Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]
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Woody said:briansquibb said:
I agree with everything you say. But stevenrrmanir insisted the 450D has 10x poorer image quality than 40D, and that is simply not true.
+1 - the 450D has pretty impressive IQ and is definitely not a generation behind the 40D (or whatever 10x poorer means)...
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I use a T3i for both wildlife stills and video.
If the T4i 9 point auto focus is anything close the 7D, the moire and aliasing in video gone like the 5d3 and it has resonable tracking focus with touch screen selectable points like many of the camcorders it will be an incredible upgrade in the sub $1000 price point.
With the 3x crop zoom in video mode, the T3i is one of the best wildlife cameras ever made. A 70-200mm becomes a 960mm. A 600mm becomes a 2880mm. There's never been anything like it. Anyone who says the IQ is not very good with the 3x zoom has never used it with a high end lens.
The only cam that even comes close is the panny GH2 and it falls down in so many other ways, particularly stills and highlight rendition, that it's not in the same league as an all arounder.
Really looking forward to seeing how this one comes out!
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Pete
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If the T4i 9 point auto focus is anything close the 7D, the moire and aliasing in video gone like the 5d3 and it has resonable tracking focus with touch screen selectable points like many of the camcorders it will be an incredible upgrade in the sub $1000 price point.
With the 3x crop zoom in video mode, the T3i is one of the best wildlife cameras ever made. A 70-200mm becomes a 960mm. A 600mm becomes a 2880mm. There's never been anything like it. Anyone who says the IQ is not very good with the 3x zoom has never used it with a high end lens.
The only cam that even comes close is the panny GH2 and it falls down in so many other ways, particularly stills and highlight rendition, that it's not in the same league as an all arounder.
Really looking forward to seeing how this one comes out!
Cheers,
Pete
http://vimeo.com/user3461281
http://www.youtube.com/user/c3hammer
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rubidium said:
Considering Canon's track of late, I'm sure it would ship by July, just not this year...
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Ellen Schmidtee said:
On the other hand, except for the touchscreen it's no milestone, but just an upgraded 600d with a faster cpu which enables video af. So except for the touchscreen, Canon should have no problem actually shipping it. And the touchscreen rumors were around for ~2 years, so ample time for Canon to get it working.
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As a rebel t2i user - I can say that contrary to the sarcasm in some of the posts in this thread, which imply the rebel to be no more then a "toy" I can say, that in my experience, from an IQ point of view, the 18mp "group" t2i, 7d, 60d, t3i - all produce the same jpg's - you would really need to nit pick to find a difference.
Sure the more advanced bodies have many advantages, and the rebel series might be a "toy" as far as build, AF, durability, etc. But for an amateur like me - who shoots for pleasure - its an awesome product in an affordable package.
Sure the more advanced bodies have many advantages, and the rebel series might be a "toy" as far as build, AF, durability, etc. But for an amateur like me - who shoots for pleasure - its an awesome product in an affordable package.
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koolman said:
I don't think many people really consider it to be a toy, only maybe some very well-off amateurs that are frustrated that they aren't able to get decent pictures out of their high-end stuff. If you've got time and are on a budget, the net is full of excellent shots and videos (magic lantern!) taken on the Rebels.
The only thing that makes the xxxd bodies "toy-ish" and why I got the 60d is that switching settings takes time and is more like using a mobile phone, I have to think of the touchscreen of the 650d... but if you can work around that, there's no problem. And the xxxd are full-fledged dlsrs and way better than any other "real toy" compacts.
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JurijTurnsek said:
If you'd have to control anything, it'll be the upcoming slave-only 440rt. But at this point in time, Canon expects you to buy their radio controller or the 600rt as a master, they're not a welfare company, you know
... and putting it inside a xxxd body would raise to cost too much. Apart from the fact that it might be tricky to get radio controller inside the body at all, that is - the infrared controller is basically a free gimmick on top of the built-in flash.
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New on this forum and really enjoy all comments on most of the rumours. I just have to say that I'm looking forward to this body. I have kept my two favourite lenses (24 - 70 2.8L, and 16-35 2.8L) since I sold my 50d a couple of eyers ago, and focused on other stuff. But now I feel it's time to get back to photography. And, of course, there is a bunch of 5d mkII on the second hand market now, but I have to remind myself that I'm a amateur photographer, and a 650d would be just enough for my needs.
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zaphod said:
Coming from the 50d, even as an somehow advanced amateur (so am I atm) maybe you'll find that the xxxd bodies lack the ability to quickly change settings, so you might still be better off with a 60d which has dropped in price quite a lot since it was introduced. And I hope your f2.8 lenses don't need af micro adjustment, because the xxxd and 60d don't have it...
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Marsu42 said:
Yes, that's a good point. For what I know the lenses don't need micro adjustment, I think I did some tests back in 2008. And a deal breaker for me is almost always the small size of the xxxD bodies. But I thought this was the right place to be talked into what i "really" need.
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zaphod said:But I thought this was the right place to be talked into what i "really" need.
Well, you're coming from a rather good body (50d) so your main decision will be if you can live with a (temporal) downgrade to make up your mind if you'll get into photography again. Getting an ok body like 60d and up shouldn't cost you much because you can sell it later on if you decide so. You lenses actually want to be used on a full frame body (5d) because they are known to have not so great image quality on crop bodies, and esp. your wide-angle lens is wasted on crop because it isn't wide anymore and there are cheaper and better ef-s lenses.
But the usability of the xxxd line is really made only to appeal to people who never used anything but, personally I'd have a nervous breakdown and a cramp in the hand after using the small rebels for some time. And the viewfinder and such is even worse than the other Canon crop bodies so it's no fun either :-o
But if you really want more detailed advice, maybe start another topic and tell us more about what you're going to shoot etc.
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I have a dilemma.
I own the original 300D Rebel and would like to upgrade before my big Hawaii trip come July 10th.
Been thinking about getting a T3i but I'd really hate to buy last year's model if the T4i is coming out in the next couple of weeks.
I know it's going to cost me significantly more to get a T4i as they won't be discounted at all right at first.
I can get a new T3i body for right about $490 with that $400 off combo rebate deal they have with a printer (I'd sell the printer on eBay) and I figure a T4i body only is probably going to be around $750.
I' still go for a T4i if I have time but I wish I knew if it were going be in time right now.
I own the original 300D Rebel and would like to upgrade before my big Hawaii trip come July 10th.
Been thinking about getting a T3i but I'd really hate to buy last year's model if the T4i is coming out in the next couple of weeks.
I know it's going to cost me significantly more to get a T4i as they won't be discounted at all right at first.
I can get a new T3i body for right about $490 with that $400 off combo rebate deal they have with a printer (I'd sell the printer on eBay) and I figure a T4i body only is probably going to be around $750.
I' still go for a T4i if I have time but I wish I knew if it were going be in time right now.
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