

 

[sagittariansrock]

Hah, spot on, FEBS.

I used to have a personal t2i that I'd use alongside a D300 for sports, and I call bullshit on Accipter's claim as well that he shoots wildlife/sports/action on it. Sold that S___ and upgraded as soon as I could afford it. If you ACTUALLY shot SERIOUS SPORTS, then you're going to know that AUTOFOCUS TRUMPS DR in any F______ argument. Have no money? Sell the t2i and get a 1d mk ii n and stop your bitching and moaning. Buy the 1dx otherwise if you're that "invested," which I doubt you are. If you have a 55-250 or a 70-200 f/4, go, SWITCH TO NIKON and stop your moaning. Can't afford their 70-200 f/4 VR? Boofuckinghoo. Entitled git.

I'm going to disagree.

That's the thing...I shoot wildlife/sports/action photography. I use a T2i right now when I'm shooting with a crop. Know why? My glass is all Canon. If it wasn't for that I'd have switched. The 70D offers absolutely no improvement in image quality over the T2i. It's the same flippin sensor, just using new technologies to squeeze a .001% image quality improvement out of it. Now this is coming out with the SAME F'ING SENSOR. The sensor is about 80% of the reason you'd buy a camera, once you choose your subject matter. The 7Dii is going to be a glorified T2i. Same old ancient sensor technology, with a few useless bells & whistles, none of which get down to the root: THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS. It's the same mediocre sensor, just rehashed. This is why they're starting to, or will continue to lose market share to other companies. Absolutely insane that it took a half decade to refresh, and it's basically going to be the exact same camera with the exact same sensor, just with a tiiiiny bit extra squeezed out of that sensor. Absolute garbage. I can't tell you how pissed off I am right now.

Don't let me laugh. The reason you bought a T2i as a camera for wildlife/sports/action photography is for sure NOT the sensor. Be honest, it was the price.

What a thought that the sensor would be 80% responsible for the purchase of such a camera. If sensor quality would be that important to you, then you would have bought a 1-series. Nothing else. What a bullsh_t you are telling here. And what about the 5D3 sensor? No progress made?

As a wildlife/sports/action photographer you are not interested in those fps, 65 crosspoints AF, f8, ... ? You really make me laugh man, don't call yourself a action photographer if you are only interested in the highest quality sensor.

If you have that good Canon glass that you can't change, then simple do buy a 1Dx and stop complaining and stop telling such a nonsense !!!

Ha! I don't agree with some of the points above (and pretty much any of the points Acci made, but all these posts made me break a chuckle.
Love the passion!

 

[AccipiterQ]

I'm going to disagree.

That's the thing...I shoot wildlife/sports/action photography. I use a T2i right now when I'm shooting with a crop. Know why? My glass is all Canon. If it wasn't for that I'd have switched. The 70D offers absolutely no improvement in image quality over the T2i. It's the same flippin sensor, just using new technologies to squeeze a .001% image quality improvement out of it. Now this is coming out with the SAME F'ING SENSOR. The sensor is about 80% of the reason you'd buy a camera, once you choose your subject matter. The 7Dii is going to be a glorified T2i. Same old ancient sensor technology, with a few useless bells & whistles, none of which get down to the root: THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS. It's the same mediocre sensor, just rehashed. This is why they're starting to, or will continue to lose market share to other companies. Absolutely insane that it took a half decade to refresh, and it's basically going to be the exact same camera with the exact same sensor, just with a tiiiiny bit extra squeezed out of that sensor. Absolute garbage. I can't tell you how pissed off I am right now.

Don't let me laugh. The reason you bought a T2i as a camera for wildlife/sports/action photography is for sure NOT the sensor. Be honest, it was the price.

What a thought that the sensor would be 80% responsible for the purchase of such a camera. If sensor quality would be that important to you, then you would have bought a 1-series. Nothing else. What a bullsh_t you are telling here. And what about the 5D3 sensor? No progress made?

As a wildlife/sports/action photographer you are not interested in those fps, 65 crosspoints AF, f8, ... ? You really make me laugh man, don't call yourself a action photographer if you are only interested in the highest quality sensor.

If you have that good Canon glass that you can't change, then simple do buy a 1Dx and stop complaining and stop telling such a nonsense !!!

I bought the T2i several years ago when I first needed a crop and wanted to cut my teeth. The 5D3 isn't a crop, it's FF.

 

[Don Haines]

everyone believes the rumour where it says the sensor size is 20.2 megapixels
nobody believes the rumour where it says that it is not the same sensor as the 70D

and people are already condemning it, sight unseen.

Closed minds and pre-judgement.... way to go people! Try waiting for a week for a real announcement and facts before you go off on a hissy fit.....

It's not a matter of having a closed mind. It's a simple matter of logic. It is completely illogical for them to create another 20.2mp sensor, if they have moved to a radically different fabrication process. Smaller transistors would allow them to do so much more with a much higher resolution sensor. It just makes no sense.

The other rumor was still just that...a rumor. Was it even more than a CR1? We have real specs now...and the specs say 20.2mp. The real specs do not mention it's new...just that it's 20.2mp. Canon already has a 20.2mp sensor. Canon also has a long history of reusing sensors...over....and over.......and over.........AND OVER.................AAAAAAAND OOOOOOVEEERRRR. AND OVER! Can anyone say 18mp? Say it ten times fast. Over and over and over.

So, logically...if I had to give the two options a ranking, 99% chance it's the 70D sensor....1% chance it's something brand spankin new on a shiny new 180nm process. :'( Canon's a recycler. Historically, given what we really do KNOW, they like to reuse their sensors until they are so old and shriveled and dried up that people can't stand them anymore. Why would they stop that practice now, when it's so thoroughly ingrained, and of course, cheaper?

Until a literal fact smacks me upside the head and says: Canon designed a brand spankin new sensor from the ground up on 180nm technology. Well, I'm just going to stick with what logic is able to deduce at the moment. 8)

Agreed.... Canon does recycle... and that's what has me wondering....

If they really are recycling from the 70D, why didn't they take the WiFi and touchscreen? It means more parts to stock and more software to write and support....

We still don't know what process the 70D was made on.... but if it was on the 180nm line it is feasible that round one was to make and debug the photodiodes/microlenses and it is possible that round 2 might be to move over the A/D logic... it is possible that it might be a radically different sensor beneath the photodiodes.... we just don't know.

Personally, I am not willing to bet one way or the other.... particularly since there is only a week to wait. I am patient and besides, the birds are starting to migrate and the trees are starting to turn colour.... I can amuse myself while I wait