Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
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neuroanatomist said:
As I am fond of saying, it is a camera system, not just a sensor. For my needs and preferences, I greatly prefer the ergonomics of the non-rebel canons. Four thirds and micro four thirds have nothing that compares to Canon Lglass, particularly when you get past 200mm..... For birds and wild animals there is nothing that compares to long glass, with canon I can dream of a 600 f4, not so with the others. A 60D and a 400 5.6 beats anything micro four thirds can offer to me.... A 5Diii and a 600f4 would be nirvana (nerdvana?)
Right now the sensor is the weak part of the chain, but even so the system beats the competition for my needs.
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TrumpetPower! said:
What you have heard and read is absolutely correct. The 5D3 puts the 7D to shame ... 1.6 crop factor notwithstanding!
TrumpetPower! said:
I'm one of these people ... I ditched the 7D because the 7D was only gathering dust ever since I got the 5DIII. I used the funds I got from the sale of the 7D to get a 6D instead (as a second FF body) - I click half my pics when I travel for "work" and where I go to there is sufficient dust to clog up most vacuum cleaners ... leave alone a little camera sensor, so changing lenses in the field is next to impossible.
TrumpetPower! said:
I hope so but doubt that ... Canon has been screwing up the latest offerings to the extent of crippling them "substantially" (the 6D is a case is point - only 11 AF points, less than even the 7D). Some important cog in the wheel will, surely, be missing!
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xps said:In another forum they suppose >2500$ for the MK 2.I hope they will be wrong with this rumor
I have a hard time believing that. The 7D was $1,700 when introduced. History of the XXD series was that the new models come out near the introductory price of the previous model. At $2,500, that would be too close to what the 5DIII will be at the same time. I can't imagine what whiz-bang features would prompt me to buy a crop camera that is roughly the same price as a 5DIII. If Canon wants to squeeze money out of a top-of-the-line APS-C camera, my uneducated guess is that it would come in slightly under $2k. I would put the Vegas over/under at $1,899.
Dave
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20Dave said:xps said:In another forum they suppose >2500$ for the MK 2.
I have a hard time believing that. The 7D was $1,700 when introduced. History of the XXD series was that the new models come out near the introductory price of the previous model. At $2,500, that would be too close to what the 5DIII will be at the same time. I can't imagine what whiz-bang features would prompt me to buy a crop camera that is roughly the same price as a 5DIII. If Canon wants to squeeze money out of a top-of-the-line APS-C camera, my uneducated guess is that it would come in slightly under $2k. I would put the Vegas over/under at $1,899.
Dave
I hope you will be right.
But there several persons think that the fast AF and fst fps are more worth then 2000€
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Guess I'll be spending most of my cash on trips around the globe using my "outdated" kit but still taking great shots... (that's the camera, not me ;D)
It will be interesting if a 7D MK II has better sensor tech and how that will sit with the 5D / 1Dx - that's a balancing game for Canon. In that respect, I think Nikon have had an advantage being able to implement it across most of their range. Canon has a more tricky introduction. They could bring in something more expensive than a 1Dx (High MP) with better sensor tech without too many issues as it will not have the same high frame rate.
That gives them another challenge with the 7D II - if it matches the AF of the 5D III and has better sensor tech, then will they "hold back" to ensure it does not offer a compelling alternative to the 5D / 1Dx, or will they follow Nikon and accept cannibalism across their ranges? I guess they might, but balance it by pricing it above the 5D III and below the 1Dx with a higher MP body to redress the "balance" in the Pro range...
I'm guessing a 7D II in the autumn above the 5D III and a High MP announced at CP+ 2014
It will be interesting if a 7D MK II has better sensor tech and how that will sit with the 5D / 1Dx - that's a balancing game for Canon. In that respect, I think Nikon have had an advantage being able to implement it across most of their range. Canon has a more tricky introduction. They could bring in something more expensive than a 1Dx (High MP) with better sensor tech without too many issues as it will not have the same high frame rate.
That gives them another challenge with the 7D II - if it matches the AF of the 5D III and has better sensor tech, then will they "hold back" to ensure it does not offer a compelling alternative to the 5D / 1Dx, or will they follow Nikon and accept cannibalism across their ranges? I guess they might, but balance it by pricing it above the 5D III and below the 1Dx with a higher MP body to redress the "balance" in the Pro range...
I'm guessing a 7D II in the autumn above the 5D III and a High MP announced at CP+ 2014
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20Dave said:xps said:In another forum they suppose >2500$ for the MK 2.
I have a hard time believing that. The 7D was $1,700 when introduced. History of the XXD series was that the new models come out near the introductory price of the previous model. At $2,500, that would be too close to what the 5DIII will be at the same time. I can't imagine what whiz-bang features would prompt me to buy a crop camera that is roughly the same price as a 5DIII. If Canon wants to squeeze money out of a top-of-the-line APS-C camera, my uneducated guess is that it would come in slightly under $2k. I would put the Vegas over/under at $1,899.
Dave
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I don't see how many people people will be queuing up for the 7DII if it were even close to the 5D3.
It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.
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1200D, 18mp + Digic 5 = same image quality as 650D maybe wifi for a bit of bling would I think be rather good to great for the base level DSLR offering.
As for AF points who knows what is going through their heads with that one but I’d guess 11 with one cross type. It should be 11 cross but they have screwed up so much higher up the food chain there’s no chance of that.
Whilst they lag behind on sensors they should be really pushing those other differentiators in a system like ergonomics and AF performance and yet these are the things they cripple or are at best inconsistent with in the upgrade paths
As for AF points who knows what is going through their heads with that one but I’d guess 11 with one cross type. It should be 11 cross but they have screwed up so much higher up the food chain there’s no chance of that.
Whilst they lag behind on sensors they should be really pushing those other differentiators in a system like ergonomics and AF performance and yet these are the things they cripple or are at best inconsistent with in the upgrade paths
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With the APS-H seemingly being dead as far as rumors are concerned, there is a void for those who want excellent IQ and the range given by crop sensors. I am betting the 7D II will kick some serious ass, the price notwithstanding.
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So glad to hear about this great new source!
I'm off to find some Japanese tourists with cameras! I'm guessing the ones carrying high end equipment have the best intel?
Will report back on my findings!
So glad to hear about this great new source!
I'm off to find some Japanese tourists with cameras! I'm guessing the ones carrying high end equipment have the best intel?
Will report back on my findings!
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J.R. said:
Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.
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pedro said:candyman said:
What would be the improvement in a new 50 f/1.4 have over the old one?
As an amateur the current lens works pretty well for me. Took a picture just yesterday. Very low light. Only source was a flatscreen. No NR applied.
Z96A3292bNoNRBWcropDEFKLEIN by Peter Hauri, on Flickr
Cool shot, but what is that in the foreground! Looks like a cabbage!
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