Canon EOS M10 at Canon Store

[Don Haines]

This camera isn't designed for 90% of people on this forum which equate to probably <10% of sales.
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Get a grip people stop panicking.

Nobody is panicking. Except Canon really should be with offerings like these at the prices they want to charge for them. ;D

I disagree with your first sentence. I believe ppeople like us here on this forum account for 90% of Canon's (imaging gear) revenue. All those happy snappers could purchase boatloads of 199,- dwarf-sensor cameras, but they don't any longer. And most of them will not buy M10's at 699

I read somewhere that 95 percent of Canon's DSLR sales was rebels, and of those sales, very few people ever bought another lens. When they announced sales of their 100 millionth EOS camera, the sales of EOS lenses was at 130 million.... factor in kits with two lenses and that seems to agree....

The M10 is not aimed at higher end users, it is aimed at the P/S crowd that they are afraid they will loose to smartphones....

 

[Tinky]

"What’s more, the EOS M10 is compatible with all EF-M lenses, which feature an AF+MF mode"

what's that supposed to mean? Is the M10 not compatible with all EF-M lenses [5 by now, including new 15-45]? Does any of those 5 lenses not feature an AF-MF mode? Or is Canon referring to new, yet to be announced "AF-only" EF-M lenses?

Confused ???

I think the second comma is key. Without it the reading may be that it only works with select lenses, with it, it reads, to me at least, as all ef-m lenses have AF+MF mode.. they are all STM as well, these two points may well be related.

In practice I rarely use the AF-MF function.. the mf ring is so narrow, and unless you have magic lantern installed or zebra as standard (M3), accurate focus with the screen is a little tricky.

I have two x M1's. 1 dedicated for video with ML, one for stills without.

 

[Loswr]

"What’s more, the EOS M10 is compatible with all EF-M lenses, which feature an AF+MF mode"

what's that supposed to mean? Is the M10 not compatible with all EF-M lenses [5 by now, including new 15-45]? Does any of those 5 lenses not feature an AF-MF mode? Or is Canon referring to new, yet to be announced "AF-only" EF-M lenses?

Confused ???

You stopped reading too early.

What’s more, the EOS M10 is compatible with all EF-M lenses, which feature an AF+MF mode that lets you easily combine the speed of autofocus with the creative flourish possible with manual focus.

They're highlighting the creative potential the focus mode, such as it is...

 

[Deleted member 7828]

Was somewhat excited until I saw the price. $600?? Isn't the M3 going for $680 or something? Not much of a price gap there (considering the feature sets), something doesn't look right. I would have expected $500, perhaps $550 max.

Edit: Nevermind, went to the Canon store and it seems like $680 is actually the body only price for the M3. Kitted with the 18-55 it's actually 800. (!) Seems like there's a slight discount on it now though so it's now $579. So...I suppose $600 for the M10/15-45 isn't so out of line after all. Still - IMHO, a bit high. Will the M10 be available body-only as well?

 

[Khufu]

Does anyone have any experience with these recent 18mp sensors? I'm just wondering if they are identical to the old 7D I sensor, or if there have been improvements.

Canon managed to keep tweaking these things for better results, with the 7D actually being considered the "least good", and the Hybrid AF II is much improved! It's been used in e SL1/100D but NOT the 700D or which ever model was announced at the same time, and it's in the EOS M2 and I love it they're your two cameras with this Sensor so far, if you want to look further into its performance!

 

[MrFotoFool]

No viewfinder is disappointing. Not that I plan to replace the original M as my point and shoot, which I got with 22 pancake lens for $250 during the aforementioned fire sale. Maybe if this body is lighter than M (I assume it is) and it was available body only for $200 I might consider it.

 

[Nininini]

The M10 is not aimed at higher end users, it is aimed at the P/S crowd that they are afraid they will loose to smartphones....

That would make sense if it was $400, but it's $600, more expensive than a Sony A6000, that's more than people using P&S are willing to spend.

And plenty of P&S nowadays have a viewfinder and mode dial, this does not.

I mean, for crying out loud, my $300 Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ71 P&S has a mode dial and viewfinder.

Canon didn't have any $1 plastic dials laying around to put on this $600 camera? Jesus.

And the funniest thing is, with f/6.3 at the long end for the kit lens...there are actually several P&S that will gather more light, even with a smaller sensor.

 

[Sibir Lupus]

At $600 it's more expensive than a Sony A6000 which is $500 on Amazon right now.

And even with it's higher price, the Canon doesn't have a viewfinder, doesn't have a hotshoe, it has a slower kit lens, and only has 18MP.

Sorry, but what is Canon thinking?

Actually the Sony A6000 with 16-55mm lens on amazon is $648 right now and only because Sony is offering a $150 discount on them at the moment. Retail is $799. The M3 with 18-55mm lens is $699 on Amazon right now which usually retails for $799. So the M10 with 15-45mm lens being $600 retail isn't a big deal as it will most likely drop by $100 within 2 months of release to help get more people on board with the EF-M system.

 

[MickDK]

"Legendary Image Quality" - man, that gave me a good laugh

 

[Sibir Lupus]

Hmm, the M10 looks like a nice beginner M but in some ways isn't as good as the M2. $600 retail price is okay as it will most likely drop soon after release on sites like Amazon. I'll snatch up one of those 15-45mm lenses once they hit $250 .

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

"Legendary Image Quality" - man, that gave me a good laugh

When you compare the image quality of T2i, with the APS-C cameras available in 2010, one can say that this was legendary. : Obviously, an identical sensor (improved) does not seem a big deal in 2015. :-X

 

[AvTvM]

@Tinky & Neuro: thanks for the clarification. So M10 can AF+MF with all current EF-M lenses.

To me MF is irrelevant, never use it. given the choice i'd actually prefer pure AF lenses, especially if in exchange for a focus ring they were a bit more compact, more sturdy, better wheathersraled and mower price ... Or same price if Canon would use the funds to ginally bring a kick-ass M4 with decent AF.

 

[eninja]

I was excited about Canon having a new mirrorless model, but now that I take a closer look, I am not as excited. It looks like the M10 is more of a consumer offering than pro-sumer. No mode dial, no hotshoe; the M3 has both of those features. I'm not sure what the point of the M10 is, unless it's supposed to be a a basic inexpensive entry-level mirrorless model.

I believe its about doing business, when you do business you want to get all tyoes of big market, cutting unneccessary things will bring bigger profit plus quality to the target consumers. Then you say, genious Canon. While doing this, maximize resources. No need to R&D from scratch. its a money maker.

 

[Deleted member 375103]

I found the link of the M10 on the canon store, but the price was unavailable, and there were some missing images on the page. Was it placed on the store too soon?

I just hope its under $500, any price above it won't look great at all.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

The image quality is great I'm sure. But "legendary"?

Holy crap.

The 5div iq must surely be "of ancient lore" when it comes out.

And the next 1D's is will be "fabled".

Sorry. Canon's copy writer made me giggle.

 

[HaroldC3]

I found the link of the M10 on the canon store, but the price was unavailable, and there were some missing images on the page. Was it placed on the store too soon?

I just hope its under $500, any price above it won't look great at all.

Price looks to be $599 with the new kit lens.

 

[lw]

If Canon UK, stick to their usual pricing strategy of late then the M10 kit will launch at around $599/1.5+20%VAT = £479

With the M3 kit currently available in stores at £449, then there is a distinct possibility that the 'entry level' M10 will cost at least the same or even more than the M3

That may be OK when newer models bring newer features that even an existing but higher level model lacks, but in this case it seems there are none.

Also, given Canon UK have still not released a body only version of the M3 it also seems likely that in the UK if you want a M3 with a 15-45 lens, then you will have to buy the M3+18-55 kit and then buy the 15-45 on top :

 

[SeppOz]

Bit Curious about the autofocus system. Specs at the start state:
M10: Hybrid CMOS AF II ... measures up to 49 different points
M2: Hybrid CMOS AF II 31 points
100D: Hybrid CMOS AF II; one review says 31 points, but not sure if this is true.
M3: Hybrid CMOS AF III 49 points (2EV min though - others have 1EV)
While this is not the sort of camera I would buy (as I already have the other Ms), I am curious if Canon has improved the AF system compared to earlier models.

 

[jasny]

Bit Curious about the autofocus system. Specs at the start state:
M10: Hybrid CMOS AF II ... measures up to 49 different points
M2: Hybrid CMOS AF II 31 points
100D: Hybrid CMOS AF II; one review says 31 points, but not sure if this is true.
M3: Hybrid CMOS AF III 49 points (2EV min though - others have 1EV)
While this is not the sort of camera I would buy (as I already have the other Ms), I am curious if Canon has improved the AF system compared to earlier models.

DiGIC 6 (M3, M10) can calculate AF for more points than DiGIC 5 (M, M2 , 100D).

 

[Radiating]

At $600 it's more expensive than a Sony A6000 which is $500 on Amazon right now.

And even with it's higher price, the Canon doesn't have a viewfinder, doesn't have a hotshoe, it has a slower kit lens, and only has 18MP.

Sorry, but what is Canon thinking?

A camera that you can buy for $400 with kit lens on sale likely.