Canon Won't Be Announcing Anything Until Q4

[Anon]

Take this forum, it has to be paid for. I have had some bad days to make sure the forum sticks around. It's a financial/resource liability. The last month has been a trainwreck of frustration. It represents 7%-11% of the total traffic to the site. An even lower percentage contribute. Maybe the forum will fall off a cliff in traffic and will be done away with, I have no idea. It was on the chopping block, but I do believe it's worth keeping around over a Disqus comment section.

This is an interesting insight, but not surprising if you think about it. If you read a bit through the forum, it becomes quite clear that most of the comments come from a handful of people. There is only so much traffic these users can generate. And as it seems it pales in comparison to other kinds of users.

So that's that, and they're working to fix some small issues with the forum, that are proving to be annoying to find.

This was surprising to read for me. I would have thought that forum software has matured a long time ago to a point where it only needs to be set up initially with whatever subforums the owner wishes to have. But it seems that there is a lot more to it than I thought.

As for Neuro, lets gift him one of these, so he can come back with a new user name

 

[koenkooi]

[...] I would have thought that forum software has matured a long time ago to a point where it only needs to be set up initially with whatever subforums the owner wishes to have. But it seems that there is a lot more to it than I thought.[..]

With the EU finally pushing things like privacy guarantees (GDPR) and forcing vendors to think about security (CRA), a lot of 'mature' software suddenly discovers that storing passwords in plain text on a public AWS bucket might not be the best idea. So forum software will never be 'done', even if the actual forum portion doesn't change.
And that doesn't even consider scaling issues with sudden growth and decline events!

 

[David the street guy]

He was knowledgeable. He also conveyed a negative tone and resorted to repeated insults or condescension that, for me dramatically reduced most of the benefits of reading his posts. His insults were so common that I would regularly show my wife when members would call him out on it.

On a forum like this one, the main advantage of being knowledgeable is the hability to transmit this knowledge to other members. Insults only close discussions and prevent the sharing of informations, and this was exactly what always happened with this member.

I had taken the habit of leaving any thread in which he had spread his hatred of his fellow man, sadly. English is not my mother tongue, and this seemed to hangry him in some strange way.

His leaving will benefit everyone.

Now, won’t anyone talk about Canon’s hints regarding the R6 iii being announced in september? ;-)

 

[becceric]

It's more of a loss for me because those people who can't accept his (or any other member's) personality can block. Just think, now you can't show your wife his posts

Well, I think my wife is relieved. She doesn't have to hear me complain. I've stated previously that I typically agreed with Neuro, I felt more civility would be preferred. See https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...happening-this-week.42091/page-12#post-953807

I never blocked his, or anyones posts because there is always new information to be learned here.
I'm still looking forward to the latest news from Harryfilm.

 

[Jethro]

I'm still looking forward to the latest news from Harryfilm.

My God, if they really did ban Neuro, Lord knows what they'll think of Harry! A poster who took the term 'rumours' very literally indeed ...

 

[Jethro]

This was surprising to read for me. I would have thought that forum software has matured a long time ago to a point where it only needs to be set up initially with whatever subforums the owner wishes to have. But it seems that there is a lot more to it than I thought.

I suspect the issues may have been in migrating 15 years worth of existing forum data / settings / formats etc into whatever new software they are using. My (limited) experience with such migrations is that it's a lengthy and ugly process.

 

[David - Sydney]

It's more of a loss for me because those people who can't accept his (or any other member's) personality can block. Just think, now you can't show your wife his posts

I never considered blocking anyone but that was always a choice of course.
Maybe I have a thicker skin or perhaps was thankful that he was prepared to challenge misinformation. Trolling was rare here for a good reason compared to other forums.
He was also prepared to back up his claims with data and also apologise if he (rarely) got it wrong.
I disagreed with him on things and we seemed to accept each other's position but having English as a first language is an advantage for sure.
I did wish that he moderated his tone though.

 

[becceric]

My God, if they really did ban Neuro, Lord knows what they'll think of Harry! A poster who took the term 'rumours' very literally indeed ...

Speaking of Harry, I keep thinking about a June post regarding Apple patenting a sensor with almost 20 stops of dynamic range. https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/apple-clains-20-stops-of-dr-in-new-sensor.44592/

That reminded my of Harry's more, er, complete rumor of Apple's forthcoming product.

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Post in thread 'Here are a couple of images of the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II'

Jul 16, 2024

Neuro I love ya man but not all of us are constantly out to get Canon. I am not second guessing them, but I am genuinely curious how Canon's marketing will position this. Big four digit numbers can be a big hurdle for consumers.

Are we looking at more of a:
- Like Sony and the A1, Canon feels they can charge more or less whatever they want because very few people are switching systems at this end. Nikon is the only one scrambling and trying to compete on price.
- (My hope) This is gonna be a pretty kickass rig and the bump will be justified. IIRC the 5D4 had the same launch...

• HarryFilm

• 

Was Harry's info based on that patent? Am I reading too much into everything, or should I just stop typing?

 

[EricN]

Was Harry's info based on that patent? Am I reading too much into everything, or should I just stop typing?

Never stop! Aim for the top! Capture the perseverance of an anime character!

 

[Quack]

I never considered blocking anyone but that was always a choice of course.
Maybe I have a thicker skin or perhaps was thankful that he was prepared to challenge misinformation. Trolling was rare here for a good reason compared to other forums.
He was also prepared to back up his claims with data and also apologise if he (rarely) got it wrong.
I disagreed with him on things and we seemed to accept each other's position but having English as a first language is an advantage for sure.
I did wish that he moderated his tone though.

In today's world, people who challenge misinformation are TOTALLY NECESSARY and should be applauded. Could his tone been more civil? Of course. But I'd rather see misinformation (and in some cases, total bullcrap) dealt with harshly than not dealt with at all. And let's face it, controversy, insults and bad behavior generate far more comments and forum traffic than mature, civil comments. Alas, if misinformation and trolling is going to go unchallenged, then this forum, like much of what is on the internet, will become a useless pile of crap.

 

[SvO2]

Targeting misinformation is good. But presenting personal opinion as fact and verbally abusing anyone who disagrees is not. IMO the guy was toxic and a major part of why this forum, which even as far as internet forums is tiny, wasn't growing.

 

[Del Paso]

Well, banning @neuro is disappointing.
He may have been acerbic and loved the word "asinine" but very insightful and knowledgeable. I learnt a lot from him over the years.
It is a loss for Canonrumors IMO :-(

And why are those "members"continuously repeating the same -expletive deleted- in praise of holy -company name deleted- not banned?
Ain't we sick of always reading "all my friends/professionals/agencies" are jumping ship and similar Canon-doom related -expletive deleted-?

 

[David - Sydney]

Targeting misinformation is good. But presenting personal opinion as fact and verbally abusing anyone who disagrees is not. IMO the guy was toxic and a major part of why this forum, which even as far as internet forums is tiny, wasn't growing.

But the point was that he didn’t present his personal opinion as fact. He would always back up his position and challenge those who did present their opinions as fact.
Semantics perhaps but still better than dpreview or PetaPixel etc. A small community for sure but with good representation of ‘pros’ and prosumers, different genres and speciality knowledge.
I guess we will find out how it goes in the future.
I didn’t think that I would be the one listing his benefits to the group overall though

 

[SvO2]

But the point was that he didn’t present his personal opinion as fact. He would always back up his position and challenge those who did present their opinions as fact.
Semantics perhaps but still better than dpreview or PetaPixel etc. A small community for sure but with good representation of ‘pros’ and prosumers, different genres and speciality knowledge.
I guess we will find out how it goes in the future.
I didn’t think that I would be the one listing his benefits to the group overall though

He always struck me as one of those pseudointellectuals who's good at presenting his opinion as if it were fact. Any challenge would often end up with him either ignoring you or ridiculing you.

 

[becceric]

Back in 2023 when I pointed out that the tone of such responses lowered the civility on the forums, this was the response I received:

"Trolls live under bridges. That’s lore. Internet trolls live in their mom’s basement. That’s a meme. @becceric, perhaps the internet is too uncivilized a place for you. Bazinga."

I feel this is an accurate example of what you witnessed. It also reminded me why I stopped watching "The Big Bang Theory" tv series after a few seasons. Sheldon Cooper became insufferable. As unimpressed now as I was then.

 

[Jethro]

He always struck me as one of those pseudointellectuals who's good at presenting his opinion as if it were fact. Any challenge would often end up with him either ignoring you or ridiculing you.

It's amazing how brave people get with these sort of criticisms now that he's gone.

Neuro could absolutely be opinionated (and uncivil) on occasions, but he was highly focused on facts, and mainly provoked when people either misrepresented those facts, or (especially) generalised their own opinions into some overall quasi-factual statement. He has a near encyclopaedic knowledge of a range of photographic theory, as well as Canon gear, and the overwhelming majority of his posts were directed towards answering questions or contributing to discussions on that theory/gear.

He's going to be missed very quickly on this forum which, can I say, is already a much less appealing place.

 

[Old Sarge]

Neuro had his faults, probably fewer than I do, but he was one of a group of people that I felt comfortable with contacting via a private message with a (stupid usually) question or asking for advice. Most of those are gone now, probably a function of time. But there are still a couple of you left...you just don't know who you are. And as I age I seem to have fewer questions...or perhaps I just can't remember them long enough to ask them.

 

[Quack]

He always struck me as one of those pseudointellectuals who's good at presenting his opinion as if it were fact. Any challenge would often end up with him either ignoring you or ridiculing you.

If you thought he presented his opinions as facts, well, you are just wrong. What he did was point out when others (so many others) presented their opinions as facts. Sad that you can't tell the difference and exactly why - despite his faults - he was a valuable member of this forum.

 

[MikeGalos]

If you thought he presented his opinions as facts, well, you are just wrong.

What he did instead was declare that since Canon was doing well financially, that was proof that whatever they did was right.

 

[Quack]

What he did instead was declare that since Canon was doing well financially, that was proof that whatever they did was right.

Wonderfully simplified to prove your point, and not accurate. He never to my knowledge, said that whatever Canon did was right. What he did do, was respond in that manner to all the folks who said things like, "Canon has to do this, to compete with Sony" or "If canon doesn't fix this, they will lose market share to Nikon," or any similar type statement demanding Canon change something or add something, or face dire consequences.
Whether you thought Neuro was rude, or annoying, or just plain awful, he did not tolerate trolls, folks who ignored facts, or made declarations about what Canon must do, on behalf of everybody. If folks making those kinds of statements don't bother you, fine, that's your choice. Some of us were quite glad the trolls, liars and intentionally biased were stood up to.