Canon EOS R5 launch price will be below $4000 USD [CR3]

Kit.

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True, but that depends on whom you ask. I have a good friend from the U.K., a former London school teacher no less, who argues that the U.K. is not in Europe because it is made up of islands. Says he's not a European.
I wonder what people from Scotland and Northern Ireland think of it.
 
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David_E

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If you're also considering adding other bodies that use the more ubiquitous LP-E6/LP-E6N/LP-E6x (whatever they're gong to call the R5 version) battery then that's another plus for the R instead of the RP.
One extra battery in my pocket for insurance (not often needed in my kind of work) and I do just fine with my RP. In my experience, it outdoes the R in ergonomics and it makes quality pics.
 

tiggy@mac.com

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I think yours is a decent analysis. I owned the Panasonic S1R and currently have a couple Sony A7R4s, and both models are fantastic. But for the S1R's autofocus, I'd be all in with the Panasonic system running Sigma L glass. The thing the new Canon R5 has that'll move me from Sony (assuming equivalent AF capabilities) is the fast frames along with decent resolution. It's the thing that was missing. It's been a long, long time since Canon was competitive in the high-ish resolution/fast frames space. When the 5D4 first came out, it was a pretty decent combination, but wasn't on top, and was quickly left behind.

Having done a camera system walk-about over the past two years, I can say that it'll be nice to come back to Canon menus. Sony people seriously underestimate what they're missing with that 1980's industrial machine LCD interface they grafted onto the camera. That said, Canon people may be surprised to discover that the Panasonic menu system is a bit better than theirs. In part, it has to do with monitor resolution. When you have amazing resolution, you can add another layer of tabs to make everything super easy. This is one of the reasons Sony menus aren't in a position to improve much right now, as all their cameras have lower-than-class-average resolution on the monitors.

Only the S1R has 4k60p (this camera has 4k120p) and it has very weak continuous AF in a much bigger and heavier body, so it is more of a specialist camera, A7RIV is the same, having the higher resolution but slower, IBIS not as good, Z7 has no dual card slots, not as well integrated with older lenses, etc.
None of these cameras have 10-bit 4:2:2 internal recording with Log or an articulating screen, and they also don't share the same "middle-size" form factor.

The competitors do offer some of the features in some models, just not all of them in one package (one is better for stills, the other is better for video) and with the lens ecosystem behind it (Canon will have way more IS lenses to offer dual, or even triple IS with the electronic mode engaged). So yes, the EOS R5 looks to be sitting at the forefront for the time being, and it's not just because it can record 8K video.
 

gmon750

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Despite the constant message that the 5Div was a minor improvement, I was pleasantly surprised how much of a difference it made as an overall package... and for a relatively small changeover cost from a 5Diii to a second hand 5Div.
Absolutely agree with you. I've spent many nights going back and forth on buying a Mark IV. Knowing it would fit in my current (and very expensive) housing was a huge plus for me. Then I started hearing whispers about Canon's mirrorless offerings, then when the R-body came out, I was intrigued but disappointed, which made me "almost" decide to just buy the 5DM4... then I started hearing about Canon's R5 which had me thinking of buyer's remorse...

It's taking longer than I would have but if the R5 turns out to be the real deal in real-world reviews as it does on paper, then I'll be glad I waited. For what it's worth, it's not like I'm doing any underwater shoots for a while due to COVID so I can wait now.

It's pretty exciting stuff coming out of Canon!
 
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SteveC

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One extra battery in my pocket for insurance (not often needed in my kind of work) and I do just fine with my RP. In my experience, it outdoes the R in ergonomics and it makes quality pics.
The RP was my fallback plan in case I found the R5 to be too expensive. Not the R6, and not the R. Yeah, there's a lot missing from it but it has a respectable resolution and dirt cheap to make up for what's missing.

It would make a decent backup body, but I am thinking the M6 mkII or even my M50 are good cameras, so I don't really need a(nother) backup.
 

stevelee

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North Carolina is so beautiful.
Especially in the spring and fall. Because of the collision of continents that caused our former east coast to become mountains and left bits and pieces of other continents, there are areas with more kinds of minerals and gemstones than most other places on earth. The big gold rush before 1849 was just east of here. There are former gold mines under downtown Charlotte. They still could be mined, but the gold available is worth less than the real estate above it.

About ten miles east of where I grew up was the largest lithium mine in the world for some years. There are places in the mountains with a large variety of gem stones.

If you dive to our continental shelf, you will find artifacts including arrowheads from the time when sea levels were much lower.
 

SteveC

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Especially in the spring and fall. Because of the collision of continents that caused our former east coast to become mountains and left bits and pieces of other continents, there are areas with more kinds of minerals and gemstones than most other places on earth. The big gold rush before 1849 was just east of here. There are former gold mines under downtown Charlotte. They still could be mined, but the gold available is worth less than the real estate above it.

About ten miles east of where I grew up was the largest lithium mine in the world for some years. There are places in the mountains with a large variety of gem stones.

If you dive to our continental shelf, you will find artifacts including arrowheads from the time when sea levels were much lower.
The mountains of Scotland, and Norway, are actually part of the same chain as the Appalachians. The rift that became the Atlantic ocean simply cut the range in two.
 
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edoorn

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now I feel really bad because maybe in a few months I’ll have a terrific camera to capture the beauty of all these places mentioned here, but no wahy of getting there
 

Danglin52

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Perfect example, thank you. Don't know your son-in-law but a lot of people, who actually could and did hold their jobs felt the same way about movies and music. And yes, it was greed. I happen to know how much the film industry had to change its modus operandi. The production costs, distribution etc. in order to deliver a product at a price people would actually pay.

Now the same is happening to camera manufacturers. I don't really care what it costs to develop and produce a camera, and frankly neither should you, as a costumer. Company the size of Canon has ways to diversify its cost, to optimise them. We consumers don't know what the cost is, and it's not our problem. One thing for certain: high price kills sales volume, in the end it can kill the product - semi-pro HQ DSLR HYBRID with or without a mirror - as well.

I'm a documentary photographer, for me camera is a tool, for some it is still a way to show off. Although, a camera is hardly a fashionable gadget any more. Many hobby photographers are more and more happy to play with their phones. For them good phone does the job and is a cool gadget at the same time. And tbh phones often do a fantastic job! The market is shrinking, the way people consume photography has changed. Make semi-pro DSLR too expensive you will kill it. Even bellow 3k is still a lot for a lifestyle that's pretty much gone. The likes of Canon should come to terms with this.

No matter what sort of marketing magic you're going to perform (product diversification, changing lens systems etc.) you will lose.
I started to reply to your comments and decided it was a waste of time.
 

CanonFanBoy

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Especially in the spring and fall. Because of the collision of continents that caused our former east coast to become mountains and left bits and pieces of other continents, there are areas with more kinds of minerals and gemstones than most other places on earth. The big gold rush before 1849 was just east of here. There are former gold mines under downtown Charlotte. They still could be mined, but the gold available is worth less than the real estate above it.

About ten miles east of where I grew up was the largest lithium mine in the world for some years. There are places in the mountains with a large variety of gem stones.

If you dive to our continental shelf, you will find artifacts including arrowheads from the time when sea levels were much lower.
I was stationed at MCAS Cherry Point years ago. I was also there in the mid 1960s when my Dad was stationed there. Beautiful state!
 
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canonmike

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No you don't, as I mentioned before it depends on the state you live in and how far along the state you live in is in mandating sales tax for online purchases. They did not charge me sales tax and I did not use their credit card and I built a C200 rig over the last two weeks using B&H.
Lucky you. I live in S.C. and B&H charges sales tax, whenever I order from them. Just moved here from Ga. Same there. B&H now charges sales tax in many states. You can see states affected by looking at B&H site list of states they are now required to charge tax for. I did apply for and used the referenced B&H Payboo card, which credits tax back immeditately but as one poster pointed out, you better make a pymt immediately to your Pay Boo acct to avoid high interest rate charges, something I'm sure Sychrony, the pay boo provider is depending on. Still, it gives a buyer an option to reduce purchase price by the sales tax amount. It works for me and I have used it several times since B&H started charging sales tax.
 

stevelee

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I was stationed at MCAS Cherry Point years ago. I was also there in the mid 1960s when my Dad was stationed there. Beautiful state!
My father was called back into the Marines during the Korean War and was at Camp Lejeune, not quite so far out as Cherry Point. He got home every other weekend, carpooling with guys who lived west of us. He never left NC, but trained troops to go to Korea. I was 4 years old. I have letters he sent to Mother discussing what for him to get me for my fifth birthday.
 

RunAndGun

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Lucky you. I live in S.C. and B&H charges sales tax, whenever I order from them. Just moved here from Ga. Same there. B&H now charges sales tax in many states. You can see states affected by looking at B&H site list of states they are now required to charge tax for. I did apply for and used the referenced B&H Payboo card, which credits tax back immeditately but as one poster pointed out, you better make a pymt immediately to your Pay Boo acct to avoid high interest rate charges, something I'm sure Sychrony, the pay boo provider is depending on. Still, it gives a buyer an option to reduce purchase price by the sales tax amount. It works for me and I have used it several times since B&H started charging sales tax.
Yes, you have to be careful. I really dislike the way they handle their billing. It’s emailed notices for on-line statements that are sent out roughly 20 days or so before the due date and then a notice a few days AFTER the due date (I missed mine after the second time I used it, because the due date is different/sooner than my other CC and most of my bill due dates). If they really cared about their customers paying it on-time, they would send out a second email notice right before it’s due(my airline CC sends out an email notice much closer to your due date to remind you). Luckily for me, it was a pretty decent purchase, so even with the late fee, I still came out cheaper vs. sales tax.
 

privatebydesign

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Scotland is part of the European content and we have a long history of close ties with other European countries. England is free to move there part of the island elsewhere.
As is Scotland, indeed I’m sure many English people would relish the idea of no longer subsidizing Scotland and to no longer have Scottish representation in Parliament. Lets not forget Scottish people make laws applicable in England and their own different laws for Scotland, the English can’t do that.
 
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Codebunny

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As is Scotland, indeed I’m sure many English people would relish the idea of no longer subsidizing Scotland and to no longer have Scottish representation in Parliament. Lets not forget Scottish people make laws applicable in England and their own different laws for Scotland, the English can’t do that.
We would be happy to no longer subsidise England, Its a big enough country that can surely stand on its own feet.
 
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David_E

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The RP was my fallback plan in case I found the R5 to be too expensive. Not the R6, and not the R. Yeah, there's a lot missing from it...
“Missing” must be judged relative to one’s needs. For my purposes, the only thing missing from the Eos RP is GPS, and that’s easily enough fixed in the Lightroom Maps module. For me, the RP is a superb camera to take into the field and make research-grade macrophotos.
 
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Codebunny

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“Missing” must be judged relative to one’s needs. For my purposes, the only thing missing from the Eos RP is GPS, and that’s easily enough fixed in the Lightroom Maps module. For me, the RP is a superb camera to take into the field and make research-grade macrophotos.
What about the greater than 1/4000 shutter speeds?. I often am shooting 1/6000 or 1/8000 and bumping up the aperture to reduce the light. Are you just using ND filters on the lenses during bright conditions?
 

Codebunny

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It's clear you have an opinion on Scottish independence, which is fine, but as an individual, you are not privy to the thoughts and opinions of the populations of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. That's what the referendum established, showing a majority of Scottish people wanted to stay part of the UK.

As this is a Canon forum and not a medium for campaigning for Scottish independence, it may be better to post your opinions elsewhere and when and if a further referendum is called, vote as you see fit.

I look forward to your comments on all things Canon but hope not to see any further posts like these. There is far too much political commentary on this site as it is.

Cheers
I was responding to previous poster that seems to have the idea that England is subsidising my country. You are right that this is indeed a Canon forum, and I could have chosen to ignore the previous poster but chose to remark that his view is seen equally on the other side.
 
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