Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]

[jolyonralph]

As a 7dmk2 shooter, I genuinely wouldn't care if the 7dmk3 didn't shoot video at all.

Well, I hardly ever shoot video, but I wouldn't buy a new DSLR now unless it did 4K, simply because I need to know the feature is there in case I need it.

Also. Number of people who won't buy the 7D III if it does 4K video = 0 Number of people who won't buy the 7D III if it doesn't do 4K video > 0

 

[tomscott]

Many of you seem to forget that the 7D was the go to video camera for a huge amount of people when it was released.

It was only the third camera in canons range at the time with a video feature. First 5DMKII (which originally had no manual override until the firmware) then the 500D then the 7D. What split the 7D apart was the fact it was significantly cheaper than the 5DMKII and the 550d had no manual control.

For many it was the video camera of choice. 1080 30 720 60 with a large sensor, sounds normal now but back then it was a huge deal to shoot video with the amazing EF lens line up. Especially when this was almost half the price of the 5DMKII and it had more frame rate options. It was also the first to have a dedicated video switch... making it really easy to switch over.

I believe that a DSLR is the wrong tool for videography, but it is compelling to have that option in one device.

I for one was a video nay sayer, I very rarely used it... Until when I went traveling for a year. I bought my GF a 70D and she had no experience of using a DSLR period, (I did help along the way but she found her own feet really) stuck it in auto and she got some incredible footage with it, actually mind blowing. Although I am a professional photographer and use DSLRs for that reason, looking over her footage is compelling and reminds me much more of our travels than the stills do. Puts you right back in the moment.

Looking back after a safari etc friends and fellow travelers wanted to see what had happened during and I could only really show them a still whereas the gf had the whole thing recorded so you can watch it second by second. It puts, not only you back in the moment but gives others a snapshot of the experience too.

Dont get me wrong I got images of a lifetime during the trip but the video just brings it all to life.

People who underestimate the video features are missing out IMO. Photography is a dieing trade and everyone wants video. I used to work for a newspaper and when I left (about 3 years ago) you were expected to shoot images and video for web articles etc.

My main interest outside of my profession is wildlife and I have a 7DMKII and love it. The one disapointing feature is you have DPAF and no touch screen to control it just seems ridiculous. Picking up the 6DMKII or 70D with the rotating touch screen IMO is a revelation for any photographer whether your a seasoned pro or a beginner.

The 6DMKII is by no means the best camera on earth but has changed the way I shoot. My gf has inspired me to shoot more video. Some of the wildlife footage she got took me right back to the moment, tugs on the heartstrings as a media more so than the still images. Video conveys something different entirely, I love shooting video for wildlife because you get a sense of the movement that a photograph doesn't convey. Especially when you can put 400+mm lenses on the camera, gives you an amazing range to use.

I am more than happy for canon to add what ever features they can. As a modern photographer you cant really turn your nose up at the direction of media and needs of people.

One thing people should never be afraid of is to learn.

I dont care who you are or how long you have been shooting for there is always room to learn. A lot of the seasoned posters here seem to be so stuck in their ways and have the "Im a stills shooter i dont need video, i dont care about video". Pretty narrow minded if you ask me and your missing out on an incredible way to convey your passions or subject to others.

Therefore I would be happy for canon to ditch the non touch screen, and add a rotating screen. Ive been a pro for over 10 years using everything from the top level cameras down to the XXD range. In my experience tilt screens dont really make the camera more vulnerable. As a professional and the cost they are to buy if it did break I would buy another or have it repaired not an issue to me. Its usability is far more useful.

That said I do miss the controls of the XD bodies with the cameras that have a rotating screen. So I would be happy to compromise with a screen like the M5.

If they do go down the 4K route I would like to see a better file format over the 5DMKIV.

Otherwise im really excited for this new body.

 

[weixing]

Hi,
As a 7D2 owner, I'll consider upgrade to 7D3 if 2 of 3 below is true:
1) got 100% crop video (1080p or 4K)
2) improve and more consistent AF with more F8 points
3) at least 1.5 stop of high ISO (>= 1600) improvement

Have a nice day.

 

[slclick]

I don't have any memory problems with the specs of the 7D, what I know after owning it and being surrounded by many who did and then subsequently bought the Mk 2 was it was the top crop servo body. Not the go to for video. Once again, there's a stigma out there for buying a video body, even if that's a cameras primary use. These master of none bodies offer too many compromises.

 

[unfocused]

...I do miss the controls of the XD bodies with the cameras that have a rotating screen...

This is my only objection to moving screens. I am spoiled by the configuration of the 7D;5D and even 1D bodies and don't want to sacrifice the rear body real estate for a moving screen. Having a touch screen is a no-brainer in my opinion and should have been included in the 1DXII or added as a firmware upgrade.

The question of durability is a non-issue. The hinge on the XXD bodies is very robust. There is zero evidence that the integrity of the body is compromised; it actually makes weather sealing better because the rear screen is separate from the body; the screen can be inset into the body for additional protection when not flipped out and should the flip screen be damaged, it's much easier to replace than an integrated screen.

 

[goldenhusky]

I am really looking forward for this camera. I almost bought the 7D2 so many times and every single time I convinced my self otherwise saying poor DR, high ISO noise, no touch screen instead I bought the 80D, used it for birding and enjoyed it thoroughly. At this point I am fairly confident the 7D3 will fix all the 3 above and probably improve on the AF system. Being Canon and a dedicated non Cine video line is being rumored I have no hope for 4k even if they did I bet they will take the 4096*2160 30fps from the middle like they did on 5D4 and probably offer MJPEG. 1 CF and 1 SD UHS 1 card .

Here is what I am expecting on 7D3
24 MP
12fps
~50 RAW bursts
Better Autofocus system than 7D2 it could be same number of AF points but improved AF
1 CF card and 1 SD UHS-1 card anything more is a bonus
1080p 60fps
GPS
Dual pixel AF
Touch screen
WiFi
New battery grip

If Canon offered anything more than this I would be pleasantly surprised. After all I have to be Canon realistic

Below specs are less likely to make it but possible
4k30fps (4096*2160) MJPEG from the middle of the sensor if at all they offered 4K
Better DR than 80D
Better high ISO noise performance than 80D
Better metering system
Bluetooth
NFC
Articulated touch screen

Below is very less likely
Full sensor 4K30fps
1080p120fps
CFast2.0
SD UHS ll
H.265 video codec

 

[transpo1]

I am really looking forward for this camera. I almost bought the 7D2 so many times and every single time I convinced my self otherwise saying poor DR, high ISO noise, no touch screen instead I bought the 80D, used it for birding and enjoyed it thoroughly. At this point I am fairly confident the 7D3 will fix all the 3 above and probably improve on the AF system. Being Canon and a dedicated non Cine video line is being rumored I have no hope for 4k even if they did I bet they will take the 4096*2160 30fps from the middle like they did on 5D4 and probably offer MJPEG. 1 CF and 1 SD UHS 1 card .

Here is what I am expecting on 7D3
24 MP
12fps
~50 RAW bursts
Better Autofocus system than 7D2 it could be same number of AF points but improved AF
1 CF card and 1 SD UHS-1 card anything more is a bonus
1080p 60fps
GPS
Dual pixel AF
Touch screen
WiFi
New battery grip

If Canon offered anything more than this I would be pleasantly surprised. After all I have to be Canon realistic

Below specs are less likely to make it but possible
4k30fps (4096*2160) MJPEG from the middle of the sensor if at all they offered 4K
Better DR than 80D
Better high ISO noise performance than 80D
Better metering system
Bluetooth
NFC
Articulated touch screen

Below is very less likely
Full sensor 4K30fps
1080p120fps
CFast2.0
SD UHS ll
H.265 video codec

“Canon Realistic” 8) I love it.

 

[AvTvM]

so typical Canon: new cameras already NERFED at rumour stage. ;D

luckily i don't care at all about mirrorslappers and any sort of video capture. Canon will get money from me once they bring a worthwhile FF MILC system. Until then ... yawn.

 

[ahsanford]

so typical Canon: new cameras already NERFED at rumour stage. ;D

luckily i don't care at all about mirrorslappers and any sort of video capture. Canon will get money from me once they bring a worthwhile FF MILC system. Until then ... yawn.

...yet here you are.

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

so typical Canon: new cameras already NERFED at rumour stage. ;D

luckily i don't care at all about mirrorslappers and any sort of video capture. Canon will get money from me once they bring a worthwhile FF MILC system. Until then ... yawn.

Can you tell us the long list of 3:2 and 4:3 sensors from other manufacturers don't crop to get a 16:9 aspect ratio?

 

[goldenhusky]

so typical Canon: new cameras already NERFED at rumour stage. ;D

luckily i don't care at all about mirrorslappers and any sort of video capture. Canon will get money from me once they bring a worthwhile FF MILC system. Until then ... yawn.

I hear you but I would like to share a whole different experience with the best mirror less full fame camera out there. I recently acquired a EOS M5 (I already had the EF to EF-M adapter so no intention to buy any EF-M lenses) but changed my mind and bought a EF-M 18-55 (thinking this combo would be good for my 5 year old to take pictures) and tried to take a picture of artificial flowers with vase in a dimly lit room. M5 would not focus at all. I had the flash and focus assist light turned on and the focus assist lamp would come on but the camera would not focus at all. I thought the lens was bad so I tried a EF-S 18-135 with adapter (known good combo) even that would not focus. So I brought my 5D4 and Sigma 24-105 Art combo down, sure enough that focused properly. I increased the f number to f8 and still 5D4 focused. Then I decided to do the test with my Sony A9 and 24-240 and followed by Batis 85mm. The moment of truth, Sony A9 was not able to acquire focus at all. I started to think that the mirror slappers still have their edge when it comes to low light auto focus. Later I tried 5D4 with various Canon EF lens combos, all focused properly. I did not try the Dual pixel auto focus but thinking of doing an extensive low light AF capability test with all these cameras.

 

[Graphic.Artifacts]

Haven't used my 7D2 much since the improved f8 focusing of Canon's full frames rolled out. For my purposes that has effectively negated the crop advantage to the point where I no longer bother shooting crop. I just crank up the extender to 1.4 or 2x and have found the IQ to be as good or better than the 7D2. I'd only consider a 7D3 if it offered compelling AF performance across the frame at f8.

As far as video goes, not sure what Canon could or would do that's going to please anybody who might really care about that. The DSLR is fundamentally unsuited as a platform for video. The video quality of my 1DX2 is objectively very good but I still wouldn't want to shoot video with it on a regular basis. There are much better solutions out there if you are serious about 4K video.

If it's something that you just want to play at the Canon DSLR's are fine for 2K and workable in 4K if you're willing to live with Canon's workflow constraints. If not just get a real video camera. EF mount compatible cameras are getting more affordable by the day. Don't understand the endless whining and melodrama around this issue. Move on.

Relative to the true cost of producing high quality video the camera is a modest expense. Just get a tool designed for that job and stop insisting that every new Canon stills camera has to be the holy grail for video. That camera is not coming this year or next year and likely never will be.

 

[Otara]

The only worry I have is if they have like the 7D2, where the highest framerate didnt work with DPAF.

Im not a great videographer, just want to be able to take short clips. If anything the crop would be desirable to me, in that Im more focussed on reach than DOF. Focus peaking and crop options are what Ive enjoyed on my 200d/m5, and seeing some of these things in one camera would be nice, if unlikely.

 

[goldenhusky]

Haven't used my 7D2 much since the improved f8 focusing of Canon's full frames rolled out. For my purposes that has effectively negated the crop advantage to the point where I no longer bother shooting crop. I just crank up the extender to 1.4 or 2x and have found the IQ to be as good or better than the 7D2. I'd only consider a 7D3 if it offered compelling AF performance across the frame at f8.

Agree with you on that. I am also lately using 5D4 with 1.4x ll on the 600 f/4. I always wanted to do an image quality comparison with 5D4 + 600mm + 1.4x ll Vs 80d + 600mm. So far I haven't got a chance to do that but I am happy with the results I get out of my 5D4 + 600mm + 1.4x ll combo

The DSLR is fundamentally unsuited as a platform for video.

True except for the fact Canon created the DSLR video market and still they have the best touch screen implementation and dual pixel auto focus which is the best auto focus in any video camera out there

If not just get a real video camera. EF mount compatible cameras are getting more affordable by the day. Don't understand the endless whining and melodrama around this issue. Move on.

By real video camera you mean cameras like the Cine line of cameras, Panasonic AU-EVA1, etc? The problem with that is those camera are not affordable for the masses.

Relative to the true cost of producing high quality video the camera is a modest expense.

not necessarily people do not spend tens of thousands of dollars to post a video in youtube

Just get a tool designed for that job and stop insisting that every new Canon stills camera has to be the holy grail for video. That camera is not coming this year or next year and likely never will be.

The problem here is canon created the DSLR video market and showed people what can be accomplished in a DSLR. Now they are not willing to offer any of those when competitors are offering way more than Canon when it comes to video hence the whining and crying. Now you might say if competitors are offering better options then why not switch over. It is a long story, I had posted a page long post here so I will not repeat the summary is

Lens collection
Quality of equipment
Support and service
so many 3rd party lenses, flashes and accessories, etc..
For wildlife and sports there is no option beyond Canon and Nikon.
For a hobbyist like me who shoot video once in a while it is not really an option to invest thousands of $$ in Cine line of cameras. Rather hybrid camera from Canon with EF mount is better since I can use all my lenses. I wanted 4k and high frame rate.
Another perspective I got from one of the person who had worked in the media industry for long is they can carry one camera and get stills and video whenever it deemed necessary. With the online articles video is becoming more and more popular to be fair there are not a lot of 4 k videos on online articles but since every other competitor at this point is offering 4k video people expecting that from Canon as well.

Here is the link to my post (rant) http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=34057.msg698706#msg698706

 

[transpo1]

Haven't used my 7D2 much since the improved f8 focusing of Canon's full frames rolled out. For my purposes that has effectively negated the crop advantage to the point where I no longer bother shooting crop. I just crank up the extender to 1.4 or 2x and have found the IQ to be as good or better than the 7D2. I'd only consider a 7D3 if it offered compelling AF performance across the frame at f8.

Agree with you on that. I am also lately using 5D4 with 1.4x ll on the 600 f/4. I always wanted to do an image quality comparison with 5D4 + 600mm + 1.4x ll Vs 80d + 600mm. So far I haven't got a chance to do that but I am happy with the results I get out of my 5D4 + 600mm + 1.4x ll combo

The DSLR is fundamentally unsuited as a platform for video.

True except for the fact Canon created the DSLR video market and still they have the best touch screen implementation and dual pixel auto focus which is the best auto focus in any video camera out there

If not just get a real video camera. EF mount compatible cameras are getting more affordable by the day. Don't understand the endless whining and melodrama around this issue. Move on.

By real video camera you mean cameras like the Cine line of cameras, Panasonic AU-EVA1, etc? The problem with that is those camera are not affordable for the masses.

Relative to the true cost of producing high quality video the camera is a modest expense.

not necessarily people do not spend tens of thousands of dollars to post a video in youtube

Just get a tool designed for that job and stop insisting that every new Canon stills camera has to be the holy grail for video. That camera is not coming this year or next year and likely never will be.

The problem here is canon created the DSLR video market and showed people what can be accomplished in a DSLR. Now they are not willing to offer any of those when competitors are offering way more than Canon when it comes to video hence the whining and crying. Now you might say if competitors are offering better options then why not switch over. It is a long story, I had posted a page long post here so I will not repeat the summary is

Lens collection
Quality of equipment
Support and service
so many 3rd party lenses, flashes and accessories, etc..
For wildlife and sports there is no option beyond Canon and Nikon.
For a hobbyist like me who shoot video once in a while it is not really an option to invest thousands of $$ in Cine line of cameras. Rather hybrid camera from Canon with EF mount is better since I can use all my lenses. I wanted 4k and high frame rate.
Another perspective I got from one of the person who had worked in the media industry for long is they can carry one camera and get stills and video whenever it deemed necessary. With the online articles video is becoming more and more popular to be fair there are not a lot of 4 k videos on online articles but since every other competitor at this point is offering 4k video people expecting that from Canon as well.

Here is the link to my post (rant) http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=34057.msg698706#msg698706

You have a point 8)

In the end, all the “whining and complaining” is about the hybrid shooter, and since there is so much of it (and since Sony is selling a decent amount of their FF MILCs), one can assume that there is money to be made from this segment.

 

[Ah-Keong]

In addition to the numbers (minus the weight) that would add to the specifications.

I hope they add red squares to the viewfinder AF like the 1DX2.

:

 

[Cthulhu]

There's that and there's the fact that the 7d line already takes a beating from the competition in stills anyway.

I would love to read your data on that. Honestly. Does it exist? Or are we projecting how 'things must be' based on the D500 spec sheet?

(I don't say that snarkily, I honestly would love to see some data. I'm curious how it is selling.)

- A

I don't know what you're getting at here. Seems you're talking about sales and I'm stating the competing flagship apsc cameras beat the pants off the 7d2 in stills. I don't know who buys more of each and quite frankly I don't care since I'm only going to use the one I have.

 

[Aussie shooter]

There's that and there's the fact that the 7d line already takes a beating from the competition in stills anyway.

I would love to read your data on that. Honestly. Does it exist? Or are we projecting how 'things must be' based on the D500 spec sheet?

(I don't say that snarkily, I honestly would love to see some data. I'm curious how it is selling.)

- A

I don't know what you're getting at here. Seems you're talking about sales and I'm stating the competing flagship apsc cameras beat the pants off the 7d2 in stills. I don't know who buys more of each and quite frankly I don't care since I'm only going to use the one I have.

I spent 10 days in Svalbard I July. Much of it standing and shooting next to a funny as hell Irish fella who just happened to be shooting a D500 as opposed to me with a lowly 7D2. I had a close look at many of his photos. They were not better than mine. As a matter of fact I probably got more quality keepers than he did although we both got plenty of good shots. His camera did not magically make his photos better than mine. He must feel ripped off the poor fella

 

[Cthulhu]

I have yet to meet anyone who sought an iteration of the 7D, past or future, as a video rig. Sports, birding, wildlife, other action ...yes.

Possibly continuing the trend to broaden its appeal to parents of teenage athletes/performers. I doubt that crowd wants to carry a separate 4K video rig. For that market, it doesn't have to be pro-quality 4K, but just good enough.

https://vimeo.com/9978386

National Geographic video, original 7d. It used to be quite popular for that among people looking for durability or on a budget, like the student crowd.

 

[Cthulhu]

There's that and there's the fact that the 7d line already takes a beating from the competition in stills anyway.

I would love to read your data on that. Honestly. Does it exist? Or are we projecting how 'things must be' based on the D500 spec sheet?

(I don't say that snarkily, I honestly would love to see some data. I'm curious how it is selling.)

- A

I don't know what you're getting at here. Seems you're talking about sales and I'm stating the competing flagship apsc cameras beat the pants off the 7d2 in stills. I don't know who buys more of each and quite frankly I don't care since I'm only going to use the one I have.

I spent 10 days in Svalbard I July. Much of it standing and shooting next to a funny as hell Irish fella who just happened to be shooting a D500 as opposed to me with a lowly 7D2. I had a close look at many of his photos. They were not better than mine. As a matter of fact I probably got more quality keepers than he did although we both got plenty of good shots. His camera did not magically make his photos better than mine. He must feel ripped off the poor fella

That's not saying much. I shoot a 1dx2 for work and I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who'd have better keepers than mine with a 5d2, doesn't change the fact that the 1dx2 is objectively a better camera.