Canon EOS R5 launch price will be below $4000 USD [CR3]

RunAndGun

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If B&H is absorbing the cost of paying sales tax to states without listing it on the invoice, it's affecting their net revenue generated by the transaction and has to be made up somewhere. They're probably hoping I won't pay the balance off in time and they get to charge me high interest on the unpaid balance. In the end, it seems what they are effectively doing is getting away with charging less than the Canon allowed minimum advertised price!

If Canon sets the minimum advertised price at $1,999 for an item and B&H sells it to me for $1,999 +$159.92 sales tax = $2,158.92 and then rebates me $159.92 on the credit card statement I've sent them $1,999. They'll keep $1,839.08 and send my state $159.92 on their monthly or quarterly sales tax report.
It’s been covered fairly in-depth since it’s introduction, but the basics are it’s essentially a store credit card for B&H issued by Synchrony Bank and it works like “cash back”/rewards credit cards, but it’s automatic, so when you pay the statement it’s already been applied and it’s outside of the actual store purchase transaction, so it doesn’t run afoul of any manufacturers stipulations on discounting/rebating certain items. The card has a ridiculous APR and they’re of course banking(ha ha) on people not paying it off every month. But, if you pay your card off every month and your state charges sales tax, it’s kind of crazy not to use it. Your state gets its sales tax, you are in compliance with paying sales tax and you pay a net amount for the item equal to not having sales tax charged. Win-win-win.
 

tiggy@mac.com

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Quackator, I find that running around with the wide and close extremes leaves me with a night's work that is a whole lot more interesting than when I run around with an overlapping set of zooms in the middle. I've never really identified exactly why this is. Perhaps it's the greater variety of compositions, and the on-the-go creativity inspired as needed to make it work. This is true even if the key shots wind up being ones closer to the middle of the zoom ranges.

Ask 5 photographers, get 7 opinions.

Shooting live shows and corporate events, I found that the
RF 2.8/15-35mm and the Sigma 1.8/135mm ART, each on
a separate body did everything I needed.
 

usern4cr

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Ask 5 photographers, get 7 opinions.

Shooting live shows and corporate events, I found that the
RF 2.8/15-35mm and the Sigma 1.8/135mm ART, each on
a separate body did everything I needed.

I could leave the rest of the gear literally chained to a wall
and never bothered to get one of the other lenses.

Yes, there is a gap between 35 and 135mm.
I found this to be no problem for me.
Anticipate the action, be there before it happens,
and you need much less zoom in the end.
How about the RF 15-35 f2.8 on one body and the RF 70-135 f2 on the other? :unsure: It seems that if you like the 135 f1.8 then you'd love the 70-135 f2 even more.

I have similar interests, in that I'm buying all new Canon gear, so I'm thinking of 2 bodies and 3 lenses: RF 15-35 f2.8, RF 70-135 f2, and RF 100-500 f4.5-7.1. :D I'd really miss the RF 70-200 f2.8 as it's so compact and outstanding, but I don't see a compelling need for it if I do get the 3 lenses I mentioned. What do you think? :unsure:
 
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If anything, in my opinion, the pandemic has increased Canon's costs. Increased losses too. There are always those who scream "GREED!". I'll never understand it. Usually it is those complaining and being greedy... demanding a product for a price they have determined is fair without any knowledge of the company's costs. It makes me laugh every time.

I used to have a son-in-law that would brag about his pirated copies of movies and software he'd bought at a fraction of the retail price for genuine legitimate product. He was always saying that, "those greedy corporations have enough money and they should be giving it away." SMH The guy never could hold a job and was always looking for someone to sue. Glad he's out of the picture.
Perfect example, thank you. Don't know your son-in-law but a lot of people, who actually could and did hold their jobs felt the same way about movies and music. And yes, it was greed. I happen to know how much the film industry had to change its modus operandi. The production costs, distribution etc. in order to deliver a product at a price people would actually pay.

Now the same is happening to camera manufacturers. I don't really care what it costs to develop and produce a camera, and frankly neither should you, as a costumer. Company the size of Canon has ways to diversify its cost, to optimise them. We consumers don't know what the cost is, and it's not our problem. One thing for certain: high price kills sales volume, in the end it can kill the product - semi-pro HQ DSLR HYBRID with or without a mirror - as well.

I'm a documentary photographer, for me camera is a tool, for some it is still a way to show off. Although, a camera is hardly a fashionable gadget any more. Many hobby photographers are more and more happy to play with their phones. For them good phone does the job and is a cool gadget at the same time. And tbh phones often do a fantastic job! The market is shrinking, the way people consume photography has changed. Make semi-pro DSLR too expensive you will kill it. Even bellow 3k is still a lot for a lifestyle that's pretty much gone. The likes of Canon should come to terms with this.

No matter what sort of marketing magic you're going to perform (product diversification, changing lens systems etc.) you will lose.
 
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Kit.

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It’s been covered fairly in-depth since it’s introduction, but the basics are it’s essentially a store credit card for B&H issued by Synchrony Bank and it works like “cash back”/rewards credit cards, but it’s automatic, so when you pay the statement it’s already been applied and it’s outside of the actual store purchase transaction, so it doesn’t run afoul of any manufacturers stipulations on discounting/rebating certain items. The card has a ridiculous APR and they’re of course banking(ha ha) on people not paying it off every month. But, if you pay your card off every month and your state charges sales tax, it’s kind of crazy not to use it. Your state gets its sales tax, you are in compliance with paying sales tax and you pay a net amount for the item equal to not having sales tax charged. Win-win-win.
I wonder if such cashback counts as taxable income.
 

privatebydesign

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I used to have a son-in-law that would brag about his pirated copies of movies and software he'd bought at a fraction of the retail price for genuine legitimate product. He was always saying that, "those greedy corporations have enough money and they should be giving it away." SMH The guy never could hold a job and was always looking for someone to sue. Glad he's out of the picture.
So a counter point to the fake DVD thing, I used to domicile in the UK and work in SE Asia and the Caribbean and I travelled between the three regularly. Those three locations are in three different DVD regions and my very expensive laptop (at the time) had a DVD player, I was happy to buy genuine DVD’s but they were all region locked and because of the ‘digital rights’ of the corporations I couldn’t play my own genuine DVD’s on my own DVD player because the DVD player only allowed you to change the region it would work in 5 times during it’s life, a completely artificial limitation to the laptop specifically written into the code of the DVD player at the behest of the movie companies.

The corporate ’greed’ ended up giving me a choice, $5 for a fake but unlocked DVD or $20 for a genuine DVD I couldn’t watch...

Piracy is wrong, ill though out and badly implemented protectionist policies that were written by lawyers of big corporations and are heavily weighted to those corporations are also wrong.
 

carina_r31

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There's a retailer in Berlin (Foto Meter) showing the EOS R5 body this weekend. Unfortunately, there won't be a possibility to test the camera. But I'm surprised they're showing the body, since the official announcement didn't take place so far. I don't think there'll be many new informations and they won't know a price for sure (or they won't tell), but I'll have a look at the event tomorrow :) really excited nonetheless!
 

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So a counter point to the fake DVD thing, I used to domicile in the UK and work in SE Asia and the Caribbean and I travelled between the three regularly. Those three locations are in three different DVD regions and my very expensive laptop (at the time) had a DVD player, I was happy to buy genuine DVD’s but they were all region locked and because of the ‘digital rights’ of the corporations I couldn’t play my own genuine DVD’s on my own DVD player because the DVD player only allowed you to change the region it would work in 5 times during it’s life, a completely artificial limitation to the laptop specifically written into the code of the DVD player at the behest of the movie companies.

The corporate ’greed’ ended up giving me a choice, $5 for a fake but unlocked DVD or $20 for a genuine DVD I couldn’t watch...

Piracy is wrong, ill though out and badly implemented protectionist policies that were written by lawyers of big corporations and are heavily weighted to those corporations are also wrong.
Most of us in the USA never leave our region. ;)
 
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Quackator

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How about the RF 15-35 f2.8 on one body and the RF 70-135 f2 on the other? :unsure: It seems that if you like the 135 f1.8 then you'd love the 70-135 f2 even more.
That depends on what the 70-135 will deliver wide open at 135mm.
If it is anywhere near the Sigma Art, this is exactly what I will do.
But not without test driving both head to head before.
 
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Normalnorm

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On the other hand, "much of the world" was not included in a conversation about how much wait staff in the U.S. are compensated.
The "view of the world " I am referencing begins outside your own home. In your own community.
Wait staff are frantically underpaid as a rule because of the assumption that tips cover the difference between the Federal minimum of $2.13/hr (applies in many states) and a "fair wage".
Tips are profoundly unequally distributed despite the anecdotes people love to share of wait staff taking home thousands a week. Yes, some are very well paid. My cousin is a very pretty woman who was a grad student at Stanford and was able to make $4k a month waiting tables in San Francisco in the 70's is one of those. Today she is a professor at a University where she has students having to hold down two jobs earning tips that can barely afford low income housing.
The vast bulk of jobs that depend on tips are underpaid and not because of a lack of effort.
This is but a small section in the much larger story of the structure of the US economy and culture that is designed to have a large, low paid and compliant workforce.
 

AEWest

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I gave some feedback to Canon on their 'Feedback page.' I told them I was quite frustrated on the fact that an announcement can't be made on the R5. A release date I can wait patiently on. I told them, 'I know they probably don't care that I'm frustrated.' Puny customer, against a giant company. What can I do? I could go to Nikon, but Nikon is pulling the same stunt Canon is. I got a response a few days later, and they sent me a link to what isn't a brochure on the R5, maybe it is idk.. I thought, 'Ok, this is close to what I wanted.'
Here is the link to what they gave me. Hope you enjoy, have an awesome day!

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/...e/product-showcases/cameras-and-lenses/eos-r5
Thanks for the link. Although we know these specs, it does emphasize at the top of the specs an all new CMOS sensor and processor. Could it be a stacked sensor they have developed and used in the GX-7 Mark III? Here is a link to an article about this patented sensor from back in 2017. It may help explain how the camera can overcome overheating issues with high resolution video.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/canon-patent-details-stacked-sensors-with-autofocus-layer/
 

The Fat Fish

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I think this is more obvious that people give it credit for. The 8K video is the only stand out feature that other competitors don't currently offer. Whilst it's impressive, it's something many will not need or use so Canon would be silly to price the camera highly because of it, especially considering the lack of a 4K only version priced lower.

Based on what cameras like the A7RIV, Z7, S1R and others offer, I'd say around £3500-£3750 would be reasonable.
 

padam

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I think this is more obvious that people give it credit for. The 8K video is the only stand out feature that other competitors don't currently offer. Whilst it's impressive, it's something many will not need or use so Canon would be silly to price the camera highly because of it, especially considering the lack of a 4K only version priced lower.

Based on what cameras like the A7RIV, Z7, S1R and others offer, I'd say around £3500-£3750 would be reasonable.
Only the S1R has 4k60p (this camera has 4k120p) and it has very weak continuous AF in a much bigger and heavier body, so it is more of a specialist camera, A7RIV is the same, having the higher resolution but slower, IBIS not as good, Z7 has no dual card slots, not as well integrated with older lenses, etc.
None of these cameras have 10-bit 4:2:2 internal recording with Log or an articulating screen, and they also don't share the same "middle-size" form factor.

The competitors do offer some of the features in some models, just not all of them in one package (one is better for stills, the other is better for video) and with the lens ecosystem behind it (Canon will have way more IS lenses to offer dual, or even triple IS with the electronic mode engaged). So yes, the EOS R5 looks to be sitting at the forefront for the time being, and it's not just because it can record 8K video.
 

CanonFanBoy

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This is what is generally considered to be part of Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
True, but that depends on whom you ask. I have a good friend from the U.K., a former London school teacher no less, who argues that the U.K. is not in Europe because it is made up of islands. Says he's not a European.

Then, in South America, it is not uncommon for students to be taught that there are but 5 continents: Eurasia, America, Africa, Australia, and Antarctica. (According to several people I have known from there.)

So "generally considered" can depend upon where one is from and who it is writing the books. That includes history. Just ask the Neo-Confederates here in the U.S.A.

 
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The islands occupied by Great Britain are on the continental shelf of the European continent.
I think the area of NC where I live is in exotic zone where you can’t tell what part is Africa and what is South America, or something like that. Africa is to our east, and mountains from the collision are west of us. I think some of our mountains wound up in Morocco.
 
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The islands occupied by Great Britain are on the continental shelf of the European continent.
Well, I guess if we are going to count shelfs... The United States and Russia share the Chukchi Shelf. ;) It is 98'-160' deep between the two countries. The Straight of Dover gets up to 225' deep. The North American Plate is a tectonic plate covering most of North America, Greenland, Cuba, the Bahamas, extreme northeastern Asia (in Siberian Russia), and parts of Iceland and the Azores.
 
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I think the area of NC where I live is in exotic zone where you can’t tell what part is Africa and what is South America, or something like that. Africa is to our east, and mountains from the collision are west of us. I think some of our mountains wound up in Morocco.
North Carolina is so beautiful.
 
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