Canon Officially Announces the EOS 6D Mark II

[HarryFilm]

How long until MagicLantern makes it shoot 4k?

I think I can answer that for you....how about two weeks
after I get the camera we've pre-ordered in order to get
4K video at 50 fps/60 fps using a custom Motion Wavelet
video codec using 32-bit fixed point math (i.e. 16-bits for
the integer portion and 16-bits for the fractional portion)
to prevent overheating of the 6D mk 2's Digic-7 processor.

Using integers to represent real numbers is an old 1980's
era programming trick which SPEEDS processing over the
Floating Point math unit used in the ARM-based Digic-7
processor used in the Canon 6d mk 2 camera.

Since not as many operations are used to do the arithmetic,
it prevents camera overheating.

 

[ricky_005]

I'll pass, better options from other manufactures.....

 

[Billybob]

...the D5 is Nikon's flagshp PJ and action camera and as such isn't designed for great DR. For this camera's users, speed matters far more than DR and resolution.

Well, you've swallowed DPR's rationale excuse hook, line and sinker. But since you brought up 'target market', do you believe that the 6DII is targeted primarily at those seeking the absolute best IQ? Given that they've kitted it with a variable aperture non-L zoom, it seems Canon disagrees. Oh well, there are lots of forum dwellers who think they know more than Canon about building and selling ILCs.

A straw man argument I wasn't opining about Canon's product-differentiation strategy. Rather, my post was about relative DR between Canon and Nikon cameras and how misleading it is to compare the 80D to Nikon's 26th ranked camera in terms of DR to try to show that the 80D is competitive in DR. No it ain't. In fact the 80D at 23 on the list of Nikon and Canon bodies, is 21 spots behind the best APS-C camera--the D7200--for DR.

In short, the point I was addressing was the implicit claim that if the 6DMII's DR was the same as the 80D, that would not be such a bad thing. Well, it certainly wouldn't be good. It's only okay if you're fine with mediocrity.

But instead of addressing my argument--I know, it's tough to deal with facts--you try to obfuscate the problem by talking about market segmentation and Canon's strategic sophistication.

Do you really think that forum readers are so stupid that they can't see through your clumsy attempts to change the subject?

More importantly, it puts the 80D 2.5 stops behind the SOTA D810's industry leading 14.8 stops of DR according to DXO.

Do you believe that the D810 can capture 14.8-stops of DR? Well, lots of people swallow that BS hook, line and sinker, too.

A lot of people, myself included, question DXO's scale. However, whether or not the number is valid, the D810's DR is truly industry leading. I have been consistently amazed at how pliable my D810 RAW files are and how little flexibility I have working with my Canon RAW files. Now, I don't manipulate DR on every shot. Most shots I take with Canon equipment are excellent. But when I want to work with a file, I'm glad when that shot was produced by a D810.

That comes from personal experience. Have you worked with Nikon bodies enough to make your "BS" claim about their DR from personal experience or are you just relying on second-hand claims?

In any case...

Fact: we have no data on the 6DII's DR, but if the 6DII doesn't meet your needs, don't buy it. I certainly have no intention of buying one.

Ah, we do agree on this point. After reading elsewhere about other features that have been crippled on the 6DMII, I plan to cancel my pre-order.

 

[Sarpedon]

And a hands-on preview video is up from Kai Wong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0crokqG2uYg

Recommend everyone on this forum watches it from 5:52 on His analogy is great. https://youtu.be/0crokqG2uYg?t=5m52s

You've made your point so effectively, that I don't even have to watch the video to understand how critically important 4K video capability is in this day and age.

There's really no need to be snide and condescending toward a perfectly innocent expression of opinion.

I mean, everyone makes mistakes, right?

 

[ricky_005]

It's disappointing to see the AF points clustered so tightly around the center; was hoping for a better spread.
It is nice to see that 27 AF points support f8, and DPAF looks amazing.

Is DPAF aperture limited? How does it do in low light? Looks like I will be making liberal use of DPAF if I get one.

I agree. The spread of the 45 af points is nearly.... pointless. Lol

It looks similar to the current 9-point spread. At least they're cross type, all near the center.

I've been using an old film EOS 1N a little bit, and even that has more horizontal reach with its five AF points. Granted, it has no vertical points, but I don't see the point of cramming so many into such a small area. It's like a step backwards, and likely very annoying to use, when manually selecting the points.

Canon's very skilled at screwing users over ..... Wait for the new Nikon and Sony gear...Will be here before you know it.

 

[CanonCams]

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/6d-mk-ii.htm

 

[Loswr]

There's really no need to be snide and condescending toward a perfectly innocent expression of opinion.

I mean, everyone makes mistakes, right?

Indeed - thanks for the correction!

If I may also say, I quite like that your screengrab has Kai pointing right at the resolution setting - well done!

 

[Loswr]

In short, the point I was addressing was the implicit claim that if the 6DMII's DR was the same as the 80D, that would not be such a bad thing. Well, it certainly wouldn't be good. It's only okay if you're fine with mediocrity.

Ahh, ok. You're a DRone. I get it, now. Low ISO DR is the be-all-end-all of image quality for you. Clearly, there's no point in pursuing a line of reasoning here.

A lot of people, myself included, question DXO's scale. However, whether or not the number is valid, the D810's DR is truly industry leading. ...
That comes from personal experience. Have you worked with Nikon bodies enough to make your "BS" claim about their DR from personal experience or are you just relying on second-hand claims?

A strawman argument of your own, well done. I didn't suggest that the D810's DR is industry leading (well, among dSLRs at any rate, personally in the lab I use imaging systems with much wider DR).

No working with Nikon is required to refute DxO's claim of 14.8 stops that has been echoed by many. Merely a knowledge of how they arrived at that number. Their Screen DR measures the EV range which the sensor is capable of recording. Their Print DR is a number derived by calculation, a theoretical reduction of the image to 8 MP. While that is useful for comparison purposes, it is incorrect to state that 14.8 stops of EV can be captured by the sensor - if you try, you'll clip highlights or block shadows, or both.

Ah, we do agree on this point. After reading elsewhere about other features that have been crippled on the 6DMII, I plan to cancel my pre-order.

Ahhh yes, the 'crippled' argument. Well, you're welcome to make your own value judgments. Canon isn't going to lose sleep over your decision not to buy one.

 

[CanonCams]

How quickly do the reviews tend to start coming out?

 

[SecureGSM]

Scyrene,
Thanks for such an elaborate reply. Just a note: it appears that you have replied to a comment by Sharlin, not me.
My position remains very simple and straight forward: 5D level body suits better my style of shooting.
The offered AF points spread in 6D II is not adequate for my projects.

here it is. very approximated, compensated for 95% OVF of 6D II ( inner grey rectangle - 6d II - viewfinder view, outer grey rectangle - same, but compensated for 95% OVF coverage, aligned with 5d IV viewfinder view, red rectangles - 6d II AF zones, blue - 5d IV AF zones, light blue little squares - 6D, original, 11 points AF system spread...) your comments, Scotty??

You failed to note that the outer points on the 5D-IV are not cross-type, so cross-type coverage is very similar. The 5D-IV does have a slight advantage in vertical spread for the central group of AF points.

This demonstrates nicely why the outer AF points aren't cross-type even in Canon's flagship AF system. They're simply too far in the periphery for reliable vertical phase information.

Noo, you misunderstand, apparently it's just silly...

Actually, let me explain: no one was expecting such a silly move with 6DII AF spread from Canon. It was almost given to expect at least a little wider AF points spread. It is so obvious, that no one even gave it a single doubt.

LOL. Amazing how all these new or fairly new CR accounts suddenly care about a feature that nobody had even mentioned in the preceding months - namely AF point spread :

They've upgraded almost every feature of this camera's predecessor, but clearly it's DOA according to these guys. There's not enough eye-roll emojis in the world.

: : :

 

[Orangutan]

I'll pass, better options from other manufactures.....

Specific examples, please.

 

[Orangutan]

There's really no need to be snide and condescending toward a perfectly innocent expression of opinion.

I mean, everyone makes mistakes, right?

Indeed - thanks for the correction!

Actually, I figured you were pointing out that low-res was adequate for u-t00b, the likely target of most DSLR video. ;D

 

[ctrl]

I´m not sure that I get it... The 4K timelapse, is it really possible to make continous [email protected] without sound?

For me that would be ok as sound can be recorded on a separate device.

 

[Ryananthony]

I´m not sure that I get it... The 4K timelapse, is it really possible to make continous [email protected] without sound?

For me that would be ok as sound can be recorded on a separate device.

No, it would shoot 8mp jpeg stills at up to 6.5 fps, then merged into a video clip. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Talys]

Well, it looks like whatever else people may like or not about 6D2, it's already an Amazon hit -

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Camera-Photo-DSLR-Cameras/zgbs/photo/3017941/ref=zg_bs_nav_p_1_p

6D2 is the #3 bestselling DSLR. There are no Nikon bodies that are over $500 on the top 20 (the $500+ kits both come with 18-55 and 70-300 lenses).

The top 10 are:

#1 T6 kit $499
#2 D3400 kit $497
#3 6D Mark II Body $1,999
#4 T5 Kit $349
#5 D3300 Kit $447
#6 5D Mark IV Body $3,299
#7 D3400 kit (2 lens) $597
#8 70D Body $799
#9 D3300 Kit (2 lens) $495
#10 80D Body $1,099
#11 6D Mark 1 Body $1,399
#12 T6 Kit $359
#13 5D Mark 3 $2,299
#14 D5500 $727
#15 D5300 $489

One thing that's pretty easy to glean from Amazon bestsellers list is that price point is critically important. I'm actually shocked that all top 20 are Canon/Nikon, and that all of the pricier bodies are Canon.

 

[Talys]

Hmm. Don't know if this is Canon Canada only, but I noticed a pre-order bonus:

http://files.kerrisdalecameras.com/6DMK2_Preorder_Gift.pdf

Order before July 31, and get a free Eos Waterproof Jacket and Kwanon Long Sleeve T-Shirt. The jacket actually looks pretty nice.

 

[-pekr-]

I have read the following comment on DPReview re DPAF:

"-2.5ev VS -4ev, and face tracking seems a little bit laggier than 5d4 according to the DPR hands-on video."

Now if true, is there any technical reason, while DPAF should be less performant/sensitive, when it does not use PDAF sensor from 80D, but the chip alone, along with DIGIC, which should be faster than the one from 5DIV?

 

[Deepboy]

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/6d-mk-ii.htm

It does say that 6DII has "Prontor-Compur (PC) sync terminal" and that the X-Synch speed is "not specified"...i think poor old Ken is not up to date

 

[Aglet]

No camera is gong to have a big boost in sensor quality over the 6D. Sensor technology has pretty much stalled in the last 5 years and it is all about compromises.

I shoot the A7RII. Yes, it *does* have a big boost in sensor quality over anything Canon. Sorry dude, but I shoot both systems. No speculation here.

I know 2 pro photogs who have convinced themselves their next body is a FF Sony ML a7-something unless the 6d2 IQs like a 5d4 or better.
With the Sony they can continue to use the Canon glass they're comfortable with and have invested in while greatly improving overall IQ ability over Canon FF.

I'm sofa-king happy I made the move (to Anything But Canon) years ago.
I really don't know why people have such an irrational emotional attachment to the current under-performing overlords of imaging when the whole litter of underdogs outperforms them by a considerable margin.
If you need better raw files, ABC cameras provide that.
Canon still does make good-enough, fun-to-use, overpriced, optical toys tho.

 

[Aglet]

Reposting this now that the camera has been officially announced:

I think I am the ideal target for this camera. I started out with an SL1 and learned the ropes of DSLR's with that camera. I now am ready to upgrade to a FF camera. To me, 4K video would've been nice, but I don't really care too much. I care about fantastic pictures, and the 4K timelapse feature sounds like a lot of fun to me!

I was hoping some experts here could help me out deciding between this 6D II and the Pentax K-1. I travel a lot, and love getting great travel shots, landscapes, and I am dying to do astrophotography. Those are my main uses. What are the opinions here on the pros and cons of these 2 budget-friendly (sorta?) cameras for me?

If you are thinking of astrophotograpy, (things like Milky Way shots), The three important things are tripod, low noise camera body, and fast lens.

With your tripod, you want STURDY! You can attach weights to the tripod (camera bag, etc) to make it more stable, and if you want to go crazy enough, you can even get a tracking head for it so that you can do longer exposures without stars turning into lines.....

For a low noise camera, realistically, you want a FF camera because it gathers 2 1/2 times more light than a crop camera. It does not matter much what the brand is, the most recent cameras are all similar....

For a lens, you want FAST. The faster the lens, the faster exposure you can get away with, or the lower ISO (less noise). There are some wide to medium angle F1.4 lenses out now that are very nice....

or you can get a sturdy tripod and put a Pentax K-1 on it and make use of the built in *** and Astro-Tracer function to take longer exposures without star trails.

GET the K-1