Canon EOS R5 firmware update [CR2]

You’re the one implying the R5II will be only a firmware update, and if you really believe that, then it’s clear who is confused here.

Actually, that’s clear from just scrolling down your posts on this page.
You are mixing hardware and firmware.
The CR post is about firmware. NOT hardware. Im not confused at all. The only new active electronic component for image processing in the R5II will be the sensor. Nothing more. Everything else is identical. There is nothing else. Cameras have plateud. Period. There is no new hardware invented.
 
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I think we are still a way off from having portable firmware components from one camera migrated over to another. The R5's code was developed for the R5's hardware. The R3 and R6ii's hardware is slightly different and I suspect that it's not a simple "copy over to the R5" situation that we would all like.
When i bought my R8 and R6ii, the slightly newer AF system was one of it's big interests to me. I could easily have bought and R5, but I felt that the differences in AF functions between my R8 and an R5 would be annoying. I like my two camera bodies to be identical or very similar.

For me, the perfect camera would have been a 45mp R6ii. The R6ii is close enough and I'm really enjoying shooting with it.

I'll look forwards to trialling the R5ii when ever it comes along and is readily available.
Actually no. Camera manufacturers have been copying code from its high end series to low end models for decades. You simply modify the code appropriately. Nothing a good firmware engineer coudn't do during a few shifts. Firmware code and algorithms are routine shared between platforms. No different than any electronic device. Engineers don't write code from scratch if they don't need to. That's a rule of coding. We simply copy and paste code and modify it.
 
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Why, indeed? Canon is a for-profit company, not a charitable organization.


Copying the practices regarding the most successful product of the largest company in the world? Seems rather reasonable.
Apple does upgrade its operating systems (= firmware) seamlessly and for free for all of its hardware going back for years. It does have some failings, like with iPhone batteries, but I far, far prefer it as a company to Canon in the way it treats its customers. I like Canon's products but not the way it treats its customers.
 
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I don't hate to say I told you so. Too close to the R5ii for a major feature upgrade. It made no sense. The "big" R5 firmware update was the one for the R5C.
Not every one wants a "Major" feature update. AF is AF. AF tracking isn't Major. Its pretty basic and rudimentary. Update the damn AF algorithms, update the code. They have to do it anyway when they add new lenses. They haven't invented some NEW photography feature. They merely have to modify a few lines of code. Not land a lunar spaceship on Mars.
 
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There is absolutely no new photography hardware invented in the last 5 years for one to purchase a new high end mirrorless if one has one already, other than to upgrade the dinosaur basic CMOS to a modern stacked one. All other active imaging hardware components within the body are nearly identical. This is noted when viewing recent teardowns. Same stuff inside.
 
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There is absolutely no new photography hardware invented in the last 5 years for one to purchase a new high end mirrorless if one has one already, other than to upgrade the dinosaur basic CMOS to a modern stacked one. All other active imaging hardware components within the body are nearly identical. This is noted when viewing recent teardowns. Same stuff inside.
Five years? I wonder how long most people keep their cameras… That term is the typical period for depreciation (useful life) of small capital equipment. So perhaps ‘new stuff inside’ after 5 years is just right.

Of course, there’s also trickle-down tech. Having used the Smart Controller for AF point selection on the R3, if I used an R5 and the R5II gets that feature from the 1D X III / R3, I would consider updating for that alone.
 
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I believe giving up on R5 without a rather major update of especially object detection and tracking is a risky gamble. R5 is still the king of R series for many, and I really love so many things about it. But just look at this street photography example with the latest firmware on R5. I just wonder how on earth, with 4 faces in the frame, R5 face detection has picked that wall in the corner - a total disappointment for a street photographer who counts on the first moments of an encounter for a candid shot! I strongly believe if they want to maintain their historic good reputation, R5 matters a lot! And R5 mark I should not stay like this. After all, the moment that we decide to sell our R5 for a mark ii, we might as well switch to other brands.

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What percentage of shots do you get like that? Were you moving? Are you sure it's set to "human"?
 
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Actually no. Camera manufacturers have been copying code from its high end series to low end models for decades. You simply modify the code appropriately. Nothing a good firmware engineer coudn't do during a few shifts. Firmware code and algorithms are routine shared between platforms. No different than any electronic device. Engineers don't write code from scratch if they don't need to. That's a rule of coding. We simply copy and paste code and modify it.
I was referring to a recent press release from Canon. Where they suggested that the R5's AF hardware was significantly different to complicate porting over the newer features of the R3/R6ii.
 
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Canon's actually done a decent job of bringing new-body firmware features to older bodies with new firmware updates, at least where the hardware supports the new functionality.

That wasn't a thing really just a few years back. I would expect that an R5 II would have a couple things to give to the R5 I in the subsequent firmware update.
 
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Sure Canon. Why update your software/hardware when you can gin up your bank account by selling the sheeple a new camera with one hardware change and get another five grand US. I'm done chasing the 'must have'. Clearly Canon is copying the Apple iPhone syndrome. I almost wonder if Canon doesn't feed CR and others fake updates to keep them in the 'news' and claim 'but this was a rumor and not official PR'.
Thanks for sharing
 
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Five years? I wonder how long most people keep their cameras… That term is the typical period for depreciation (useful life) of small capital equipment. So perhaps ‘new stuff inside’ after 5 years is just right.

Of course, there’s also trickle-down tech. Having used the Smart Controller for AF point selection on the R3, if I used an R5 and the R5II gets that feature from the 1D X III / R3, I would consider updating for that alone.
My last DSLR camera bodies lasted my 11 years each, a pair of 5DIII's. I never found a huge reason to side grade to a 5Dmk4 (although it clearnly was a superior camera). My cams were paid for and turning out great images and I had learned / trained myslef to use them instinctively. I do wonder if hte newer mirrirless cameras are built to the same quality and robustness of the older DSLR's. The 5DIII's were battle tanks.

I held off with the R5 because I prefered the newer AF menu options and multiway AF controller on the R6ii. I love the double tap to re-centre the AF point. After handling a R8 and a R6ii, the R5 felt a bit of a step backwards. I'm certainly curious about the R5ii, but the R6ii is fullfilling my needs very well. Yes, a R5 with the R3/R6ii AF updates would be amazing and might well have tempted me. I'm not sure a 60mp R5 is really what I need or want...but you know what..no one really knows until they get to play with one.
 
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Sure Canon. Why update your software/hardware when you can gin up your bank account by selling the sheeple a new camera with one hardware change and get another five grand US.
And that's the reason why no Canon Camera ever recieved a firmaware update with increased features?
I think reality has proven your argument wrong.
Of course it it always preferable to get a (costfree) FW update instead of investing in new HW.
But sometimes the old HW is the limiting factor and you need new HW for new features.
And from my personal experience, in the past Canon has done more "feature updates" by FW instead of new HW than for example Nikon.
I'm done chasing the 'must have'. Clearly Canon is copying the Apple iPhone syndrome.
Of course, it is up to you to chose if you need/want/desire/think of that you need that new features.
As I stated before:
"Feel free to vote with your purse.
Actual overall sales numbers seem to tell, that others have a different opinion."

I almost wonder if Canon doesn't feed CR and others fake updates to keep them in the 'news' and claim 'but this was a rumor and not official PR'.
And I wonder (as stated before):
"This sounds very much like trolling" no matter if paid for or just for the "fun" or because you just need a rant.
Feel free to do so. (edit: but maybe better think first before writing)
 
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The R5 has been spectacular for me. No complaints, but it would have been nice to see a few very simple changes. Such as the AF user interface updated to the R50/R10/R7/R3 level. Oh, and an audible shutter sound to electronic shutter while also providing additional shooting speeds other than 20fps and 1fps. LOL

I don’t need more features, I just want all my cameras to have the same menus and user interface.

It’s a shame they added the 400mp shot mode as a JPEG only. I have literally never shot a JPEG on my Canon mirrorless cameras unless by mistake. I hate JPEGs.
 
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What seems to be the problem in here? I like my R5. It got some updates. I still like my R5. An R5 II might release, I still like my R5. Why do people get mad? Its fun to shoot photos.
 
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but it would have been nice to see a few very simple changes.
Yes it's a great camera. I absolutely love to have to AF modes available at once: point AF on the Shutter button, full auto with face detect on the AF On button (that can take over the starting position of the point used on the shutter button)

My small issue is file handling during WiFi ftp transfers, I hate that it aborts mid file when turning the camera off or changing the lens, leaving a corrupt file on the server (which halts the Lightroom import until manual user input). While the best solution would be to just continue writing the current file until it's done and then shut off (like it handles writing to the card, it's also not aborting writing files to the memory card if you turn it off, instead it's finishes clearing the cache).
 
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I believe giving up on R5 without a rather major update of especially object detection and tracking is a risky gamble. R5 is still the king of R series for many, and I really love so many things about it. But just look at this street photography example with the latest firmware on R5. I just wonder how on earth, with 4 faces in the frame, R5 face detection has picked that wall in the corner - a total disappointment for a street photographer who counts on the first moments of an encounter for a candid shot! I strongly believe if they want to maintain their historic good reputation, R5 matters a lot! And R5 mark I should not stay like this. After all, the moment that we decide to sell our R5 for a mark ii, we might as well switch to other brands.

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How could ANY face-detect system select those people wearing blue-blob masks? You really need to post a sample with a fair test of the camera. Silly!
 
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What percentage of shots do you get like that? Were you moving? Are you sure it's set to "human"?
Hard to say what percentage. But has been disappointing enough for such candid shots (while slowly walking) to opt for single-point or zone focusing with my new RF 28mm f2.8. You know, I had many cases of interrupted tracking of my subject which has been painful, but this is worse. Because despite having so many people in the frame it may focus so close or on infinity, which gives you a totally wrong focus zone.
And yes it was set to human.
 
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