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stormtroopar said:
I hear this every time a new model comes out, people complain that either it does not have enough improvements, or that it has improvements that make it better than their camera.
It is always going to happen, wach model gets better, and Canon is not goinng to go back and retrofit previous models with the new features.
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The 600D may have a very slight edge on image quality (???) However, 7D has most of the feature and a metal body (for better or worst is a personal choice), 60D lack a few features from 7D and with plastic body. 600D is plastic body and with a lot convienence and feature missing from 60D. picture quality is not the only thing that determines which is a better camera.stormtroopar said:
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Neuron said:
to be frank: really really unlikely. you paid for a product when you bought it, and you got the product you expected, as advertised. there's no obligation for canon to retroactively make your previous purchase better.
yes, I know they did make some monumental firmware updates to the 5D Mark II ... but, being frank again here, that was a banner-carrying camera for them ... and the low margin, continuously updating rebel lineup doesn't command that same level of do-it-or-die respect from inside or outside the company
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kubelik said:
Quite agree. And one more reason why 5Dm2 got these interesting video upgrades. Just because it had very strong competition from D700, which many believe to be a better photographic tool that 5Dm2. Although 5Dm@ sensor has more pixels, D700 is better in low light and has an incomparably superior autofocus system. None of these features Canon couldn't make any better via soft upgrades, so they decided to get their income from HDSLR shooters. (btw I express here my personal opinion, which has not much relation to absolute truth).
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I, respectfully, disagree with the sentiment. I'm not going to go all "I'm NEVER buying Canon again, blah blah blah". If they don't update the software for T2i users that's fine, irksom, but I'll live.
I just think that Canon and the rest should follow a computer software sort of model - where minor revisions, even the addition of some features are considered minor, are free while you are expected to pay for major revisions.
At any rate, HD zoom isn't the end of the world for me, it's more of a "it's nice to know I have it if I ever need to use it" sorta thing.
I just think that Canon and the rest should follow a computer software sort of model - where minor revisions, even the addition of some features are considered minor, are free while you are expected to pay for major revisions.
At any rate, HD zoom isn't the end of the world for me, it's more of a "it's nice to know I have it if I ever need to use it" sorta thing.
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Neuron said:
that's basically the way firmware works already. minor updates are released via firmware patches to your existing cameras. you are expected to pay for major revisions (aka purchasing a new camera).
having a number of family members involved in various steps of the software development and quality control process, it's clear to me the amount to energy invested purely in trying to have everything working cleanly and efficiently for new releases, without having to go and make everything back-compatible and re-test significantly modified software across all your older platforms as well.
I'd much rather canon focus on releasing the best possible new products, with all those bugs sorted out, than expending time, money, and staff re-working major updates for older cameras. it's obvious the return on investment for canon doesn't make sense. but more importantly, the return on investment for us as consumers doesn't make sense either.
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Amazon Germany have also listed the 600D, but with no date of availability. Prices are €749 / €849 / €1049 (body only / 18-55 kit / 18-135 kit).
But they have also reduced their 60D prices to €849 / €939 / €1133 - only €100 / €90 / €84 higher than the 600D! Are they expecting sales of the bigger, heavier, 60D to drop, thinking that people are more likely to wait for the lighter, more compact 600D?
Amazon UK's prices are £679 / £769 / £949 for the 600D, a bit higher than in Germany. The 'release date' is given as 29th March.
But they have also reduced their 60D prices to €849 / €939 / €1133 - only €100 / €90 / €84 higher than the 600D! Are they expecting sales of the bigger, heavier, 60D to drop, thinking that people are more likely to wait for the lighter, more compact 600D?
Amazon UK's prices are £679 / £769 / £949 for the 600D, a bit higher than in Germany. The 'release date' is given as 29th March.
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Neuron said:
There can be a middle ground, if Cannon can follow the software company's business model. Minor up grade of firmware is free (canon has been doing it for along time). Major firmware upgrade ( e.g. addition of functionality)will be sold to customer. Just like the Phtoshop, If you have CS2 and want CS3..You need to pay for it. That will save the consumer a lot of money.
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Re: T3i vs. 60D
60D is probably better overall, but dang.... the T3i has the crop mode which is AWESOME. I seriously wish the 60D had it, so many artistic possibilities with that. The lame thing is, the crop mode is pretty much just a firmware update. All the Canons could do it, but Canon just chooses not to. Canon just keeps releasing the same Digic 4 cameras with firmware updates and maybe a flip screen, and try to market it as a new camera.
Until the 5D3 comes out.... YAWNNNN..... ZZZZZZZZZ....
60D is probably better overall, but dang.... the T3i has the crop mode which is AWESOME. I seriously wish the 60D had it, so many artistic possibilities with that. The lame thing is, the crop mode is pretty much just a firmware update. All the Canons could do it, but Canon just chooses not to. Canon just keeps releasing the same Digic 4 cameras with firmware updates and maybe a flip screen, and try to market it as a new camera.
Until the 5D3 comes out.... YAWNNNN..... ZZZZZZZZZ....
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Re: T3i vs. 60D
Sorry I'm a new Dslr user too and haven't handled both 60D and 600D. Played with them in shops but not long enough to pass any judgements. I want to get that exact camera!! But I can't find anywhere selling it at 1099 anymore. May I know where u got yours?foto said:
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Jessops (UK) have the 600D in stock (according to their website); prices are £659.95 / £749.95 / £929.95 (body / 18-55 / 18-135). In comparison, their 60D prices are £799.95 / £919.95 / £1049.95 (latter price also for 17-85 USM kit, unfortunately not offered for 600D).
The 600D has not appeared in Gemany yet, although Amazon claim shipping in 3-4 days (18-55 kit only).
The 600D has not appeared in Gemany yet, although Amazon claim shipping in 3-4 days (18-55 kit only).
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