"Cello" Short Film Shot With the Canon EOS 7D Mark II

[pwp]

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I would use a Camranger or a DSLR controller along with a tablet if dual pixes is introduced on the next full frame. That screen is still too small, and touching the camera may introduce additional shake (unless you don't care).
This is why I am not screaming about the lack of touch screen and swivel. I wouldn't use them if I had them; just like pop-up flash.

Yep, Camrangers are a great shooting companion for just about any sort of project. Every home should have one!

I felt much the same as you about small touchscreens until I started shooting with the Panasonic GH4. This camera completely changed my viewpoint on touch screens. When it's as well implemented as the GH4 screen, you'd never ever go back.

Much of the time I shoot the GH4 on a rig with a lightweight HDMI external 7 inch monitor. I'm watching the external monitor while making changes on the touchscreen. When you're on a tripod, with a subtle touch, the touchscreen is sensitive enough to not introduce shake. Mostly I use the touch screen between shots to make quick adjustments.

-pw

 

[Mitch.Conner]

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I wish they had the lens info like in this video on other sample videos, like the ones for the 5D3. I seem more interested in their choice of lenses than anything else for whatever reason.

 

[Besisika]

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I would use a Camranger or a DSLR controller along with a tablet if dual pixes is introduced on the next full frame. That screen is still too small, and touching the camera may introduce additional shake (unless you don't care).
This is why I am not screaming about the lack of touch screen and swivel. I wouldn't use them if I had them; just like pop-up flash.

Much of the time I shoot the GH4 on a rig with a lightweight HDMI external 7 inch monitor. I'm watching the external monitor while making changes on the touchscreen. When you're on a tripod, with a subtle touch, the touchscreen is sensitive enough to not introduce shake. Mostly I use the touch screen between shots to make quick adjustments.

-pw

Good to know, thanks for sharing.
I don't use a rig, I use tripod with 5D MK iii and a monopod with 1DX. But if I decide to use a rig someday, I will try your method, rig and glidecam are ok to have (or even meant to) some shakiness.
For now, I still don't see the need for them on a 7D. In my mind, this is an APSC photo-oriented work-horse and video is far from its priority. It should focus on sport and wildlife shooters. Within the last 2 years I droped my 1DX 5 times when shooting sports, once on a hockey ice and in my mind 7D is the APSC-version of 1DX. Should be tough as a tank - no need for any swiving thing.
When they introduce the dual pixel on a full frame (6D or 5D), I see a clear use for the guy on a tripod, but most of the time still with a Camranger-type of device.
Nevertheless, I wouldn't mind having a touch screen for lightweight travel, especially that you put it that way. I admit, I use an HDMI monitor before but have never tried a touchscreen-based DSLR with it.
Again, thanks for sharing the idea.

 

[CaptainZero]

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I don't understand why so many people are fixed on touch screen, and swivel screen. Personally, I don't want either. I use buttons while looking through the viewfinder, and have only had terrible experiances when trying to view any screen with bright sunlight.

I think most videographers use something similar to this, so they can see the screen. Flip wouldn't matter, and neither would touch.

Of course, I could be wrong 8)

 

[JoeDavid]

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I think one of the other posts eluded to the fact that this is not a new video. It was on some of the other Canon sites from day 1. The sad thing is that Canon USA is so screwed up that they just got around to posting it.

 

[notsosem]

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http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/standard_display/eos_7dmkii_feature_gallery

Just putting this out there. Go to the middle part of the page, you should be able to find how they actually use the new features. The video is titled "Making of the Cello" so I don't know who really screwed up the spelling.

 

[Tabor Warren Photography]

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Am I the only one who tilted their head and thought that this was an odd little video?

Well executed though.

Cheers!
-Tabor

 

[leGreve]

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Funny how the review brings out the "soft focus transition" because the 7D now has a build in focus pull...... something that Magic Lantern made available quite some time ago. I wonder if Canon bought some of the ideas.....

 

[Khnnielsen]

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I don't understand why so many people are fixed on touch screen, and swivel screen. Personally, I don't want either. I use buttons while looking through the viewfinder, and have only had terrible experiances when trying to view any screen with bright sunlight.

I think most videographers use something similar to this, so they can see the screen. Flip wouldn't matter, and neither would touch.

Of course, I could be wrong 8)

First of all the obvious - there is few or very little video cameras out there with a fixed screen. It takes away a ton of flexibility, that your face have to be level with the camera to see any thing. Also - when you are doing handheld shots, your compositions can get pretty stale and boring, if you can only shoot from shoulder height.

But of course all this doesn't matter if you buy an seperate EVF.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

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I don't understand why so many people are fixed on touch screen, and swivel screen. Personally, I don't want either. I use buttons while looking through the viewfinder, and have only had terrible experiances when trying to view any screen with bright sunlight.

I think most videographers use something similar to this, so they can see the screen. Flip wouldn't matter, and neither would touch.

Of course, I could be wrong 8)

First of all the obvious - there is few or very little video cameras out there with a fixed screen. It takes away a ton of flexibility, that you face have to be level with the camera to see any thing. Also - when you are doing handheld shots, your compositions can get pretty stale and boring, if you can only shoot from shoulder height.

But of course all this doesn't matter if you buy an seperate EVF.

A part of me thinks that Canon hasn't put touch screens, or even swivel/tilt/flip screens on their higher end gear because they don't want to do so this early in an effort to keep us paying for tiny improvements.

Another part of me thinks though that maybe they really do have a totally legit reason, like durability or weather sealing, or something.

 

[mustafa]

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Is that cello full-frame or crop-sensor?

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

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The image is somehow identical to the 5D mk III, it feels like they actually spent some time making it so identical for the 7D to be a mk III B camera. Even almost similar low-light performance (in video mode).

It's a good image and many great filmmakers are using the 5D, but there are better video images out there, mainly Nikon's D5300, D750. The sony A7s is sharper but exhibits unusable colour clipping issue and weird colours, plus that rolling shutter issue, and the Gh4. Is sharper but has a smaller-sensor aesthetic and markedly worse lowlight performance. The 7D mk II is a good video competetor. No headline-grabbing features but complete and no weird issues.

 

[RobD]

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Deeply unimpressed. While the low light performance is obviously great, there's no improvement in detail in the daylight scenes, it's still got the same soft DSLR look we've seen from Canon since 2008. Yes, it's fine if you're still using a 5D3 and you want a second cam, but it brings nothing new to the party. I can't see anyone buying this camera just for video, like they did with previous models. None of this is really surprising of course. We'll see if the 5d4 pulls its weight, if not many of us video guys will be moving on. Shame.

 

[Tugela]

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The ability to customize focus speed is a nice feature, which they have crippled by not having a touch screen. Or swivel screen for that matter.

It is irrelevant anyway. The 7D2 is obviously designed as a pure stills camera with some video tools tossed in as an afterthought. If someone wanted a real hybrid camera they would look elsewhere. The 7D2 is not up to the task for that.

 

[Tugela]

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Is the lack of a touchscreen an opportunity to sell an aftermarket touchscreen monitor for videographers? Would the USB port provide an interface to allow this?

As someone who has ordered a 7D mkII and who will probably not use video much (if at all) I'm happy not to pay extra for the touch screen and software to be built into my camera.

Can't wait to get my hands on the camera!

Scott.

I would use a camranger or a DSLR controller along with a tablet if dual pixes is introduced on the next full frame. That screen is still too small, and touching the camera may introduce additional shake (unless you don't care).
This is why I am not screaming about the lack of touch screen and swivel. I wouldn't use them if I had them; just like pop-up flash.
Others need them, I understand.
I just assume that there must be reasons why they didn't put it. Maybe extra cost + additional software indeed are two of the reasons.

No, the real reason is cluelessness

 

[Tugela]

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Is the lack of a touchscreen an opportunity to sell an aftermarket touchscreen monitor for videographers? Would the USB port provide an interface to allow this?

As someone who has ordered a 7D mkII and who will probably not use video much (if at all) I'm happy not to pay extra for the touch screen and software to be built into my camera.

Can't wait to get my hands on the camera!

Scott.

I would use a camranger or a DSLR controller along with a tablet if dual pixes is introduced on the next full frame. That screen is still too small, and touching the camera may introduce additional shake (unless you don't care).
This is why I am not screaming about the lack of touch screen and swivel. I wouldn't use them if I had them; just like pop-up flash.
Others need them, I understand.
I just assume that there must be reasons why they didn't put it. Maybe extra cost + additional software indeed are two of the reasons.

Most camcorders, which are dedicated to video, have touch screens. There is a reason for this.

As for shake, you have to be able to have some way to change focus points dynamically, a touch screen is by far the most secure way to do it. Without one you are left with pushing buttons and hoping to get lucky, or physically moving the camera, neither of which is remotely satisfactory.

 

[Tugela]

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I don't understand why so many people are fixed on touch screen, and swivel screen. Personally, I don't want either. I use buttons while looking through the viewfinder, and have only had terrible experiances when trying to view any screen with bright sunlight.

I think most videographers use something similar to this, so they can see the screen. Flip wouldn't matter, and neither would touch.

Of course, I could be wrong 8)

First of all the obvious - there is few or very little video cameras out there with a fixed screen. It takes away a ton of flexibility, that you face have to be level with the camera to see any thing. Also - when you are doing handheld shots, your compositions can get pretty stale and boring, if you can only shoot from shoulder height.

But of course all this doesn't matter if you buy an seperate EVF.

A part of me thinks that Canon hasn't put touch screens, or even swivel/tilt/flip screens on their higher end gear because they don't want to do so this early in an effort to keep us paying for tiny improvements.

Another part of me thinks though that maybe they really do have a totally legit reason, like durability or weather sealing, or something.

No, the reason is because they don't care about video on these cameras. The video function that is included is just a bone tossed to users. It is not as though they can't do these things, after all, all of these video orientated tools are included on their camcorders so it is not as though they don't know how, they just don't want to at all for some bizarre reason.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

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Then why make a video quality demo trying to draw attention to it's cinematic capabilities?

 

[cosmopotter]

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I don't understand why so many people are fixed on touch screen, and swivel screen. Personally, I don't want either. I use buttons while looking through the viewfinder, and have only had terrible experiances when trying to view any screen with bright sunlight.

I think most videographers use something similar to this, so they can see the screen. Flip wouldn't matter, and neither would touch.

Of course, I could be wrong 8)

First of all the obvious - there is few or very little video cameras out there with a fixed screen. It takes away a ton of flexibility, that you face have to be level with the camera to see any thing. Also - when you are doing handheld shots, your compositions can get pretty stale and boring, if you can only shoot from shoulder height.

But of course all this doesn't matter if you buy an seperate EVF.

A part of me thinks that Canon hasn't put touch screens, or even swivel/tilt/flip screens on their higher end gear because they don't want to do so this early in an effort to keep us paying for tiny improvements.

Another part of me thinks though that maybe they really do have a totally legit reason, like durability or weather sealing, or something.

No, the reason is because they don't care about video on these cameras. The video function that is included is just a bone tossed to users. It is not as though they can't do these things, after all, all of these video orientated tools are included on their camcorders so it is not as though they don't know how, they just don't want to at all for some bizarre reason.

Personally, I'm not obsessed with the touch/swivel screen but I DO like it. If I had the option with or without it, I would choose WITH having owned a 70D. Low angle and high angle shooting are easier for both stills and video. The touch function for focusing video is excellent and it also makes choosing options in the menu a breeze. One other overlooked advantage is that you can close it to protect the screen in your bag or while it's out AND it cuts down on battery usage if it isn't constantly turned on.

 

[Tugela]

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Then why make a video quality demo trying to draw attention to it's cinematic capabilities?

So they can pretend it is a hybrid camera to lure in the gullible. They made similar videos with other still cameras as well. It is not like they are going to say "if you want to shoot video, buy a Sony or Panasonic", they have to do something to pay lip service to that market and hope the people who buy cameras are ignorant about such things (which is probably true 95% of the time).

Smoke + mirrors = sales