Canon EOS R6 Mark III & RF 45 F1.2 STM November 6
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Funny how the actual users of these lenses, both reviewers and actual photographers, find the STM AF both very quick and very reliable.
Maybe what should be happening in 2025 is that gear heads stop whining when the camera equipment today is far better than ever.
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Users will vote with their money but I believe that a recent article for DPR to travel to Canon Japan for a future strategy said pretty that Canon is looking forward and not backwards so a retro design is unlikely. That said, the Zf has been really popular not to mention compact cameras.
Give me the same boring rounded bodies which I know and love for their ergonomics. Smaller is not always better.
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Global shutter is great but high cost and reduced dynamic range is still a limitation. An "acceptable" rolling shutter for most people's shooting needs at a reasonable cost will always win IMO.
Similarly, I won't upgrade to R5ii as I don't need the extra features, my R5 works fine and I would need a new underwater housing backplate to fit it so the cost is higher for me.
A slightly reduced dynamic range due to the stacked sensor is also a small reason for me to delay as I do night stuff where it could make a difference.
I hope that these things will improve and costs reduced so there is still some improvement to come.
I was shooting whales in Aitutaki last week and a family was deep in the ocean. The vis wasn't perfect or the depth a long way down but somehow my R5 focused. They looked like smudges on the raw image but I was able to significantly post process them
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Please address the content, not the person.
And it's rude to censor people.
If he wants to whine, let him. You can ignore his posts.
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If resolution was the sole differentiator then who would buy anything besides the RP with 26mp except for the R5/R5ii within Canon's current bodies for sale.
Canon must have been crazy to discontinue the EOS R with its 30mp sensor.
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Maybe for the better built (sealing), for IBIS, for the dual memory card, or its larger size (ergonomics) ?
It's true they produce the same size picture, yet, IBIS is not to be neglected, nor is a better sealing if it starts raining.
And, if I'm not mistaken, the R8 cannot be fitted with a battery-grip, should you need one.
The same sensor doesn't make the 2 cameras equals, far from it! A sensor isn't the only important part of a camera, otherwise who would ever consider buying an R3?
I still own an EOS R, and really missed the IBIS, my newer cameras have. 2 weeks ago, one SD in my R5 II failed. In an R8, I would have lost 3-4 days of vacation pictures, which didn't happen since I write everything on both SD and CF express. I will never again buy a camera without dual cards. In fact, that's the reason my Leica M no longer gets used for "important" pictures...
But in the end, it's up to you, your priorities can be fully different from mine!
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I think this is why a lot of forum commenters don't like megapixel upgrades in new cameras - the new one has more/is better than what they've got.
If megapixels are so unimportant, why do so many people get worked up over it when Canon decides a line of camera needs more or less?
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The people who want/need an R1/R3 have a different view on cameras to the mass market. For example, I've seen lots of people on holiday taking their digital camera with them but nobody has ever had a battery grip - probably because the extra weight in carry on would be too much. The R1/R3 aren't aimed at consumers/prosumers...
Canon make the cameras different by adding different features to each to try and create the perception of extra value. I see increasing the MP count of the R6 as part of the necessary weighting that Canon needs to do to demonstrate that the R6III is worth spending more money on. Sure the R6 is better than the R8 because <insert list of reasons>, but if I can generate the same image with a R6II & R8, why do I need to spend extra on the R6II? Because I might get rained on? If it is going to rain, I probably want to stop holding the camera and start holding the umbrella to keep me dry!
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Indeed, why did Canon bring out the R5/R5II with 45MP when they should have put 24MP in it instead? 24MP is enough for everybody, right, is that the argument?
Who knows why Canon choose a particular MP sensor for a product. They don't tell us so we're just left to guess. What we can see is that with a 32MP sensor in the R6III, there's a very clear and distinctive stratifying of Canon's cameras:
R8 - 24MP
R6III - 32MP
R5/II - 45MP
by upping the sensor resultion in the R6III it paves the way for Canon to introduce more features from the R6 series in the R8 series without eating too much of their own lunch, enabling a better camera to compete with Sony/Nikon.
Of course it might also be that the R8II gets a 32MP sensor in its next update. Why? Competitive advantage vs others. Or maybe it is the perceived threat from 50MP phone cameras that also produce 1MP images on social media. WTF knows, we just get tea leaves at the bottom of the cup.
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Which brand?2 weeks ago, one SD in my R5 II failed. In an R8, I would have lost 3-4 days of vacation pictures, which didn't happen since I write everything on both SD and CF express. I will never again buy a camera without dual cards. In fact, that's the reason my Leica M no longer gets used for "important" pictures...
But in the end, it's up to you, your priorities can be fully different from mine!
I haven't (yet) had a failed card across a couple of decades but it is sure to happen some time. I have been using Sony Tough for a long time now without problems so far.
For important stuff, I always try to offload/backup to my PC/external drive each night to limit any potential problems. 3 levels of backup is my strategy
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My RP ( and the R8) use a small battery and hence I have a grip for my RP. The RP is my backup for workshop trips or when I want a second camera running for night stuff. The R8 would have been better but much more expensive at the time.
That said, I had my RP (with grip) ready for whales above water on the boat (slaps/breaches etc) but silly me forgot to turn it off and had the menu auto-off turned off so the batteries went flat overnight missing some shots that day. Lesson learnt! The R5 power saving is amazing but that isn't the case for all bodies.
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It was a case of "mea culpa". I was in a hurry, and simply/stupidly forgot I hadn't formatted a new SD yet...Which brand?
I haven't (yet) had a failed card across a couple of decades but it is sure to happen some time. I have been using Sony Tough for a long time now without problems so far.
For important stuff, I always try to offload/backup to my PC/external drive each night to limit any potential problems. 3 levels of backup is my strategy
Sorry, I should have written "I failed", and not the "SD failed". But it's sooo nice to put the blame on something/someone else...
But, once again, I was in a hurry to go to bed after a 16 hours flight home...
Edit: I also never had one single real issue with Sandisk SD/CF that wasn't my own fault. But I prefer to put all chances on my side, so I have both SD/CF written on simultaneously. And change cards every day.
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If I were to look at all my cameras right now, none of them would have their battery loaded. Most are empty, some are half-cocked (battery in place but door open.) End of day, batteries in charger or waiting to be loaded as I walk out the door the next day. Why? I got tired of the cameras "running" when I wasn't.
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You'd probably be surprised...
I currently have the R8 in my possession (I don't know yet if I'll be keeping it, I also have an RP). I also own the original R6, which has been my main camera for the past 4,5 years and still is.
The R8 has the same sensor, image processor and autofocus as the R6 Mark II.
I see a slightly smaller EVF, a smaller battery, no IBIS, a smaller hand grip, one SD card slot, and it's missing the rear dial. That's pretty much it. How many of these missing features will affect the camera's abilities to photograph?
The camera responds and focuses as quickly as the R6, allows me most of the same controls and behaves as predictably as the R6.
No, there's no mechanical shutter, just a 6fps EFCS, which may not be relevant for many, many users, myself included.
There's a small buffer but, since I'm not shooting bursts, it's irrelevant.
It works, it gets the shot. In the past, I planned on getting a second R6, to have matching camera bodies, but not anymore. I already skipped buying a second R6, the R6 Mark II, and looks like I'll be skipping the R6 Mark III as well.
Not only the R8 encroached one unit of a R6-series camera to me, it may actually replace it.
No, I'm not picking it as main camera, but it's still replacing one acquisition.
The R8 has basic weather sealing with tightly assembled materials, similar to that of the RP, 6D Mark II, 90D, 80D and other cameras.
Wouldn't the same happen to the R5, if it had auto-standby off as well?
I usually keep my RP on top of the desk all week, to photograph the cats. It's always turned on but I allow it to sleep. The battery lasts well over a week, that way. After work, usually I don't charge the battery that is inside the RP, I just put it to personal use as is, and charge it just before leaving for a new assignment.
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EFCS is a mechanical shutter! You can see, hear and feel it when using it! I rarely use it, only when the HF flicker reduction doesn't work or when I use a flash. But it is a physical shutter curtain moving by mechanical means!
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Yes, there are curtains moving on an EFCS, but it should be noted that the R8 does not have a completely mechanical shutter, specially when considering, for instance, f/1.2 prime lenses, much like the one mentioned in this thread.
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I don't see it as a thread. I've tried the R8 because I thought it would be nice to have a smaller camera for travels. I was wrong. Even though I still think that the R8 is the best deal on the market. I'd still much prefer the R6 (mark II). The small battery is annoying. Single SD card for some (I use it a different way: I delete the non-keepers on the go so I don't have to bother with them back at home. But I wouldn't do it without a second card just in case I delete something accidentally). Missing IBIS would force me to use bigger lenses with IS (like the 35 1.8 instead of 50 for things like night markets and street). Or other wide lens instead of the 16mm f/2.8. And the R6 is just so much more comfortable in the hands for a long shoot. So – the R8 is a great deal for someone on a budged. But when someone has the money they buy R6 ii.
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