Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Coming in August? [CR1]

[KeithBreazeal]

I think Canon sees a serious contender in this camera and is going to throw in a version that could be a game changer. Canon may not have seen this coming initially, but the popularity is overwhelmingly good. My son has my 40D and found my SL1 when he came to visit. He tried it out and begged me for it. Ya, I broke down and ordered one for him. Spoiled. He will never get my 5D III.

 

[Pitspics]

I think Canon nailed it with the SL1.

I agree, waited for M3 but with the issue with EF lenses, the price tag and some other things I changed my mind and bought a week ago 100D - and I love it . Got also 10-18 EF-S to team up with it (and also my 11 years old 50/1.4), tomorrow also 24/2.8 EF-S is arriving .

Still playing around with it, was laughing out loud when I attached it to 100-400/II - wierd sight. Image quality for me is great and it's traveling with me everywhere atm.

totally agree!
i bought it in february instead of the "m"... also with the 10-18 because i shoot wideangle for 80%. (extrem lightweight and easy to take compared to 6D+16-35).
this is an impressive wide-angle-option for low budget - and can also be used as a backup-body with all lenses! PERFECT 8)

 

[mb66energy]

Hmm...RGB+IR metering... I'm not sure what that actually buys in the end. I guess I could understand IR sensitivity for focusing purposes, it could be used with an IR focus assist light...but metering? Curious how that will work.

My guess was and is that the IR pixels might discriminate between object and background if
there is no "contrast" in the visual spectrum. Deciding between foreground and background
is important for evaluating the exposure in matrix mode.
Another idea is: If the IR pixels can discriminate between temperatures it is easy to recognize
faces and optimize exposures for them ... except in cases where everything is
in thermal equilibrium @ 32 degree centigrade. But for that you have the manual mode and/or AEB.

 

[9VIII]

YES MAKE IT THIS YEAR PLEASE!
(Before I crumble and buy a 7D2 or 5Ds, in the short term I'd rather have an SL2 and 100-400Mk2 than a 5Ds which will drop price much much faster vs. the lens. Actually I basically want this camera regardless of whatever else comes out, love the form factor.)

 

[mb66energy]

The EOS M is really compact if paired with the 2.0 22 but really awkward to use just
for medium slow "action".
With the EF 2.8 40 and the EF-S 2.8 60 via adapter it gives me the better focal lengths but is far from
compact. Using EF lenses via adaptor eats up the compactness of the EOS M ...

An SL2 is a very valid option and might add to a "shooting ready moderately poor man's trinity":
24mm: EF 2.8 24 classic + 5D classic
64mm: EF 2.8 40 + SL2
100mm: EF 2.8 100 Macro classic + 5D classic

 

[KeithBreazeal]

I found it interesting that my old Instamatic was about the same size.

Canon Rebel SL-1 and Kodak Instamatic © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

 

[rfdesigner]

Hmm...RGB+IR metering... I'm not sure what that actually buys in the end. I guess I could understand IR sensitivity for focusing purposes, it could be used with an IR focus assist light...but metering? Curious how that will work.

My guess was and is that the IR pixels might discriminate between object and background if
there is no "contrast" in the visual spectrum. Deciding between foreground and background
is important for evaluating the exposure in matrix mode.
Another idea is: If the IR pixels can discriminate between temperatures it is easy to recognize
faces and optimize exposures for them ... except in cases where everything is
in thermal equilibrium @ 32 degree centigrade. But for that you have the manual mode and/or AEB.

I can guarantee to you there will be no possibility this can detect temperature.. that requires specifically non-silicon technology (bare silicon sees around 300~1100nm, heat detection requires around 10000nm sensitivity). What this does mean is the possibility of reading interesting Near Infrared (NIR) colours and using a NIR searchlight.

Canon really should include some kind of AFMA.. a very small DSLR is a possible premium product in its own right.

 

[lw]

I read that as AFMA, I want AFMA if I'm going to use expensive lenses at wide apertures. The kit lenses will be ok with it due to the small apertures and depth of field.
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That's a big point against it (AFMA), the other was the inability to tether the camera for remote operation. Now that it has Wi-Fi, that may be possible, but its so basic on my G1X II that I doubt it would be much use.

I agree. Part of me doesn't want to buy another camera that doesn't have AFMA.

However, having said that, my most recent lens purchase was a Sigma where I have been able to do the MFA in the lens via the USB dock.
So... the answer is... Sigma Lenses...

 

[exquisitor]

The EOS M is really compact if paired with the 2.0 22 but really awkward to use just
for medium slow "action".
With the EF 2.8 40 and the EF-S 2.8 60 via adapter it gives me the better focal lengths but is far from
compact. Using EF lenses via adaptor eats up the compactness of the EOS M ...

An SL2 is a very valid option and might add to a "shooting ready moderately poor man's trinity":
24mm: EF 2.8 24 classic + 5D classic
64mm: EF 2.8 40 + SL2
100mm: EF 2.8 100 Macro classic + 5D classic

Very interesting! I also have 5D I with a bunch of primes (14, 24, 35, 50 and 100 mm) and have considered to buy EOS M as an all-around tool because of light weight and small size. But now I see SL1 would be also a nice option. What is your experience with EOS M? As I understand from your comment about speed, it is rather not very responsive camera. Aside from this there is only screen for composing and I really like the OVF. Would you consider SL1/SL2 to be a better option?

 

[Plainsman]

You can probably buy a new D7100 with 24Mp and AFMA for the same as this. Canon miles behind as usual.

"Rebel"...what a crappy name or do the Canon marketing department think that the USA is on a different planet or something.

So to match the D7100/D7200 we will have to wait for for the 80D presumably or then maybe not - remember the 60D?

If I had expensive fast lenses I would not touch this camera. Great for DSLR scanning though with its big files!

 

[Moulyneau]

Personally, I'd rather get a Sony A6000. Much better bang for the buck than the SL1 or 2 in my opinion.

No, it's not. For 80 excellent, proven reasons that no other manufacturer can match. With this spec list, I'll sure grab one without hesitation.

 

[Moulyneau]

You can probably buy a new D7100 with 24Mp and AFMA for the same as this. Canon miles behind as usual.

"Rebel"...what a crappy name or do the Canon marketing department think that the USA is on a different planet or something.

So to match the D7100/D7200 we will have to wait for for the 80D presumably or then maybe not - remember the 60D?

If I had expensive fast lenses I would not touch this camera. Great for DSLR scanning though with its big files!

What are you talking about? Here we talk about the smallest DRLR on the market, 370 grams that can take all legacy lenses. Not an opinion. Just a fact.

 

[Wizardly]

We’d heard previously that the camera would be slightly smaller and suggested an EVF was a possibility. That looks to be off the table with the latest specifications for the camera.

Frankly I don't understand the obsession with putting an EVF on a reflex body. Adding an EVF to a body obviates the need for the reflex mirror for composition; moreover, now the mirror is reflecting light onto an imaging sensor redundant to the imaging sensor used for making the image...which seems ludicrous to my engineering mind. Barring some very creative engineering (e.g. translucent mirror, and all the detriments caused by that solution), adding an EVF removes the mirror; as the mirror goes so goes the phase-detection AF sensor (i.e. 19 points), and the metering sensor (7560 pixel; RGB + IR).

My suspicion is, if an EVF is going to show up anywhere it will be on an upper-level version of the EOS M3. Instead of asking for the SL2 with an EVF, drum up support for an EOS M3i (although it probably won't be offered in the US).

 

[Wizardly]

You can probably buy a new D7100 with 24Mp and AFMA for the same as this. Canon miles behind as usual.

"Rebel"...what a crappy name or do the Canon marketing department think that the USA is on a different planet or something.

So to match the D7100/D7200 we will have to wait for for the 80D presumably or then maybe not - remember the 60D?

If I had expensive fast lenses I would not touch this camera. Great for DSLR scanning though with its big files!

Why do you have to wait for an 80D when a 70D is already available and is contemporary to the D7100?

Also, why compare an entry-level (i.e. Rebel) camera to an enthusiast camera (D7100/D70) in the first place? Compare the SL2 to the D5300 (which also does not have AFMA) or the imaginary D4300 - the small Nikon camera that doesn't exist.

 

[editreject]

If they can keep the same form factor as the SL1 with all of these rumored specs packed inside then this will be one killer little package.

 

[wtlloyd]

Geez, what utter nonsense. SL1 takes EF lenses is a super compact dslr and I just bought one for $300 shipped with 1 year USA warranty. It will ride in my laptop bag with the 40 and 24 pancakes yet provide a emergency 2nd backup if needed. Only reservation I have as noted no AFMA.
I have Canon lenses what would I do with a Nikon body?

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You can probably buy a new D7100 with 24Mp and AFMA for the same as this. Canon miles behind as usual.

"Rebel"...what a crappy name or do the Canon marketing department think that the USA is on a different planet or something.

So to match the D7100/D7200 we will have to wait for for the 80D presumably or then maybe not - remember the 60D?

If I had expensive fast lenses I would not touch this camera. Great for DSLR scanning though with its big files!
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[KeithBreazeal]

I think the real story on the SL2 is how many higher end features Canon is capable of putting in a small body. My initial though is Canon just went through another evolution of miniaturization of components.
When the SL2 is available, somebody needs to tear one down and find out how all the components are fit into the tiny body.

 

[Loswr]

Geez, what utter nonsense. SL1 takes EF lenses is a super compact dslr and I just bought one for $300 shipped with 1 year USA warranty. It will ride in my laptop bag with the 40 and 24 pancakes yet provide a emergency 2nd backup if needed. Only reservation I have as noted no AFMA.
I have Canon lenses what would I do with a Nikon body?

Well now who's spouting nonsense? Who cares about body size or lens compatibility anymore. Those topics are so passé. Nikon cameras get higher DxOMark scores. Nothing else signifies.

As for your final question about what to do with your Canon lenses and far superior Nikon camera, I believe that issue was solved in a previous discussion on this forum: attach them with gaffer tape.

 

[mrzero]

My suspicion is, if an EVF is going to show up anywhere it will be on an upper-level version of the EOS M3. Instead of asking for the SL2 with an EVF, drum up support for an EOS M3i (although it probably won't be offered in the US).

The M3 already accepts the Optional Electronic Viewfinder EVF-DC1 that was introduced with the G1X II.

http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/product_finder/cameras/digital_slr/eos_m3/specifications.aspx

 

[ashmadux]

Better focusing than the 6d. Nice

Better points = more options to grab focus but is the mechanism that grabs focus through the points actually better? My 6D focuses very well and so does my SL1

I must admit that I cannot wait until I have a camera with more than 9 points

excuse my terminology (mechanism), I know it is not a mechanical thing but was at loss for correct term..

Anything is better than the 6ds craptastic focus. I just bought a 5d3 to replace mine, and it makes me even more sad for thebol 6d. I just wish the 5d3 had the incredible iso the 6d has.

However be careful ...that 19pt focus system that had tons of issues on the old 7d, is the same af unit thats the new standard across the consumer lines. Same on with center point issues on the 70d, no spot focus, etc.

Damn lazy canon...just shifting old parts around, sans fixes. I love my lenses but the bodies make me want to play soccer with them sometimes